Applicability of GC Concepts in college versus after college

[Grand Pooba]

As of late I've noticed some great FRs and LRs from the younger, currently-in-college generation in the field reports section, and that got me thinking...

I figure that the process of seduction and being great with women as taught here is pretty universal in college as well as after college (hence the term "naturals," and it sticks with you, and once you get good here you'll be able to apply the ideas everywhere); I wonder if you experienced folks have also noticed any differences, greater or lesser opportunities, and challenges? What are your thoughts?

I'm talking specifically in a high school or college environment, versus a post college and professional-type environment. Perhaps grad school is a third environment.

 

[Franco]

ozzo,

As someone who partied often in college and was around beautiful girls rather regularly, I can tell you there is one big difference. And that difference isn't determined by the environment but rather whether or not you learned how to cold approach.

I know several guys who were absolute studs in social circle and were getting lays in college through mutual friends -- you could tell they thought they were going to be successful and not have too many issues with women moving forward in their lives. However, as soon as they stepped out of college and had to go to bars and clubs to meet women, they struggled immensely.

Learning to cold approach and set up dates or take home complete strangers is an entirely different ballpark from running social circle game in college. Cold approach is much more difficult to learn and master, and social circle lends to giving you lots of "freebies" with mistakes you make, which actually prevents you from learning to get better.

So, if you learn to cold approach in college, then almost absolutely nothing changes for you since you are capable of approaching women who have no ties to you and turning them into lovers and girlfriends. I absolutely advise every guy to be practicing cold approach as it is a life-long tool that will never leave you. Don't rely on social circle game to net you girls for your entire life, or you're going to come up empty-handed!

- Franco

 

[Grand Pooba]

Franco,

It's great that you wrote about cold approaching, because just like you I also partied very often in college and was around tons of available women, some with whom I succeeded and some with whom I failed or simply didn't pursue even though they had interest. But cold approaching, and getting rid of approach anxiety and anxiety with strangers, is SO important not just with getting new lovers or a girlfriend, but I've seen it start to benefit me in other areas of my life as well (professional, social, etc.)

Thank you for your great response.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I am going to disagree with Franco just slightly here. In college I found cold approaching to be somewhat awkward and risky, for one of my friends who was dedicated to the PUA scene it led to a creeper reputation. We must understand that college, no matter how big it is, is still a closed system where status counts for a lot and pre-selection dictates. College girls have already made up their minds about what guys they are going to hook up with and usually these are guys from their own social circles or guys they have a lot of familiarity with. In the real world I have found that women are not that way, they are open to exploring. Now you know why you rarely see attractive college girls with online dating profiles, because they know what kind of guys they are going to want to be with.

As a guy with above average looks, lots of confidence, and a lot of knowledge of the game I have found that doing well after college is exponentially easier than it is in college when we are judging based on looks alone. Now if you are a guy who is in a top name frat, it is easy for you because you hardly have to put any work in and similarly this applies to athletes, musicians, and guys who throw the biggest parties on campus. I had friends that modeled who were struggling in college because they didn't have access to the social circles and just simply chatting up girls on campus was not enough.

I do want Chase to do an article one day which attacks the College Hype and Real World scare.

 

[Franco]

Proactivity,

In college I found cold approaching to be somewhat awkward and risky, for one of my friends who was dedicated to the PUA scene it led to a creeper reputation. We must understand that college, no matter how big it is, is still a closed system where status counts for a lot and pre-selection dictates.

This really depends on how big the college or university you went to was. I went to a university that had over 30,000 students, so running cold approach game there was easily possible. You can attempt to cold approach at public fraternity parties, but if you were part of a fraternity, then it wasn't completely a "cold" approach. You are affiliated in some way with the Greek system, so a girl already has preconceptions about who you are based on who you know and affiliate with.

College girls have already made up their minds about what guys they are going to hook up with and usually these are guys from their own social circles or guys they have a lot of familiarity with.

