NOTE: I labelled this as LR+, because it describes having sex with two new women independently, and then afterwards having sex with them simultaneously, so they're not technically new by the time we have simultaneous sex (so not a LR++).
PEOPLE
Me: 5'11" Asian, works in law
Girl A: 5'5", Indian, Interior Designer, a bit bubbly when she gets to know you
Girl B: 5'8", Brazilian, Pension Fund Finance, very tall and skinny, a bit more reserved
BACKGROUND
I've been slowing down on Cold Approach recently, reducing random volume, and focusing on girls who are either (A) really hot, (B) can offer me some emotional fulfillment, or in this case (C) offer something novel
THE MEET/CLOSE (Girl A)
I'm exploring the museum one day, and I see a stylish Indian girl checking out a piece of art. I sidle up next to her, and ask her opinion on the artwork. After her response, I give my response, then I compliment her on her outfit. We chit chat for a bit, before I ask her if she wants to grab a coffee with me sometime. She says sure, we chit chat a bit more, and then we say goodbye.
FIRST DATE (Girl A)
We meet on a Saturday afternoon in a Tapas bar. The conversation is surprisingly better than expected. I've been redecorating my apartment recently, so I have a lot to talk about with her profession (interior design). She's impressed with my knowledge of different styles and things that go well together. I show her a picture of my place, and say "you have to see it sometime
", and she's impressed. At the end of the date, I ask her if she wants to have a drink at my place. She surprises me by saying she would love to, but she's actually flying to Europe tomorrow, and needs to go to sleep early. I try to convince her a bit more, but I don't push it.
Afterwards, we text a bit, but she basically ghosts me and falls off my radar totally.
SECOND MEET (Girl A)
Like 2+ years later, we run into each other again in a different museum. I act non-chalant with her (showing zero indication I was affected by her ghosting me), and just tell her how good it is to see her. She's very smiley with me, and I take this as a sign that the timing is more right this time. I suggest we catch up over coffee or something, which she happily agrees to. I ask for her schedule, and we pin the upcoming Sunday afternoon.
SECOND DATE (Girl A)
We decide to meet at a coffee shop about 10 minutes from my apartment. The conversation is above-average but not spectacular. I think the first date years ago actually went better. Anyway, I can tell I need to do more successive bounces on her, so I suggest we get an ice cream, then I suggest we checkout a weird art exhibit right outside my apartment. Afterwards, we're literally right outside my apartment, I suggest she come up and have a drink of whiskey before she heads out to some important event, and she says sure. We go up, I play some music, serve her a drink, and chit-chat. After about 20 minutes or so, she suddenly announces she has to get going, so she gets up and gathers her things. At this point, I intuit that I need to push this forward somehow, otherwise our relationship is going to steadily decay into something platonic. So as she's leaving, I stand in front of her, and sort of stare at her. She asks me if I'm okay. I say slowly, "can I.... kiss you?". In response, she says smiles widely and laughs "no way!". I immediately and instinctively move closer to her, and then slowly kiss her lightly anyway, which she very readily receives. And then we kiss again before she leaves.
I break a few "rules" just then, but they seem appropriate in the circumstance:
- I almost never ask for permission to kiss a girl, as that shows lack of dominance and a lack of leading. But it seems appropriate in this case, as she previously alluded to some other guy, and I didn't want to seem like I was bulldozing over her potential concerns. And when I ask if I can kiss her, it isn't in a needy/pleading way. It's more of a Daniel Craig James Bond "I'm telling you I'm about to do this, and I'm curious how you're going to react" sort of way.
- There's another rule not to escalate unless you're going to go all way (to sex). In this case I escalated right before I knew she had something important to run off to. But I feel like I built the vibe up high enough, that if I didn't go for a kiss right then and there, we wouldn't see each other again, because she'd be wondering "what does this guy actually want? if we're just going to be boring platonic friends, it's not worth meeting up with him again".
