Advice on these questions! Please chip in!

[Lawliet]

Hi there, it's my first post here. I originally posted this for Chase, but I have come across many questions and so Chase told me to post here instead. Too much spam on his comment sections

If you have time, please leave some feedback! Any good useful advice is appreciated!

1. Log reports
However, I've been facing problems with log reports. Every time I go out, I'll write up a log report after. Problem is, these reports take hours of my time and hours to recall every single detail that happened the same day. Sometimes I fall asleep and wake up the next day to finish it, only for my memory to become more blurred.

Went to tally the word count which was around 5K words in an average report.
I don't want to miss out details and not being able to analyze where I made mistakes. However, all the writing is tedious. I write up entire conversations I had with each person that day.

How detailed should we keep our reports without worries of missing a beat?

2. Compliance
When a girl doesn't comply and make counter arrangement, is it okay to take it?
She says her reason and need, and I feel like it's right to be inclusive. However, it feels like a possible bad precedent or negative compliance? What do you think?
And how does getting her buy-in look like in this situation (or preceding event)?

And what happens if she says no and we hard push the heck and she still says no? Do we just drop her? (Too thick negative precedent - refer to "Reversing bad precedent" article where chase says a broken home cannot be fixed)

3. Analytical
The same girl who said, "Sure" to keeping it casual uses terms like "you intrigue me" and "I think it's your turn to validate yourself"

First is how to respond to challenges like that.
But what baffles me is she's using terms that pinpoint exactly what the situation is...

She's also very analytical and can pinpoint exactly why I do something. "You're saying that only to make it nice, and not so mean" or "You're giving yourself an out!"

Does this have to do with her experience level? But she said she only had 2 exs...
She told me this when she launched into a whole speech about how relationships hurt her after I suggested keeping it casual.

I'm taken aback by this puzzling phenomenon and worried how this will affect our interactions and closing.

4. Would it be good to "point things out" with a girl?
By things, I mean their attraction, their interest, their behavior in general
Ricardus is a fan of pointing things out. Points out if a girl is nervous to get her calm. Points out if a girl is playing games to get her to st

5. Intriguing with how we answer their questions?
I've been trying my best to do this. But having trouble coming up with these types of answers. Pointers?

6. One-upping

Would framing her as chasing (Chase framing) be damaging her reputation for showing interest / or good frame (ex. see you have options)?

Ex.
Me: Sorry about not getting back to your texts. I was pretty busy this week.

Her: Too busy chatting with other girls?

Me: Jealous? . Talk is cheap. Come out and see if your accusation [of me being hotstuff] is right.

I ended up adding this to bust her stones (I stand in no challenge land prior. I'm sure of this because she doesn't always reply, and I double text to get polite replies)
"If I'm good, you can introduce me to your friends!"

In this case, her frame she sets for me is good behavior.
So by setting her as chasing, it denotes her lower value for doing such behavior.
If I'm right, this is one upping?

7. Banter and wit
How do you guys come up with amazing witty banter? What I mean is coming up with material! Having amazing stuff to say! Some pointers will help!
I read the articles on Mastering playful banter and teasing but that's outlines. Still can't come up with witty things to say though I know what qualifies as good banter?

8. Re: Destroying intrigue and losing attraction concept
The fine line of having her know we are interested so she doesn't AR, while keeping parts of it mysterious / also scarce to keep it a reward...
Hard...really hard. I'm still trying to calibrate the "Building emotions up to right before AR, and then letting it back down." I find that being unavailable most of the time already sets her up for this though.

"Omg, what is he doing? Why isn't he replying?"
But this one girl mimics whatever I do. If I'm too busy to reply immediately, she does it back as some sort of revenge. That's so silly and cute, but almost AR...grrrr


Yours,
Lawliet

 

[ray_zorse]

1. Log reports
However, I've been facing problems with log reports. Every time I go out, I'll write up a log report after. Problem is, these reports take hours of my time and hours to recall every single detail that happened the same day. Sometimes I fall asleep and wake up the next day to finish it, only for my memory to become more blurred.