College girls might have in mind who they would like to hook up with, but that doesn't mean they aren't open to meeting completely new guys. Women will always be open to cold approach, especially if you have great fundamentals during the day.

Now you know why you rarely see attractive college girls with online dating profiles, because they know what kind of guys they are going to want to be with.

This isn't necessarily true... this has more to do with the amount of options they (perceive) to have when they are in college. They can be around boys all the time, so there are lots of potential options and they don't really need to be searching online. Also, the online dating scene is still relatively new, and most girls still have apprehensive feelings about using it to meet men -- especially when they are young. When women get older, they are a bit more open to meeting guys in other ways, especially since they aren't in college and their (perceived) options seem to be less abundant.

As a guy with above average looks, lots of confidence, and a lot of knowledge of the game I have found that doing well after college is exponentially easier than it is in college when we are judging based on looks alone.

Exactly. And the reason is that you (I assume) have learned to cold approach. Without approach anxiety, then meeting women outside of college becomes a HELL of a lot easier. But most guys coming out of college do not have this skill, and this is what my main point was referring to, mostly.

I had friends that modeled who were struggling in college because they didn't have access to the social circles and just simply chatting up girls on campus was not enough.

This has less to do with their attractiveness or their ability to enter social circles and more to do with their comprehension of how to move things forward with a girl. Even if you chat up girls in a bar or a club, it's not going to go anywhere unless you know what you are doing (or at least have a basic outline of what you're going to do). But that's what this website is for -- to show you what to do. =)

- Franco

 

[PinotNoir]

For me personally, college was easier, but that doesn't mean after-college can't be easy as well! I went to a college with a 2:1 girl-to-guy ratio. In one of my Intro classes, a girl asked me out to a dance -- only the 3rd time that has happened in my life (where I did no actual initiating at all, just flirting).

After college, I think it's more liberating, more freedom:

- Money
- Won't get expelled if caught having sex (college was strict)
- Not limited to only college girls and college events
- No homework/tests (except for occasional certification for you job)
- Less "social circle" and less "expectations"

Even in diverse colleges, there's still this cookie-cutout "type" associated with college girls (and guys). It's different per college of course, and it's different per organization within the college ("Sorority" girls, "Athletic" girls, "Independent" girls, etc.). The age and ethnicity can be pretty limiting, depending on where you go to college. For example, good luck trying to find a late 20s Asian girl back in my college, or anyone that isn't between 17-22. Lastly, back in my college, a lot of girls were looking for marriage, and a lot of girls still hung onto their high school boyfriends until after Freshman year. In fact, we had an abbreviation thrown around a lot back in college: DTR. It means Define The Relationship. Basically, after dating a girl for an extended period, she sits down with you and asks you to "define the relationship," i.e., is this leading to marriage or is this a fling? And there's all of these stupid rules, like the "2 Function Assumption." If you go to 2 functions (e.g., dances, parties, etc.) with a girl as your date, it's assumed that you're in a relationship.

In this sense, I think after-college is better. The only problems:

- No college events/classes
- And you have to put in the work/practice

Meeting good quality women in college was easy. In the real world, some days there's just no one out for day game or night game. It happens. If you want the shy girl that barely leaves her place, you have to run into her while she's doing errands at the grocery store, online, etc. Back in college, I would be sitting in class right next to her.

Just put in the work (GirlsChase fundamentals, approaching, conversing, etc.), and after-college will be much better than in college. When you daydream at night before going to bed, you should be daydreaming about how great your life is, not how great it was. Be a man of action, not theory/fantasy, and you'll be fine.

My only problem currently is that I almost have too much I'm doing. I have 2 big goals that I'm pursuing in my life right now, and it eats up all of my time. If I can somehow manage my time better, I'll be approaching more. I think this is another common problem after college, as you finally have a little bit more time to pursue some major goals in life, and you have to decide between that and going out and approaching.

Note, these are just my personal experiences and does not reflect the general experience of college life.