THIRD DATE (Girl A)
I believe my previous read/actions were correct, because she agrees to another date pretty readily. I suggest a few spots, and throw the idea out that I haven't cooked foie gras in awhile, and ask if she was down for me to cook it at my place. She loves the idea. This is one of my favorite date ideas because we're already at my place, I can show off, and there's no need to bounce as we're already there. We agree to meet at the groceries nearby to pickup the ingredients. I like doing this for several reasons:
- we're meeting somewhere public and then going back to my place, so in her head she doesn't feel like she's just going directly to some dude's place (makes her feel less slutty about it)
- it creates some momentum to the date, where we're technically meeting at one place and bouncing
- buying some simple groceries together has a really good flow to it, where we can chit-chat a bit, and we also have a not particularly challenging task at hand to keep us occupied if we have nothing to talk about
So I cook the dish, pop some alcohol, it's all amazing, and she's impressed.
ESCALATION (Girl A)
We end up sitting on the couch together, a little awkward and silent as the vibe had cooled down for some reason. I keep caressing her thigh and smiling at her. This goes on for awhile until I start rubbing her through per panties. Pretty soon after, she tells me "let me get a condom". She goes over, grabs her bag, and hands a condom to me. At this point, I just take her to the bedroom and have sex. Sex was not bad. She's a bit on the passive side, but her vibe and the noises she makes are spot on and really turn me on.
KEYS TO THE LAY (Girl A)
- Playing the long game. Keep threads with girls open, always be polite, don't ever act butthurt, they might come back to surprise you *years* later.
- Hitting the escalation windows. Some of the margins were pretty tight on this:
- pulling her back to my place at the end of the second date, despite a looming time constraint and not having a particularly good reason to come back to my place
- kissing her at the end of the second date, rather than letting it hang in an awkward platonic no-man's land
- Moving at her pace. She just wasn't ready on the first or second date, but was ready on the second. It was really important that I not be pushy at all, as she had bad experiences with pushy guys in the past.
THE MEET (Girl B)
I'm walking home from work one day, and right outside my office building, I see a stylish Brazilian girl walking by. I exit the office quickly, walk next to her, and open with "Your outfit is quite stylish.... do you work in fashion?". She doesn't work in fashion, she actually works in Finance for a pension fund. We chit chat a bit about our shared industries, before I ask to exchange numbers and grab a coffee later.
FIRST DATE (Girl B)
We grab a coffee the following weekend. The conversation is above-average, but nothing extraordinary, with us joking about family stuff, talking about the city, etc. Interestingly, she's almost "anti-feminist" and very realist about things, i.e. she works in finance, and believes there aren't many women in upper management not because women are stupid or the company is sexist, but moreso because it's not a good deal for an intelligent woman to spend 10 stressful years making her way to partner, and coming out the end of the tunnel as a successful but single 35 year old woman. I like this about her.
BOUNCE (Girl B)
At some point, the conversation grows a bit stale, and I tell her I need to pick up some stuff from the CVS, and ask if she wants to accompany me, she agrees. She walks around with me while I pickup some stuff, and she herself grabs some dessert.
FIRST PULL (Girl B)
At the end of CVS, I suggest a previous idea I seeded before in the date "Would you like to checkout my apartment before you head back home? Perhaps I can offer you some of that whiskey I mentioned". She agrees. We go back to my apartment, and chit-chat for a little while. I notice that she's kind of on-edge at my place, not sitting down at all, and keeping some distance from me. At some point I figure "what the hell", and just move forward to kiss her. She's really awkward about it, and right afterwards declares that she needs to leave.
I text her the next day or so, and she seems evasive. But eventually suggests we meet up Friday at a spot near my apartment, which surprises me.
SECOND DATE (Girl B)
We meet at a cocktail bar near my apartment. She arrives 5 minutes early, is seated, drinking, and wearing a stunning black dress. The date goes pretty well, with lots of smiles, and lots of me touching her.
SECOND PULL (Girl B)
At the end I ask if she wants to hangout at my place, which she readily agrees to.
