Socializing A silly trick I recently learned can't believe never did before and what not to do before going out..

[Skills]

This is more for night game but i assume you can do the same for other games...I make it a habit to always go out on Fridays( and a lot of times Saturdays too), but sometimes i go out post running errands, work, gym.... One time i was exhausted and half asleep, and took a coffee pill.... Never did again, then recently talking to @Dreamer he takes caffeine before going clubbing.... I started doing this and it does make a big difference this are my findings:

- when you get to the club you are not half asleep.
-it does not take a lot of time to warm up
- the whole night you are more energetic
-it will kill your hunger so you won't binge eat after clubbing (helps to keep you in shape)

the downsides:
-it is harder time falling asleep , so i take melatonin and alexa sleep sounds (i like fountain).... I also wear a night mask cause in my new crib i have sky view...

-and if not careful will make you number 2 (some make sure you take care of this at home)

^ Also i thought i was cleaver eating a high protein meal before clubbing from chiplote so i don't have to get super hungry post clubbing and eat as a way too keep in shape, the problem with this is that you are a walking club fart machine, and your stomach is extremely annoying you feel like you have a dildo up your ass.... My point is don't eat heavy pre going out...

and finally don't masturbate or have sex pre going out at all, this will totally kill your motivation.... Yeah it could be attractive cause the no need to happen is attractive, but it kills your motivation to open and kills your killer seduction instinct...

I have other tips pre going out i am not going to cover cause i already did here, if interested.... Anyways this is the caffeine pill i take.... Anyways field test....

 

[Rakehell]

https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/caffeine-and-erectile-dysfunction.25719/

Helps with ED also

 

[POB]

-and if not careful will make you number 2 (some make sure you take care of this at home)

For me it's impossible to drink coffee and not take a dump 5s afterwards lol.

Caffeine works differently depending on your individual receptors.
Some people are too sensitive, and even have headaches after half a cup.
Others can shug a galon per day and sleep like a baby.

Also worth noting the crash you can feel afterwards.
This is why I only drink coffee before working out.
This way I get the burst in energy+thermogenic effect without any post-wo crash.
About night time, I would say it's better if you drink it 20-30 minutes before arriving at the venue and after a light meal.

(side note: most pre-workout formulas are garbage. Basically a cup of coffee is all the pre-workout you'll ever need. Green tea not advisible because of L-teanin, which is a natural serotonin and dopamin booster - and you don't want those things high before lifting weights, you want them high afterwards).

 

[Teevster]

Problem I have with caffeine pills is that, sure it wakes you up, but then eventually you CRASH. It is not sustainable. This is why I have recommended people drink TEA with high concentrations of L-Theanine and Caffeine (Gyokuro - get a good one, which you can buy here). L-Theanine balances the caffeine (and makes it more sustainable over time - kind of like a "relaxed" alertness) and adds other benefits.

Gyokuro, althoug far from being my favourite tea (I moved to other teas for taste reasons), is still the go-to to many puas, including @Glow and many others.

If you just need a wake up, you can always take some red ginseng (panax ginseng).

L-tyrosine (1g) combined with B-vitamins also give a boost. It increases dopamine level.
So does Catuaba (also in capsule form).

And L-tryptophan is superior to melatonin post field, as it refills your brain with endorphins and create natural melatonin (endorphins are a precursor to melatonin)

Edit: High quality matcha (needs to be ceremonial grade from UJI) also does the trick, actually works very well.
Edit 2: I know I am younger than you and have more energy and endurance, but I can manage up to 12+ hours in field, so I think my stack is superior
Edit 3: @Pelusita drinks a crazy strong Yerba Mate before heading out. I can attest that its concentration of caffeine, antioxidents and theobromine (also found in tea btw) really helps with state. When I visit him, we binge that shit.

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

^ Also i thought i was cleaver eating a high protein meal before clubbing from chiplote so i don't have to get super hungry post clubbing and eat as a way too keep in shape, the problem with this is that you are a walking club fart machine, and your stomach is extremely annoying you feel like you have a dildo up your ass.... My point is don't eat heavy pre going out...

Hahaha. You sure the problem is not.... that you ate at Chipotle. That's like fart-food. Whenever I eat a burrito, I poison down the whole club. Go for a poke bowl man that's STATE food.

-Teevster

 

[POB]

Problem I have with caffeine pills is that, sure it wakes you up, but then eventually you CRASH. It is not sustainable.

Yeah, my experience with caffeine at night is that I have to keep putting down cans of red bull every hour, non-stop, or else I crash.
And of course my sleep goes out the window.

