Are men getting better at game? Are average men a threat to seducers?

[rockstar]

I'm not that old and have no idea what things were like 15 years ago. I agree that most guys are very unaware of game and I think social skills are getting worse if anything. There are a couple areas that I think are getting more competitive though:
1. Dating Apps. Anybody I meet who used these back in the mid-2010's say they're much harder now. In competitive, big cities a lot of guys have professional-looking pics, good fashion, hobby and travel pics, etc. I'm still able to out-compete men more attractive than me with the right pics and not-bad texting, but a lot of men are putting effort into this area. I feel like people talk more about textgame than in-person game these days.
2. Fitness and Looks. Ime, I feel like gym culture has been growing for a while, and more and more guys are thinking about their fashion. Sure, statistically, obesity is worse than ever, but I feel like there are also more ripped guys than ever these days as well.
3. I don't really think guys have good game in general, but I do feel like things like having boundaries, having a spine, not completely capitulating to everything a girl wants, not spending too much money on women, not being a nice guy, not being boring, making sure to flirt/make moves and not being too passive, etc, are pretty common themes in mainstream discussions.

I don't think average men are a really a threat at all, but I do wonder if there is growing "income inequality" in this space, especially for casual relations and hotter women. Almost all of the (admittedly few) guys I've known who really hit it out of the park dating/sex-wise are doing social circle-type things, some with a sort of fame/big social media component.

 

[Blue Eyed Bull]

well i think worse, since research and studies say young men are having a lot less sex in the 21st century for the past few years, there is a rise of lonely single men.

Exactly. The pie is getting smaller so to speak. People are just more lonely in general and that includes sexual relationships. So there is actually no competition in the vast swathes of population. Many young men actually prefer porn to real interactions. Many women are lonely and rarely or never get hit on.

Social dynamics has cooled down considerably in the last ten years. Especially since COVID. Some might see it as an opportunity, but I don't. Social interactions got lamer and are not as enjoyable anymore.

There is a good Chinese proverb: "beware what you wish for, because it might come true."

Ten years ago we were competing with my mates. And it kept us sharp, energetic and on the edge. Competition infused social dynamics with energy and vitality. It was fucking enjoyable. You lost some but won some more because our competitive energy made the pie ten times larger. And it taught me a lesson. You win some, you lose some, but life is good. And when it comes to women, winning once is really enough. More winning is just a super enjoyable adventure. Women were orgasming, we felt like kings and nobody went hungry.

Now everything seems so stolid I wouldn't even bother. I would probably get a few FWB on call and call it a day. But that is really not how it is supposed to be. You should eventually get a wife, have children and go on with it. It feels like GenZers are inching closer to mouse utopia. And I don't think PUAs are doing them any service here.

 

[SteelbookCollector]

Exactly. The pie is getting smaller so to speak. People are just more lonely in general and that includes sexual relationships. So there is actually no competition in the vast swathes of population. Many young men actually prefer porn to real interactions. Many women are lonely and rarely or never get hit on.

Social dynamics has cooled down considerably in the last ten years. Especially since COVID. Some might see it as an opportunity, but I don't. Social interactions got lamer and are not as enjoyable anymore.

There is a good Chinese proverb: "beware what you wish for, because it might come true."

Ten years ago we were competing with my mates. And it kept us sharp, energetic and on the edge. Competition infused social dynamics with energy and vitality. It was fucking enjoyable. You lost some but won some more because our competitive energy made the pie ten times larger. And it taught me a lesson. You win some, you lose some, but life is good. And when it comes to women, winning once is really enough. More winning is just a super enjoyable adventure. Women were orgasming, we felt like kings and nobody went hungry.

Now everything seems so stolid I wouldn't even bother. I would probably get a few FWB on call and call it a day. But that is really not how it is supposed to be. You should eventually get a wife, have children and go on with it. It feels like GenZers are inching closer to mouse utopia. And I don't think PUAs are doing them any service here.

for a long time, i've heard that 25 is the magic age number for when it is no longer socially acceptable for someone to still be a virgin, many people say that infamous movie with Steve Carrell, is an insult, mockery to people who have not had sex by the time they've reached 25.

I'm sure that in the present times, and won't surprise me if it gets worse, if it becomes the norm or just more common than it used to be, for guys, men, to remain a virgin past 25.