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Slippin' Jimmy

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So i'm out in Berlin and after a couple of nights out where I accomplished sweet fuck all (approached exactly 0 women), I decide to set the bar low. I give myself the target of approaching 10 women; not giving a fuck about getting a number or a lay, just get the approaches.

Hit a popular bar strip in town with a group of guys from the Hostel i'm staying at. I'm at the bar and a couple of girls next to me are talking english

Me: Where are you guys from?
Girl 1: [somewhere in europe]
Me: What're you doing in Berlin?
Girl 1: [stuff]

Was not getting much interest from these two so I moved on. Chat with my buddies for a while. Down the other side of the bar there are some girls wearing sombreros. I nudge one on the shoulder and ask what's with the sombreros etc., Have about a 10 second chat with this girl, also not much interest. A bit later a girl comes in holding a rose, I ask her if the rose is for me. I get a curt "no" from her and she walks away, which I find amusing.

This bar is getting pretty dead and the guys want to move on to a dance club. We get there and its loud, smokey and dirty, but seems like a good male:female ratio. I'm thinking FUCK, i hate these types of venues; so hard to approach and build a connection in this type of environment. Also, I've never done this in an environment where I don't speak the language. I've got about 7 approaches to go to hit the target, which seems like a fucking mountain to climb at this point.

I decide to try out something real simple. Dance for a bit, pre-open a cute girl next to me and ask her if she speaks english. She does, I say shes an amazing dancer (lame as this is, it was actually true). We have an interaction that lasts for about 30 seconds. I feel I could've kept it going but the noise was distracting, also her english wasn't great. A few minutes later, do the same thing with another girl but compliment her looks rather than dancing. This interaction lasts a bit longer than the other one. I try to get her to come outside with me so we can hear each other; she says she has to stay with her friends. I meekly reply "ok" -_- I make a mental note to just grab the next girl and pull her outside when it gets to that point.

About half an hour later I do exactly that to a very pretty girl who is a few years older, called Lisa. We have a brief chat, I take her hand and pull her outside with me. Deep dive her for about 5 minutes, throwing in a couple of chase frames and jokes to lighten the mood. Take her hand to pull her to a different area, where there are seats. We connect a bit more and make out for a bit. She tells me she just needs to "say goodbye" to her friend or something - english is not her 1st language so I'm not sure if this is what she meant. I guess in this situation theres the risk she might not come back and its better to persist to make her stay? I just calmly said "sure", expecting her to come back soon. Not sure if this is a good response or not.

Shes gone for a couple of minutes, during which a guy tries to sell me drugs. I say no thanks, as I know from experience this is terrible for picking up women (at this point i'm mostly sober, fortunately) and i'm proud of myself for rejecting the offer. Lisa comes back and i'm fucking sure the window is now, based on what she said about saying goodbye to her friend. I grab her hand and pull her downstairs out of the club (don't ask for permission, just take her) effortlessly and confidently.

Thinking back now, there was not much pull talk (due to the loud music) to keep her logical mind occupied and this may have contributed to the below exchange when we got outside to a taxi:

Her: I'm not doing this
Me: Its only five minutes away
Her: I need to go back to my friend, shes by herself
Me: Haha she'll be fine come on lets go
Her: I'm not going with you

Sad to say I lose my nerve and weakly relent after a couple of tries. The logistics are absolutely terrible (it would've been atleast a 15 minute cab ride) as I did not plan the venue or think it through properly. I say ok, lets just go sit down for a bit. We deep dive a bit more, couple more chase frames and teasing, more touching and make out. I tell her I'm leaving Berlin in a couple of days, and we should enjoy the time we have together etc. I then float the idea of catching a cab to another bar (which would be closer to my hostel) to have a quiet drink, away from all the noise, but she is not up for that either and wants to go back to her friend. We go back up.

I do a few more approaches, but soon after the guys decide to call it a night. Any advice you guys can give me on how I could've persisted better and gotten Lisa into the cab would be more than welcome :)
 

Teparus

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I'm channeling more advanced practitioners as I say this:
When facing resistance that won't budge, you generally want to figure out why she's resisting (ask if you can't guess) and accommodate it. If she doesn't want to leave her friend, you could try to bring her friend along and isolate her later in the night, for instance.

In general, when you hit resistance, you want to figure out why, address it, possibly rebuild comfort, and try again -- continually. If she genuinely into you she has a good chance of just running out of the willpower to say no to what she wants. That is, IF she genuinely wants it and it's just a self-control thing holding her back.
 

Slippin' Jimmy

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Haraklus said:
I'm channeling more advanced practitioners as I say this:
When facing resistance that won't budge, you generally want to figure out why she's resisting (ask if you can't guess) and accommodate it. If she doesn't want to leave her friend, you could try to bring her friend along and isolate her later in the night, for instance.

In general, when you hit resistance, you want to figure out why, address it, possibly rebuild comfort, and try again -- continually. If she genuinely into you she has a good chance of just running out of the willpower to say no to what she wants. That is, IF she genuinely wants it and it's just a self-control thing holding her back.

Thanks for your input Haraklus. I like your suggestion of addressing, rebuilding comfort etc. I think the problem here was I moved too fast and didn't spend enough time building attraction, connection and sexual tension. It was a very quick pull attempt. After the 1st attempt failed I could've gone back and tried these things but had lost my nerve a bit form the flat out refusal.
 
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