L-tryptophan is superior to melatonin

100% correct, tryptophan makes you sleep like a baby. It's also very cheap.

 

[Skills]

I have no experience the crash with the pill i take and linked on the contrary can not go to sleep when i get home, have to take melatonin....

 

[Teevster]

I have no experience the crash with the pill i take and linked on the contrary can not go to sleep when i get home, have to take melatonin....

How long are you actually in field? My nights may start at 12-1 am and end at noon at worst.

If it is just a good old 11 to 3 night, then maybe those caffeine pill can do the trick. I need more efficient stuff.

-Teevster

 

[Skills]

Problem I have with caffeine pills is that, sure it wakes you up, but then eventually you CRASH. It is not sustainable. This is why I have recommended people drink TEA with high concentrations of L-Theanine and Caffeine (Gyokuro - get a good one, which you can buy here). L-Theanine balances the caffeine (and makes it more sustainable over time - kind of like a "relaxed" alertness) and adds other benefits.

Gyokuro, althoug far from being my favourite tea (I moved to other teas for taste reasons), is still the go-to to many puas, including @Glow and many others.

If you just need a wake up, you can always take some red ginseng (panax ginseng).

L-tyrosine (1g) combined with B-vitamins also give a boost. It increases dopamine level.
So does Catuaba (also in capsule form).

And L-tryptophan is superior to melatonin post field, as it refills your brain with endorphins and create natural melatonin (endorphins are a precursor to melatonin)

Edit: High quality matcha (needs to be ceremonial grade from UJI) also does the trick, actually works very well.
Edit 2: I know I am younger than you and have more energy and endurance, but I can manage up to 12+ hours in field, so I think my stack is superior
Edit 3: @Pelusita drinks a crazy strong Yerba Mate before heading out. I can attest that its concentration of caffeine, antioxidents and theobromine (also found in tea btw) really helps with state. When I visit him, we binge that shit.

-Teevster

Yeah since what i am doing is working, i will keep in mind if it stops working i do 12 hours not in field, but more than that counting work, gym, walking dog, since clubs is usually 6 hours but i am very energetic, i am on trt too... people come up to me asking me for drugs due to my vibe, confidence and energy...they think i am on coke, or drunk etc...

 

[Skills]

How long are you actually in field? My nights may start at 12-1 am and end at noon at worst.

If it is just a good old 11 to 3 night, then maybe those caffeine pill can do the trick. I need more efficient stuff.

-Teevster

11pm to 5 am

 

[Teevster]

Yeah since what i am doing is working, i will keep in mind if it stops working i do 12 hours not in field, but more than that counting work, gym, walking dog, since clubs is usually 6 hours but i am very energetic, i am on trt too... people come up to me asking me for drugs due to my vibe, confidence and energy...they think i am on coke, or drunk etc...

Well ok sure if it works for you, then g for it. We all react differently to substances.

To me caffeine pills make me over-energetic for like 3 hours or so followed with a total crash. Not ideal.

-Teevster

 

[Dreamer]

I make it a habit to always go out on Fridays( and a lot of times Saturdays too), but sometimes i go out post running errands, work, gym.... One time i was exhausted and half asleep, and took a coffee pill

Yeah same here (sometimes Thursdays also). If I have errands to do outside on Fri-Sat, or if I have a friend/wing visiting me and we're out on the town during the day, I try and make sure I'm home @ least 2 hours (preferably 2.5hours) before I have to head out and hit the field, so I can rest, recover and prepare myself. A warm shower (always) tends to wake me up also if I'm tired. One time I was out with a wing during the day, and we were tired from the night before and not sure if we'd head out later. Got home, napped and were still feeling tired after waking up. Took shower, then espresso and mood got so much better so we went out. I also eat a proper full meal (usually an hour before heading out) and then top it with some dark chocolate and 100% Arabica coffee (7.5g of ground coffee beans in 75 ml water brewed in a moka pot -> so that's approx 70mg-100mg caffeine before going out).