ESCALATION (Girl B)
Back at my place, I make us cocktails and we hangout on the couch. At some point, I kiss her, which she hungrily accepts. Then we lie down together. There's ZERO LMR. In fact, she's undressing me, and reaching into my pants first, I follow up by fingering her. She starts giving me a really good blow job. After 30-40 seconds of this, I lead her to the bedroom, and we undress a bit more. With my dick out, she grabs it, and pulls me closer to her. I'm honestly unsure what she's about to do--in one quick motion she pulls her panties to the side and pulls me inside her and I literally "fall into her" and I immediately start thrusting. This is the first time a girl's ever done that, and it was *super hot*. She was really good and really active in bed.
KEYS TO THE LAY (Girl B)
- not being pushy on the first date. I guess she has an internal "rule" not to have sex on the first date, but she was totally ready on the second date.
- matching her escalation speed. Compared to other girls, she was really ready to get right to sex, and me moving any slower would have made her feel slutty in comparison to me
- Having a sexually dominant/abundant vibe. This girl has a very high sex drive, is very attractive, and has been in serial relationships nearly her whole life. She chose to move forward with me because my whole vibe told her I would be able to handle her sexually, I would deftly handle all the escalation windows, and she would be able to get her sexual kick off without feeling dirty, without having to do any leading, and she knew I wasn't going to go all weird on her afterwards. She just got out of a relationship, and she's probably looking to have some fun, and doesn't want some new clingy guy.
This is where the LR gets interesting.
I meet girl A again for another date, during which, she asked "are you bisexual?". I replied "no, why?". She replied "oh, nothing, you just seemed to have a cool bisexual vibe". Sometime at the end of the date, I pulled on the earlier thread a bit. I asked her if she's bisexual, and if she's ever slept with a girl before. She said yes, she's mostly dated girls before, and she's been in a FFF threesome before, and wanted to try a FFM. She then volunteers on her own "if you have a girl in mind...". I reply "I might...".
The next week I meet girl B(who I previously also discovered is bisexual) at a restaurant and then back to my place to spend the night. After sex, I ask her "hey.... because you're bisexual... have you ever tried a threesome before?" She was surprisingly not too thrown off by the topic, and replied that she hadn't but she might be curious. I mentioned that I know another girl who's bisexual, and might be interested in meeting her. She says she'd be okay meeting the other girl, but didn't want me to get my hopes up, because she'd only do it if she was comfortable and feeling the vibe of the other girl. I said sure.
A few days later, I text girl A, saying I have a girl in mind who wants to meet her. Given that we haven't known each other for very long, I was expecting some difficult questions such as "so how long have you been seeing this other girl?" or "so you've been seeing this other girl concurrently while sleeping with me?". But instead, her questions are mostly around the other girl's appearance, vibe, etc.
I then text girl B again, saying girl A is also interested in meeting. So I open up a group thread and throw some suggestions for a Saturday afternoon brunch. At first I'm optimistic this is coming together, but then become dismayed when things slow down. We have about 48 hours until the proposed three person meeting, but girl B is really busy and fairly unresponsive to texts, and girl A is asking too many questions of girl B in the group thread. I got fairly frustrated here (but didn't show it at all to either of the girls), because neither of them understood just how delicate a 3-person interaction is! I wish they would have just been more amenable to the meet. Anyway, eventually, amazingly, everyone agrees to a meeting place/time. I feel like if we didn't meet at the proposed time, it would all fall apart (sort of like how when you escalate, you need to go all the way, otherwise the loss in momentum is irrecoverable).
FIRST DATE (Girl A+B)
We meet at this Mediterranean spot. I'm fairly nervously excited, as I'd never done anything like this before. I also harbor a huge feeling of exhilaration at doing something secretly sacrilegious. To the public, we're 2 girls and 1 guy meeting up, which most people would think is probably a couple + the girl's friend. But the truth is an order of magnitude more unique, uncommon, and forbidden We meet up and I pick a square table, where I'm sitting in the center with the two of them to my right and left. The date is... kind of awkward to be honest. The two of them don't have instant chemistry, and so it's a lot of boring talk where I tell girl A a bit more about girl B, or vice-versa. Also girl A is fairly quiet around new people, which was a concern I had going in.
