Are girls seeking boyfriends more than "usual"?

[DoWhatWorks]

TLDR: In the field, I'm seeing more girls chasing relationships and I think it's economy related - are you seeing this too?

If you've not had 10 lays between January 2023 to now respectfully please don't reply with an opinion (this is a very reasonable cut off)

Long Version:

I've noticed that myself, competent game guys and naturals are running into girls chasing relationships. Here's some of the behaviour I'm seeing:

• Girls sleeping 1st time on dates, being responsive then when you go to arrange a date - sending long paragraphs about how they want a BF & don't think you're a candidate

• In terms of my natural wings - girls they were seeing casually disappearing, then coming back 6 months later and pushing for more investment e.g. planning holidays and inviting them to parties to meet their friends

• Openly promiscuous girls on apps who claim to value their freedom softening their tone and talking about wanting "connection" & a regular person.

• Attractive girls hitting on guys in work environments and asking about relationship status' when they usually would do this with gus outside of work or wait for a guy to make the first move...

None of this is new per se but it's definitely happening more frequently and with more intensity in my first hand experience. My theory is as things get more expensive/harder people become more conservative and want to pair bond to weather the storm and pragmatically save on rent lol...


What are you guys seeing?

 

[Skills]

If you are high value girlfriends would want to cuff you, regardless... But yes, women value security, the housing prices and rentals are extremely high forcing 2 incomes to barely get by in rent, men and women, i have Access to people finances since i am lender.. people are broke in general but in economic crisis survival in front of everything else... online women tend to get fuck and dump a lot or meet guys that don't make it, that goes into equation as well... Clubs are getting destroyed is getting really bad right now... people Even moving back home....tldr under economic crisis people in general prefer cuffing up men and women....i seen also an increase in pay for play directly or indirectly.... women asking for money...

 

[DoWhatWorks]

.i seen also an increase in pay for play directly or indirectly.... women asking for money...

Forgot to mention this as I've seen it too... A lot more sugar daddy jokes not jokes.

Another trend (in London at least) is people socialising more through activities e.g. arts and crafts like painting or pottery or dinners around friend's houses.

It's my first time gaming as an adult in a "recession" so curious to see what it's like... In a weird way I'm looking forward to the next few years, want to see if I really built a solid foundation or just benefitted from good times lol

 

[King]

Its the culture of the era bro... There is an insane amount of simps - beta - incels out there - hyper boosting these girls ego online, while the girls are still lonely and single, the rate of single men in todays society is astronomically high - this means women are lonely AF behind all that they think their hot and men ain't shit attitude...

Because of this top tier men are very rare (even if they don't got the looks or money) but even just good game and being able to atleast work the process all the way to the bedroom, this is becoming a scarce thing in general... On top of all this like uncle Skills said, bitches are trying to lockdown good men like crazy even more now with how the economy is going is dumping rocket fuel to the whole equation.

 

[Skills]

Forgot to mention this as I've seen it too... A lot more sugar daddy jokes not jokes.

Another trend (in London at least) is people socialising more through activities e.g. arts and crafts like painting or pottery or dinners around friend's houses.

It's my first time gaming as an adult in a "recession" so curious to see what it's like... In a weird way I'm looking forward to the next few years, want to see if I really built a solid foundation or just benefitted from good times lol

Brah! You game under corona, similar dynamics

 

[StrayDog]

I've noticed a bit of a cultural backlash on hookup culture with gen Z. Not so blatantly out there as with millennials. Probably goes hand in with their hyper consciousness of psychological terms, and mental health issues. This emphasis on depth and sincerity and communication in relationships. Which is all really valid. But not necessarily true that you can't create those kinds of connection quickly or in more transient affairs. Hook ups are always going to be somewhat riskier when it comes to those things. Where as long term pair bonding is seen as a bit of a safer bet.

On top of that, like like you and skills both noted, bad economy will always lead to more pair bonding, simply for utilities sake. Bad economy, equals less risk taking in general

Creates a feedback loop.

Doesn't mean people aren't hooking up. Just more social pressure to keep up cultural appearances. So hooking up is more low-key. And then when a gal gets a good man in her grasp she also more likely going to try to lock it down for said reasons above.

That's my take at least

So basically, yes girls are seeking boyfriends more than usual. But doesn't mean hooking up, or less traditional arrangements are off the table. DIscretion and comfort are some defining frames of this era of seduction.

 

[topcat]

Brah! You game under corona, similar dynamics

Nah there’s definitely a different tone to the way girls approach me and dww vs how they did in corona.

There’re a lot more girls bailing out for comfort really early in the game.
I’m sleeping with chicks faster and more consistently than i ever have right now (13/13 date to lays since January, no fumbles) but since last october I’ve been having girls hit me with the same “i need more comfort and i don’t get what i need from hookups” type texts when I go to schedule a second or third meet.