I don't drink when I'm out infield, unless a girl I'm with offers to buy me shots or a drink. To be honest, I don't even want them but usually drink them since the girl wants to drink with someone and it makes her invest a bit in the interaction. Happened last weekend when HBAquagirl bought us 2 rounds of tequila shots. While in field I drink sparkling water (it has more body so a bit more filling) with lemon (always with 2 straws, not just one, it looks like an alcoholic drink with 2 so better) and then flavor the water with 2 types of effervescent tablets: 1. Combo of ginseng extract, B-complex vitamins, Vit C/E etc... and 2. A Red Bull analogue that contains B5/B6/B12/Niacin/Caffeine/Taurine/Inositol (64mg caffeine per tablet). So for one drink = 1 ginseng tablet + 0.5 redbull tablet. The good thing is it colors and flavors the water (so it looks like a RBV) and if people ask what you're drinking you can just say "RBV". Sometimes the girls will taste it and no one realizes there's no alcohol in the drink. Not even once. So total caffeine consumption is about 150mg max. It keeps my mood / energy stable and I rarely have any crashes or field tired when I'm out. Also, nicotine has been found to increase caffeine clearance from the system by about 30%-50%. I'm not recommending people take up smoking but if you're like me and hang in the smoking room it probably helps break down the caffeine a bit better.

Also, as Alek mentioned above, l-theanine (usual dose: 200mg-400mg) is good and known to take the "edge" off the caffeine a bit.

-it is harder time falling asleep , so i take melatonin and alexa sleep sounds (i like fountain).... I also wear a night mask cause in my new crib i have sky view...

I've tried both melatonin (microdose though) and l-tryptophan for sleep. I usually stick to l-tryp for weekends. Also not applicable to you, but to those who drink when you're out you shouldn't really take melatonin after consuming alcohol, so in this case l-tryp would be superior. Also, very good for hangovers. Field tested it numerous times this past winter with a wing who was visiting for an extended weekend (and who enjoys his alcohol and has sleep issues due to a medical condition). Gave him 600mg after a night out, next day no hangover, no tiredness and tons of energy to go out again (I think we were out 3 or 4 nights in a row, 6-8 hours per night).

I also tried a bunch of sleep sounds for years. The best I found for me so far are binaural beats. I'll usually have a pure tone playing like this on top of a soundscape like this. To those interested in trying them out, delta is assoc with deep sleep and relaxation. Theta is assoc with REM sleep, relaxation, meditative and creative states, while alpha is assoc with an awake but relaxed state / decreased anxiety etc (is also enhanced by l-theanine consumption). Some thoughts. Of course when I was younger I didn't have to worry about any of this.

 

[Teevster]

dark chocolate

Yeah REAL chocolate actually has a great effect on state. I tried to opt for that 90% dark chocolate before field and state is BETTER. I totally forgot about this. Gotta do it next week end.

But even better is eating REAL coco beans! That's like pure STATE... I think I will buy some tomorow for the week end.

Also, as Alek mentioned above, l-theanine (usual dose: 200mg-400mg) is good and known to take the "edge" off the caffeine a bit.

It also add other benefits such as sociability and increased concentration as well as anxiety reducing.

So maybe a caffeine pill + 400-500 mg L-theanine could be the ideal combo for skills?

I take 500 mg L-theanine in field. Tea before heading out, and a capsule that I take in field.

-Teevster

 

[Glow]

A question @Skills - what are the negative effects of taking caffeine pills? Eg conditioning your body w. regular caffeine intake in these amounts? eg sleep pattern disrupt? eg brain and hormone impact?

Problem I have with caffeine pills is that, sure it wakes you up, but then eventually you CRASH. It is not sustainable. This is why I have recommended people drink TEA with high concentrations of L-Theanine and Caffeine (Gyokuro - get a good one, which you can buy here). L-Theanine balances the caffeine (and makes it more sustainable over time - kind of like a "relaxed" alertness) and adds other benefits.

Gyokuro, althoug far from being my favourite tea (I moved to other teas for taste reasons), is still the go-to to many puas, including @Glow and many others.

If you just need a wake up, you can always take some red ginseng (panax ginseng).

L-tyrosine (1g) combined with B-vitamins also give a boost. It increases dopamine level.
So does Catuaba (also in capsule form).

And L-tryptophan is superior to melatonin post field, as it refills your brain with endorphins and create natural melatonin (endorphins are a precursor to melatonin)

Edit: High quality matcha (needs to be ceremonial grade from UJI) also does the trick, actually works very well.
Edit 2: I know I am younger than you and have more energy and endurance, but I can manage up to 12+ hours in field, so I think my stack is superior
Edit 3: @Pelusita drinks a crazy strong Yerba Mate before heading out. I can attest that its concentration of caffeine, antioxidents and theobromine (also found in tea btw) really helps with state. When I visit him, we binge that shit.

-Teevster

Thanks teevs.

