Are men getting better at game? Are average men a threat to seducers?

[Searcher]

Lately I have noticed that with all the dating resources, almost allen are aware of not being a "simp" and general idea of pick-up.

This presents two questions.

1) Is it getting more competitive to get women?

2) With most men almost always discussing about getting women by anyway possible (AMOG's), is it better to consider all men you encounter as a competition for women and not a wingman?

 

[Chase]

@Sully,

The awareness of game in the general population is at a very low level.

I briefly tried my hand at Twitter earlier this year (briefly). In that time I made a list of all the big Twitter accounts that talk about game, seduction, man stuff, etc. The only ones with actually good technical tips are tiny with very few followers. All the big ones are filled with extremely basic advice and "man aspirational" stuff -- ego-stroking stuff like "A strong man demands respect and ejects from his life anyone who won't give it", "Train your woman to give good blow jobs. She'll thank you for it", etc.

The seduction discussion on Reddit is similarly low level. Back in the early 2010s you could post technically excellent stuff on /r/seduction and get good discussions and lots of comments and upvotes, but now that stuff gets ignored or lampooned as too hard, too technical, too much "in your head" stuff, and so on. The vast majority of what gets upvoted there is stuff like "You need to be yourself -- your BEST self" and "Finally got my first lay ever from a girl I met through my friend group, thanks Seddit!" It's basically a big safespace for feel-good man advice and guys losing their virginity at this point.

The guys who are going around repeating these maxims are not a threat to any serious seducer.

In answer to your questions:

1) Is it getting more competitive to get women?

No.

It seems to be growing increasingly less competitive everywhere except on dating apps.

2) With most men almost always discussing about getting women by anyway possible (AMOG's), is it better to consider all men you encounter as a competition for women and not a wingman?

Most men should not be considered either competition OR worthwhile wingmen for you with women.

They are just a part of the environment, like chairs, tables, and light fixtures.

Talk to them if you're being social, but when it comes to stuff with women, with even basic seduction/social skills the average guy is not a factor at all.

Chase

 

[Teevster]

2) With most men almost always discussing about getting women by anyway possible (AMOG's), is it better to consider all men you encounter as a competition for women and not a wingman?

Always a potential annoyance, rarely a competition, never a wingman.

-Teevster

 

[Skills]

Lately I have noticed that with all the dating resources, almost allen are aware of not being a "simp" and general idea of pick-up.

This presents two questions.

1) Is it getting more competitive to get women?

2) With most men almost always discussing about getting women by anyway possible (AMOG's), is it better to consider all men you encounter as a competition for women and not a wingman?

1,- no even puas with all the knowledge are not even that good... But there are other factors:
- approach anxiety...
- red pill advice which is horrible.... (most men follow red pill not pua)
-not even online they are competing, yes easier to go online, but their profile are shit, with shit pictures, do not know how to interact....

2.- neither

here i talk about my experience trying to go picking up women with mrs. skills and what i saw guys doing trying to pick her up:

Socializing - Guys in general are shit in game and uncalibrated, my honest observations....

Guys as you know i have been trying to experiment in pulling a 3 some from cold approach, as i go out a lot of the girls get a bit intimidated when i know i have a girl with me, so i told the main go dance and flirt with other dudes, so they don't Autor eject.... I have also seen form women...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[Will_V]

Lately I have noticed that with all the dating resources, almost allen are aware of not being a "simp" and general idea of pick-up.

This presents two questions.

1) Is it getting more competitive to get women?

2) With most men almost always discussing about getting women by anyway possible (AMOG's), is it better to consider all men you encounter as a competition for women and not a wingman?

You're making the mistake of thinking that awareness of redpill stuff makes men more competitive at getting women. This is not the case at all and probably even works against them, since the awareness of harsh truths usually makes people more resentful and ego-protective than it helps guide them to anything useful. And there's nothing that drives women away faster than bitterness and resentment, regardless of what it is aimed at, because what it says is 'I'm under threat'.

Just look at the average redpill youtuber. Looks annoying, sounds annoying, highly defensive, more interested in beefing with fellow virgins, and very unlikely to do anything ambitious to get a high quality woman. Whenever I see them actually interact with women, they come across 10x more emotional and triggered than her, do zero flirting or vibing, just arguing loudly like some kind of domestic dispute at the local trailer park and ramming their red pill talking points down her throat. They are highly incentivized for views and clicks to orchestrate some shitshow where nobody learns anything but everybody feels like some kind of glee and satisfaction.