Went to tally the word count which was around 5K words in an average report.
I don't want to miss out details and not being able to analyze where I made mistakes. However, all the writing is tedious. I write up entire conversations I had with each person that day.

How detailed should we keep our reports without worries of missing a beat?

Personally, as detailed as possible. But some other members (Mr.Rob is an example) keep their reports quite brief and in a fairly standard format like "This is what I did. These were the things I did well. These were my fuckups. This is what I will do next time instead. Sticking points identified. Strategies for dealing with said sticking points." If you do it like this I'd imagine it will save you time and effort.

2. Compliance
When a girl doesn't comply and make counter arrangement, is it okay to take it?
She says her reason and need, and I feel like it's right to be inclusive. However, it feels like a possible bad precedent or negative compliance? What do you think?
And how does getting her buy-in look like in this situation (or preceding event)?

Case by case. For example, your girl has researched possible picnic spots, and brought a picnic without your having asked. Obviously, you reward her investment and contribution by thanking her and complimenting her lavishly on her initiative, and you go where she suggests. In another case she's clearly just lazy (wants to meet close by her home) or is disagreeing for the sake of being disagreeable (testing you). You be persuasive (first case) or dismissive (second case). As you said it also depends on whether she communicates effectively and has some good reason. Another issue is, if lots of negative compliance has been built, you might want to tread carefully, otherwise give her some leeway.

And what happens if she says no and we hard push the heck and she still says no? Do we just drop her? (Too thick negative precedent - refer to "Reversing bad precedent" article where chase says a broken home cannot be fixed)

As a general rule, asking for compliance is the BEST WAY to find out whether she's attracted. Because if she wants you in an orbiter slot, or is attention whoring etc, she WON'T comply to you. If she's on the fence then she might raise objections and give you an opportunity to hard push and if you fail in this, she'll be less attracted. So I suggest NEXT. But if you followed my suggestions above, you chose your battles carefully, so you're not NEXTing her over something where it really didn't matter and you could have just complied.

3. Analytical
The same girl who said, "Sure" to keeping it casual uses terms like "you intrigue me" and "I think it's your turn to validate yourself"

First is how to respond to challenges like that.
But what baffles me is she's using terms that pinpoint exactly what the situation is...

She's also very analytical and can pinpoint exactly why I do something. "You're saying that only to make it nice, and not so mean" or "You're giving yourself an out!"

Does this have to do with her experience level? But she said she only had 2 exs...
She told me this when she launched into a whole speech about how relationships hurt her after I suggested keeping it casual.

I'm taken aback by this puzzling phenomenon and worried how this will affect our interactions and closing.

Girls aren't stupid. My girl has kind of rumbled to things like compliance building, and when she catches me out, she'll call me out "Say please!"... this makes it even more satisfying when I slip one under the radar On the whole, intelligent girls are much more fun to hang around with, and will definitely keep your game in tip-top shape. How you respond when called out is case by case... but you can be good-natured about it. Just laugh and change the subject might be a good way. Don't let on that it's important.

4. Would it be good to "point things out" with a girl?
By things, I mean their attraction, their interest, their behavior in general
Ricardus is a fan of pointing things out. Points out if a girl is nervous to get her calm. Points out if a girl is playing games to get her to st

You want to cement positive emotions. "You look like you're having a wonderful time tonight!"... this anchors it in her mind as "I had a wondeful time with Lawliet" when she's thinking back over the evening later. I'm not so sure if you should point out her nervousness or her game playing because in my opinion this would either anchor or encourage it.[/quote]

5. Intriguing with how we answer their questions?
I've been trying my best to do this. But having trouble coming up with these types of answers. Pointers?

It's quite a weak area of my game. But I suggest to watch the "Spellbinding" conversation series. Things like baiting. But as a general rule if you just talk less, don't give full answers, don't fill silences with information, etc... you'll be in better shape. Unfortunately, lately I really went backwards with this, was blab-blabbing to a new girl in the office today with gossip about different supervisors etc, when I could have used a lot more silences and baiting to get her to invest. Oh well, Rome wasn't built in a day I suppose.[/quote]

6. One-upping

Would framing her as chasing (Chase framing) be damaging her reputation for showing interest / or good frame (ex. see you have options)?