At the end of brunch, I pay the bill, and then I make a mistake: I tell girl B "Hey, so girl A and I usually like watching show X on Sundays at my place, you want to join?". She doesn't immediately respond positively, so I relieve her pressure a bit with "or... we could take a walk around the river". She replies with "how about we grab another drink". I say sure. This was a mistake for a few reasons:
- I put girl B on the spot with lots of pressure in front of 2 people, girl A and me.
- Going into this, the vibe was ambiguous, it could have been me and girl B going after girl A, or me and girl A going after girl B. But by asking it in a way that assumed girl A was already in agreement with me, it made girl B feel like an outsider, and the one being pursued
- considering the brunch wasn't anything spectacular, and there was definitely no sexual tension there, it was too early to pull both of them home
So anyway, we grab a drink nearby, but girl B quickly says she needs to go home afterwards. At this point I feel like the whole thing has fallen apart. But I followup text girl B, and ask her how she thinks it went, and ask if she wants to try again. She asks how I think it went, I say I think it went fine, but girl A is a bit quiet around new people, and I'll try to spice the vibe up next time. Surprisingly she agrees to try again, and proposes the evening the following Sunday. So I ping the group thread again and arrange a second dinner date.
SECOND DATE (Girl A+B)
We meet at this Italian wine bar, both girls are dressed stunningly, much better than they ever dress for me alone! I didn't know what the seating arrangement was going to be, but it ended up being very ideal. We were seated outside on a warm summer night. It was a fairly small rectangular table, where the people sitting next to each other(the two of them) were almost touching. I sat on the opposite side facing both of them. This date goes much better. The food is better, the waiter is more flirtatious (perhaps gay, and I suspect he suspected the true nature of our triad), the girls are laughing together and touching each other more playfully. I spice up the conversation by talking about their past bisexual experiences. We end the night with this amazing Tiramisu and some dessert wine that left us all in a great mood.
SECOND DATE BOUNCE+PULL (Girl A+B)
After dinner, I suggest we checkout this speakeasy bar/lounge right near my apartment to try out an amazing cocktail I was telling them about. They both say sure, so we walk there. When we're there, we order the cocktail and chit-chat some more. The vibe is great and everyone's having a great time, so I suggest we extend the night with some more drinks back at my apartment. Girl B is down, but girl A is hesitant, and girl B actually touches girl A on the shoulder and talks about how chill the vibe is at my place. There's something beautiful about the mutual energy between these girls, it's really complicated seducing two girls at once, but sometimes they help you out and you feel like you have a female wingman that you're also going to fuck later on!
ESCALATION (Girl A+B)
Back at my place, I put on some music, and make some whiskey cocktails for the two of them, while they take turns freshening up in the restroom, which I find so funny for some reason--their vibe is almost like that of two close sisters, which makes the coming taboo act even more appealing to me.
This is my first 2-girl escalation, so it's fairly new/exciting to me. Beforehand, I actually read Alek Rothstad's How to have a Threesome post to get some ideas. In it, he suggests taking both the girls hands and putting them on your crotch, or sort of pushing the girls together so they kiss each other and you. The way I ended up doing it was:
- I got girl A to sit on the couch in between me and girl B
- I scooch us all close together
- I reach behind girl A to grab girl B's hand, and we mutually massage girl A's shoulders
- After a bit of this, I say I'm going to turn down the lights a bit, and walk very slowly to give them a lot of time together
- By the time I'm back, they're making out, and it's super straight forward going from here to the threesome
SEX (Girl A+B)
There are so many different configurations in a FFM threesome, and we cycle through all the major ones I can think of. It's fairly complex and interesting to find positions that work for all parties' preferences. Girl A is more submissive and a "pillow princess". Girl B is more dominant and active. Things we did:
- me behind and inside girl B, while girl B was eating out girl A
- me behind and inside girl A, while girl B was kissing and choking girl A, and girl B would occasionally pull my dick out to suck me before putting it back into girl A
- both girls missionary facing each other, and me switching which girl I was in
- both girls in doggy position, me switching between which girl I'm in, and fingering the other (my favorite)
- me lying down, one girl riding my dick, one girl riding my face, both girls kissing and fondling each other
- both girls giving me a blowjob while making out with each other
AFTER SEX (Girl A+B)
At the end of all this, I finish while both of them are simultaneously giving me a blowjob (can't play favorites, need to be equal!). We then hang around my apartment for a bit, before both of them leave, with super wide smiles.