I would’ve considered it an anomaly until DWW started reporting the exact same behaviour this year.

Corona and now are very different in tone. Girls seem to be looking for comfort partners atm. They’ll sleep with you fast but only once, maybe 3 times, then they either push for comfort (push for activities etc.. 1 out of the 13) or ghost (majority) or send you a paragraph about how you’re nice but they need more and have changed their mind about hookups (a handful of them).

Odd behaviour i’ve never seen before.

 

[topcat]

less traditional arrangements

They aren't going for these as easily as they used to. From what i see they’re trying to negotiate boyfriend-lite versions of a casual relationship before things even get going.

They’re less open to “seeing where things go” or taking it in stride. One whiff of fuckboy and they preemptively bail out with a text about it’s nice but hookups don’t do it for me.

Unfortunately i’m not willing to do boyfriend-lite behaviours so early in order to retain a girl, when chicks were hopping into and remaining in my bed without complaint not a year ago..

My bet is on economic instability.

 

[StrayDog]

They aren't going for these as easily as they used to. From what i see they’re trying to negotiate boyfriend-lite versions of a casual relationship before things even get going.

They’re less open to “seeing where things go” or taking it in stride. One whiff of fuckboy and they preemptively bail out with a text about it’s nice but hookups don’t do it for me.

Unfortunately i’m not willing to do boyfriend-lite behaviours so early in order to retain a girl, when chicks were hopping into and remaining in my bed without complaint not a year ago..

My bet is on economic instability.

To be fair, I am doing nowhere near your 13/13 in 6 months, lay numbers, and have only had three consistent FWBs since 2023 . Most of which didn't last all that long. Two I cut off myself. Longest was about 6 months and she definitely bounced due to lack of commitment.

all other lays I've had have been 1-3 lays with girl before it's done. And I am coming in at exactly 10 lays since Jan 2023.

So my data points are limited.

The other issue here is that I'm broke af so ain't no girls trying to lock me down for economic reasons any way.

So I was really speaking to the general atmosphere/frames I have seen around dating/hookups lately. Beyond that I am not going to KJ

 

[Skills]

Nah there’s definitely a different tone to the way girls approach me and dww vs how they did in corona.

brah! I am saying similar to corona, when girls were trying to sugar daddy light and cuff context...

Corona and now are very different in tone. Girls seem to be looking for comfort partners atm. They’ll sleep with you fast but only once, maybe 3 times, then they either push for comfort (push for activities etc.. 1 out of the 13) or ghost (majority) or send you a paragraph about how you’re nice but they need more and have changed their mind about hookups (a handful of them).

Odd behaviour i’ve never seen before.

yes that part is a bit different from corona....(i said similar not identical)

 

[DoWhatWorks]

Thanks for all the contributions.

To talk solutions my theory is the “lock-in” phase IE 2 meet ups after the 1st lay is more important than before.

You have to avoid any F-boy vibes e.g. suggest meeting at a park, a bar or activity (I’m not willing to do this lol) until 3rd lay to go to strict FB dynamic.

In the past a high % of my lays would just come straight to mine 2nd meet but as things change I’ll adapt with it…

Will report back after field testing although girls are at the bottom of my priority list, surprisingly efficient ONS & LR with an occasional FB who stays on is also a viable strategy for me right now

 

[DarkKnight]

This is actually pretty logical you know when you go to poor countries you see chubby guys with hot girls. So with economic decline not that surprising but indeed important to note the shift.

 

[StrayDog]

You have to avoid any F-boy vibes e.g. suggest meeting at a park, a bar or activity (I’m not willing to do this lol) until 3rd lay to go to strict FB dynamic.

This makes a lot of sense. I've done this in the past with girls I've laid and got the sense they will bounce if I come across too fuck boy. Just to build comfort and confidence before continuing with business as usual. Even sometimes making it a quick meet and greet kind of date. We literally just hang out and get coffee for 20-30 minutes. Leave room for wanting. Then when we part ways, she is thinking about all the fun times and hits me up.

Curious to see what would happen making this a regular part of the routine, granted the climate right now.

 

[Regal Tiger]

I was starting to notice a change as well, specifically like what @topcat said about needing more comfort. Girls wanting to text more and before I started seeing someone a little more seriously I was wondering if I should text girls more than I normally do

Every now and again I'll get into a conversation with someone and, it could just be bias, but I'm definitely seeing a pattern that girls need more comfort in general or even boyfriend-y behaviors to stick around after sleeping together

Thought I was going crazy lol

 

[StrayDog]

I was starting to notice a change as well, specifically like what @topcat said about needing more comfort. Girls wanting to text more and before I started seeing someone a little more seriously I was wondering if I should text girls more than I normally do

Every now and again I'll get into a conversation with someone and, it could just be bias, but I'm definitely seeing a pattern that girls need more comfort in general or even boyfriend-y behaviors to stick around after sleeping together

Thought I was going crazy lol

I slept with this girl 3 times back in August last year. She used to be a prostitute back when she was 18-20 (she was 25 when I met her). She was doing the poly thing with some other partner when we met. After the second lay she started telling me how she expects more from her lovers these days. Basically looking for BF like behaviors. Was trying to get me out on more conventional dates, gunning for these high investment text exchanges.