These are two different things really. All your humour should be inclusive, so NEVER one-upping, unless you're busting her stones (she asks for praise -> you bust her stones). As to chase framing, don't do it in public or on social media, it's private between you guys. Keep it very light hearted and teasey, because it can be offensive otherwise. Take care of cultural differences too, like if she's from a very conservative culture (Chinese, Filipino) you might tease her about chasing for a husband/boyfriend rather than chasing for sex.

Ex.
Me: Sorry about not getting back to your texts. I was pretty busy this week.

Her: Too busy chatting with other girls?

Me: Jealous? . Talk is cheap. Come out and see if your accusation [of me being hotstuff] is right.

I ended up adding this to bust her stones (I stand in no challenge land prior. I'm sure of this because she doesn't always reply, and I double text to get polite replies)
"If I'm good, you can introduce me to your friends!"

In this case, her frame she sets for me is good behavior.
So by setting her as chasing, it denotes her lower value for doing such behavior.
If I'm right, this is one upping?

Never chase frame over text, unless she's INVESTING HARD and your chase frame is UNBELIEVABLY SUBTLE. It's just FAR TOO RISKY. Anyway I think your example is not a good one because you shouldn't be apologizing or accounting for your time (although I must say I have done it in special situations, for example with my regular girl)... and she probably wouldn't say something like that anyway. If she did she's investing, and it might be better to reward it by being warm, although I can't think exactly how off the top of my head.

7. Banter and wit
How do you guys come up with amazing witty banter? What I mean is coming up with material! Having amazing stuff to say! Some pointers will help!
I read the articles on Mastering playful banter and teasing but that's outlines. Still can't come up with witty things to say though I know what qualifies as good banter?

Practice my man. Read stickied LRs. Set yourself goals like "I'm going to say something sexual within 5 minutes of every conversation", obviously some of these things will fall flat but you'll also have some very funny encounterrs too. Don't worry because with practice you soon develop conversational routines, things that you say at certain times... a good example for me is "I know what you get up to when ...", for example I actually said it twice in this conversation which was quite funny. But an important note: YOU DO NOT NEED TOO MUCH BANTER, A COUPLE OF LINES IS ENOUGH. Here I said something funny about 3 times: The "darkened room" comment, the "needing someone to install it" comment, and the "leave your boyfriend at home" comment. The rest of the time was asking her about herself and relating basically. A final suggestion is to use themes and callback humour, e.g. I've sometimes used a "secret agent" theme.

8. Re: Destroying intrigue and losing attraction concept
The fine line of having her know we are interested so she doesn't AR, while keeping parts of it mysterious / also scarce to keep it a reward...
Hard...really hard. I'm still trying to calibrate the "Building emotions up to right before AR, and then letting it back down." I find that being unavailable most of the time already sets her up for this though.

"Omg, what is he doing? Why isn't he replying?"
But this one girl mimics whatever I do. If I'm too busy to reply immediately, she does it back as some sort of revenge. That's so silly and cute, but almost AR...grrr

As I said, girls aren't stupid. One way is to be more unpredictable, like sometimes reply within a few minutes and sometimes a few hours. Even better, just be a genuinely busy, high-value guy... anyway, I think you may be over-thinking this, just have lots of interactions and fuck up a lot and you'll soon develop a feel for what works and what doesn't.

Hope it helps.

Ray

 

[Lawliet]

Wow Ray, a well detailed answer. I'll skimmed through it for now, but will definitely read more into it.
Great stuff.

Anyone else want to contribute?
Any good intriguers around here?

 

[Lawliet]

Wait, Chase framing only when its us two?
But if it's day game or night game, it's out in public. How do we set the right expectations with chase frame if we have to wait until we're in private? And I thought chase framing is generally used throughout the interaction?

Lawliet