KEYS TO THE LAY (Girl A+B)
- Just being at the top of my game. Coordinating and seducing 2 girls simultaneously is exponentially harder than 1. I use years of seduction experience to keep the seduction flowing, deal with obstacles/objections, and not miss any escalation windows while also not being too pushy. I make a mistake or two, but overall I run extremely tight game. It's really interesting to watch the power dynamics shift drastically in such a situation. With both girls, they both hold the power before I sleep with them, deciding if/when we have sex. And then after I sleep with them I hold the power on deciding if/when we see each other again. But then when I try to arrange the threesome they both hold the power again because they can reject the threesome at any time. So I really have to "re-seduce" the two of them again all over. This kind of puts it all in perspective, and makes future single-girl seductions seem easier in comparison.
- Being absolutely non-judgmental. Both girls feel comfortable sharing that they were bisexual with me, and feel comfortable sharing their sexual fantasies with me, and feel comfortable having a threesome with me, without fear of me judging them or making them feel slutty afterwards. I compare this to the years ago me, who these same girls would have told me they don't have sex until a committed monogamous relationship.
- Being a sexually dominant guy. Although most girls might want to try a FFM threesome, they definitely don't want to do it with a guy who isn't extremely sexually dominant. They want a guy who will be able to handle two girls, and they're afraid the experience will be weird/underwhelming. It's really critical that both these girls know I'm very sexually experienced, and both know I stay hard forever from first hand experience and would be able to handle 2 girls. It also helps that I'm into BDSM rope tying, so they know I'm comfortable with more advanced sexual situations.
- Not being attached to the outcome. Although internally I really hoped this would happen, externally I AS-MUCH-AS-POSSIBLE acted like "it'd be cool, but it's really no big deal" whenever I could.
REFLECTION
A few years ago, I read Francesco's article The 4 Stages of Street Cold Approach, and it said one of the benefits of becoming an intermediate street cold approacher is that you "get into threesomes and other dirty stuff". I distinctly remember reading that, and thinking "how does Cold Approach lead to threesomes? It's just another funnel for meeting more women". I understand now perfectly. Learning Cold Approach is the hardest and most rewarding funnel for meeting women.
- It continuously refines your seduction game to its sharpest, because the margins are so small. Girls you meet off the street just disappear at a second's notice, much different than the "captive audience" you have for a dating app date.
- Cold Approach also sets the maximally dominant frame from the get-go, because you're a man with serious balls who meets random stranger women in real life and seduces them to bed. What could possibly be more manly?
The combination of tip-top game and a maximally sexually dominant frame mean girls are open to wildly different situations with you. You're very very very obviously a man of a different sexual calibre, which bleeds through every moment they spend with you, so they think it's both safe and worth it to try something crazy like a threesome with you.
Threesomes are awesome. In terms of how it boosts my confidence and overall sense of well-being, it's pretty similar to the first time I had sex.
PEOPLE
Me: 5'11" Asian, works in law
Girl A: 5'5", Indian, Interior Designer, a bit bubbly when she gets to know you
Girl B: 5'8", Brazilian, Pension Fund Finance, very tall and skinny, a bit more reserved
BACKGROUND
I've been slowing down on Cold Approach recently, reducing random volume, and focusing on girls who are either (A) really hot, (B) can offer me some emotional fulfillment, or in this case (C) offer something novel
THE MEET/CLOSE (Girl A)
I'm exploring the museum one day, and I see a stylish Indian girl checking out a piece of art. I sidle up next to her, and ask her opinion on the artwork. After her response, I give my response, then I compliment her on her outfit. We chit chat for a bit, before I ask her if she wants to grab a coffee with me sometime. She says sure, we chit chat a bit more, and then we say goodbye.