After absorbing a load of that, how skillful do you think the average audience member is going to be at going out and dealing with real women? If he had any capability or understanding to begin with, it's probably buried under loads of nonsense 'rules' now.

Personally, I think the red pill in general is ruining guys, not helping them. There are a very few dudes out there I like for certain redpill perspectives but I can't think of any off the top of my head who I would want to learn seduction from.

 

[DarkKnight]

I met a guy who is probably epitome of red pill on paper has everything . Good fundamentals, muscular body, cool lifestyle. But the guy was not smooth enough and I can sense this, I can sense that he needs to ladderclimb still that a certain vibe is missing.

We seducers have an x factor these people cannot really touch because like Chase mentions the guys seem to have a "build and they will come" mentality. And a lot of mental masturbation status jockeying not even being able to talk to a new girl and be smooth...

This guy first started off competitively but I befriended him and he became chill, but I could still sense the status jockeying thing going on and it is uncool.

 

[POB]

Older guys (over 40 crowd): dress like shit, no social skills, very awkward socially
Middle aged (30sh crowd): still live with parents, or divorced and into red pill, will jump from LTR to LTR (safety reason bc it avoids rejection)
Young crowd (<30): a bunch of tik-tokers glued to their phones, no real life skills

There's virtually NO competition out there.
Red pill gave those guys the illusion of control.
But they have no control over their sex lives.

 

[POB]

P.S. Grinding at life and money is a VERY DIFFERENT skillset than learning seduction.
This is something the red pill gets backward all the time.

 

[Warped Mindless]

Been doing this since 2006 and men are even worse now than they were way back then. That said, the women are worse now too.

 

[Kaida]

That said, the women are worse now too.

Worse now at seducing men or worse quality in general?

 

[Warped Mindless]

Worse now at seducing men or worse quality in general?

Low quality.

 

[Conquistador]

Low quality.

Not both?

 

[Spyce D]

So, I don't live in west but here is my take.

In my country General personality development , Vanilla dating advice , Celibacy , Red pill , career over women , women-bad type of videos are 1000x famous than pickup videos .

But ....there are some puas who are aggressively increasing their youtube subscribers but they sold their soul A.K.A they shifted to overall personality development .

Generally My fellow countrymen are either nerds, virgins or similiar to this .

The only real threat to us puas here are police , getting beaten up .lol.

Other men . Bah!

Majority of them can't get laid for the sake of getting laid .

Arranged marriages saves the day

 

[Conquistador]

Arranged marriages saves the day

It’s interesting to note that in the West, until the Second Industrial Revolution, although middle and upper class marriages weren’t necessarily arranged strictly speaking, courtship was largely run and regulated by the matriarchy.

 

[ulrich]

It’s interesting to note that in the West, until the Second Industrial Revolution, although middle and upper class marriages weren’t necessarily arranged strictly speaking, courtship was largely run and regulated by the matriarchy.

How so?

 

[Conquistador]

How so?

Of course it varied from society to society, but the defining characteristic of middle and upper class courtship was that instead of going out on dates, men interacted with women, often at her home, under the auspices of mothers and chaperones. While the forms changed from period to period and between societies, this is basically how “respectable” (i.e. culturally influential) people courted.

 

[ulrich]

That’s quite interesting @Surveyor

 

[Spyce D]

Lately I have noticed that with all the dating resources, almost allen are aware of not being a "simp" and general idea of pick-up.

This presents two questions.

1) Is it getting more competitive to get women?

2) With most men almost always discussing about getting women by anyway possible (AMOG's), is it better to consider all men you encounter as a competition for women and not a wingman?

Well.... Fitness advice is in abundance , finance + business advice is in abundance , travelling advice is in abundance .......but how many are applying what they read or watch .

Most men simply use it an infotainment ...

Otherwise ......every other guy would have become olympic level athlete + millionaire + travelling all the exotic locales .

Learning game takes a lot of effort .

 

[RedNeck]

Quit honestly, I do find most people are not good at anything or consider them as a competition:
The majority of people are overweight
The majority of people are not fit
The majority of people are not well-educated or well travel .... and the list can go on and on.

 

[SteelbookCollector]

well i think worse, since research and studies say young men are having a lot less sex in the 21st century for the past few years, there is a rise of lonely single men.