Obviously this is just one data point but here is a girl who is very promiscuous. Already had a partner, and is still gunning for more support and comfort.

After we slept together one more time I had to clear that I wasn't exactly available for that at the moment.

I don't mind donating quasi boyfriend short term thing with a gal, cause I actually quite like a passionate fling. But I can't be doing that with every gal I meet. Plus 2 lays in is really quick to just ramp that up.

 

[topcat]

I slept with this girl 3 times back in August last year. She used to be a prostitute back when she was 18-20 (she was 25 when I met her). She was doing the poly thing with some other partner when we met. After the second lay she started telling me how she expects more from her lovers these days. Basically looking for BF like behaviors. Was trying to get me out on more conventional dates, gunning for these high investment text exchanges.

Obviously this is just one data point but here is a girl who is very promiscuous. Already had a partner, and is still gunning for more support and comfort.

After we slept together one more time I had to clear that I wasn't exactly available for that at the moment.

I don't mind donating quasi boyfriend short term thing with a gal, cause I actually quite like a passionate fling. But I can't be doing that with every gal I meet. Plus 2 lays in is really quick to just ramp that up.

Yep that’s basically the vibe. Even your run of the mill, independent hoe type who traditionally would have been just fine with the space and freedom of an fb arrangement “needs more”.

The polyamory girls are interesting now aswell, because for as you’ve seen, they seem to be hoarding bf types and ghosting the lovers.

I really hope this is temporary..

 

[Skills]

Lets not cope too much topcat and dww have been money maxing and you guys getting a bit older, prime years... Thominho had similar issues years ago... It has however as I said previously gotten amplify due to sky high price increases in housing and people broke... But attractive is attractive and female strategy is to contain, lets no go too crazy over this .. you need to adapt strategy, yea if comfort or more rope, or more bf percentage display then do that or vagueness....if the girl is not trying to cuff you or no auto rejecting at times means you are not that attractive anyway... Straydog please tell me you didn't use former pro as data point, just lol...

 

[StrayDog]

StrayDog please tell me you didn't use former pro as data point, just lol...

Did I say former prostitute. I meant former barista. Damnit, the the Internet is forever

 

[Warped Mindless]

Just my personal experience but women are just as easy as ever to fuck but many of them are becoming more needy. They want more text, more calls, more time spent… even in purely casual relationships (fuck buddies) in many cases.

Non monogamy is also huge now. There is a huge uptick in guys who want to watch other men fuck their GFs and wives.

There is a swinger club I go to on occasion that has lots of younger college couples and it’s so incredibly easy to fuck a couple women there everytime as long as you are cool with their BF watching. It’s like hitting the easy button. Don’t even need good logistics because they have rooms and beds there in the club lol

 

[Skills]

Just my personal experience but women are just as easy as ever to fuck but many of them are becoming more needy. They want more text, more calls, more time spent… even in purely casual relationships (fuck buddies) in many cases.

Non monogamy is also huge now. There is a huge uptick in guys who want to watch other men fuck their GFs and wives.

There is a swinger club I go to on occasion that has lots of younger college couples and it’s so incredibly easy to fuck a couple women there everytime as long as you are cool with their BF watching. It’s like hitting the easy button. Don’t even need good logistics because they have rooms and beds there in the club lol

just special nitpick, you can not use sample size of a swing club population, to come to the conclusion "non monogamy" is huge now, again in bad economic times people will tend to cuff specially in major metropolitan cities such as Miami, ny, london were rents are housing sky high....

Let me give an example of why this happens for all of you, lets say a girl lost her job, or a girl house payment or rent payment increased, or girls about to break up with partner live in (it could be coming in the future and not present as well)..... She may get into a fight or flight response looking for security.... If she has a fb or prospect or orbiter, she will inderectly will bring up couple of times subtle cuffing up, so they can live together and share expense or she can move in..... Her hierarchy of needs goes to security first....... ----> this is kind of a water down reasonsing why women during corona, or recession times start changing strategies.... @DarkKnight has the right idea...

Women are easier now (i have said this in all of my yearly reviews) but less consistently available, for example in clubs they are inconsistantly coming out or clubs closing down(again i blame it on economy tbh), less tourist etc....in online you are competing with more guys.... But yes agree in general women easy, but more scarce quality wise depending on game... By the way all of these there are ways around it, i am just bringing up the context of op...

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