Just wanna add that for me:
- Gyokuro in general provides for a meditative state - mix of relaxed and awake - i dont use it for field but for deep work type things. but i could see it being used for strong presence type game where calm is key.
- High quality (ritual level) matcha is more of variations of lighthearted bubbly state for me.
- Catuaba for me is just a feeling of being like honey in your body, attuned to sexual sensation so awesome for sexualised presence. For my style it enhances seductive vibing immensely. i dont feel dopamine blasts but more seratonin like experience - which is like when you just had sex sorta delicious feel inside your body. Dopamine is an amplifier of intent, seratonin more from feelign good and experiencing the pleasure vs the crave for it.

i would prob only compare matcha to caffeine pills BUT matchas effect is mostly 15-30 min of intensity where as gyukuro can last for hours espeicaully if you keep sipping it(which is not the way to drink it according to rituals and procedure).

Just to add my experience.

I prefer to use natural remedies for eg dopamine boosts
- cold showers/cold water/ice immersion

Im personally not for taking anything if i can do it via my natural means, aka body. Scondly if i take some thing i want it to be as natural as possible eg catuaba which is a brasilian root extract, or eg green teas as mentioned but i dont take those for night time boosts. That said i do eg use a redbull or alike here and there for night time energy if i crash. But its rare. And fair if others choose it as a remedy.

 

[Gaturro]

I’ve been doing this for 5 years or more, it’s great for anxiety, low energy, etc, cons is you can talk for hours (once after I banged a girl I wouldn’t stop talking and she just wanted to sleep lol).

It’s also great for avoiding hangovers, and it helps you not feel drunk in general. Caffeine kinda helps me stay alert even if I drink

I do this:

10 pm I have dinner
11 pm I drink 1 can of monster (16 oz)
11:30 pm i take a dump (the caffeine effect is instant lol)
12 pm i take shower
12:30 i get dressed
1 am i go to the pre-party / club

There i can drink alcohol with caffeinated drinks (like 1-2 jager shots with a can of redbull), or sometimes just caffeinated drinks when i start feeling in a low state or a small “crash” (i wouldn’t call it a crash but you can feel less euphoria).

With this formula my state gets good really fast, even if I was calm when I arrived, I start feeling in a great state fast and easy.

I start getting tired at 6 am but can stay awake until 9-10 with no problems and I have no ED whatsoever, actually I think my erections are stronger after this. But I guess it has something to do with being surrounded by women for 5 hours, or feeling arousal thanks to the alcohol, and not because of caffeine intake per se (caffeine can improve blood flow, yes, but it will not significantly improve erections by itself, at least for me, it only helps just a little).

About monster: I prefer mango loco but i guess they’re all the same. It’s got 160mg of caffeine and more stuff, the only bad thing (apart from elevating your heart rate) is that thanks to caffeine you won’t absorb 60% of the iron from meals in a 1-2 hour span, so you might need iron supplements (to take them as further of caffeine intake as possible).

The trick about energy drinks / caffeine is to take it 30 min - 1 hour before leaving so you have time to go to the toilet. It even helps you when you want to get rid of it but still “aren’t there yet”.

@Teevster @Pelusita yes, yerba mate is great, we drink it a lot in Argentina!! BUT semen will get a sour taste. I avoid yerba mate and protein powder for a few days when I want to finish with a BJ (protein powder makes it “stickier” and less liquid, so it’s more difficult to swallow)

 

[Skills]

A question @Skills - what are the negative effects of taking caffeine pills? Eg conditioning your body w. regular caffeine intake in these amounts? eg sleep pattern disrupt? eg brain and hormone impact?

glow as i stated in the op, is no pills is only 1 pill of what i linked pre going out, again the negative side effect is that even 5-6 hours later harder to fall asleep....

It seems a lot of guys are talking about red bull and the likes..... This is why you guys crash i assume does drinks have tons of sugar/carbs that is not what i do i simply take 1 caffeine pill, so far it makes me a super man in the field with the energy levels, also do not know if causation correlation but i am getting girls even on bad nights.. (sausage fests)

 

[Teevster]

glow as i stated in the op, is no pills is only 1 pill of what i linked pre going out, again the negative side effect is that even 5-6 hours later harder to fall asleep....

It seems a lot of guys are talking about red bull and the likes..... This is why you guys crash i assume does drinks have tons of sugar/carbs that is not what i do i simply take 1 caffeine pill, so far it makes me a super man in the field with the energy levels, also do not know if causation correlation but i am getting girls even on bad nights.. (sausage fests)

He was talking about caffeine pills in general

Well man if this works for you, great. I get overly hyperactive and jittery when I have too much caffeine, which is why I like the L-theanine on top. How about you field test the L-theanine?

Best,
Teevster