FIRST DATE (Girl A)
We meet on a Saturday afternoon in a Tapas bar. The conversation is surprisingly better than expected. I've been redecorating my apartment recently, so I have a lot to talk about with her profession (interior design). She's impressed with my knowledge of different styles and things that go well together. I show her a picture of my place, and say "you have to see it sometime
", and she's impressed. At the end of the date, I ask her if she wants to have a drink at my place. She surprises me by saying she would love to, but she's actually flying to Europe tomorrow, and needs to go to sleep early. I try to convince her a bit more, but I don't push it.Afterwards, we text a bit, but she basically ghosts me and falls off my radar totally.
SECOND MEET (Girl A)
Like 2+ years later, we run into each other again in a different museum. I act non-chalant with her (showing zero indication I was affected by her ghosting me), and just tell her how good it is to see her. She's very smiley with me, and I take this as a sign that the timing is more right this time. I suggest we catch up over coffee or something, which she happily agrees to. I ask for her schedule, and we pin the upcoming Sunday afternoon.
SECOND DATE (Girl A)
We decide to meet at a coffee shop about 10 minutes from my apartment. The conversation is above-average but not spectacular. I think the first date years ago actually went better. Anyway, I can tell I need to do more successive bounces on her, so I suggest we get an ice cream, then I suggest we checkout a weird art exhibit right outside my apartment. Afterwards, we're literally right outside my apartment, I suggest she come up and have a drink of whiskey before she heads out to some important event, and she says sure. We go up, I play some music, serve her a drink, and chit-chat. After about 20 minutes or so, she suddenly announces she has to get going, so she gets up and gathers her things. At this point, I intuit that I need to push this forward somehow, otherwise our relationship is going to steadily decay into something platonic. So as she's leaving, I stand in front of her, and sort of stare at her. She asks me if I'm okay. I say slowly, "can I.... kiss you?". In response, she says smiles widely and laughs "no way!". I immediately and instinctively move closer to her, and then slowly kiss her lightly anyway, which she very readily receives. And then we kiss again before she leaves.
I break a few "rules" just then, but they seem appropriate in the circumstance:
- I almost never ask for permission to kiss a girl, as that shows lack of dominance and a lack of leading. But it seems appropriate in this case, as she previously alluded to some other guy, and I didn't want to seem like I was bulldozing over her potential concerns. And when I ask if I can kiss her, it isn't in a needy/pleading way. It's more of a Daniel Craig James Bond "I'm telling you I'm about to do this, and I'm curious how you're going to react" sort of way.
- There's another rule not to escalate unless you're going to go all way (to sex). In this case I escalated right before I knew she had something important to run off to. But I feel like I built the vibe up high enough, that if I didn't go for a kiss right then and there, we wouldn't see each other again, because she'd be wondering "what does this guy actually want? if we're just going to be boring platonic friends, it's not worth meeting up with him again".
THIRD DATE (Girl A)
I believe my previous read/actions were correct, because she agrees to another date pretty readily. I suggest a few spots, and throw the idea out that I haven't cooked foie gras in awhile, and ask if she was down for me to cook it at my place. She loves the idea. This is one of my favorite date ideas because we're already at my place, I can show off, and there's no need to bounce as we're already there. We agree to meet at the groceries nearby to pickup the ingredients. I like doing this for several reasons:
- we're meeting somewhere public and then going back to my place, so in her head she doesn't feel like she's just going directly to some dude's place (makes her feel less slutty about it)
- it creates some momentum to the date, where we're technically meeting at one place and bouncing
- buying some simple groceries together has a really good flow to it, where we can chit-chat a bit, and we also have a not particularly challenging task at hand to keep us occupied if we have nothing to talk about
So I cook the dish, pop some alcohol, it's all amazing, and she's impressed.
ESCALATION (Girl A)
We end up sitting on the couch together, a little awkward and silent as the vibe had cooled down for some reason. I keep caressing her thigh and smiling at her. This goes on for awhile until I start rubbing her through per panties. Pretty soon after, she tells me "let me get a condom". She goes over, grabs her bag, and hands a condom to me. At this point, I just take her to the bedroom and have sex. Sex was not bad. She's a bit on the passive side, but her vibe and the noises she makes are spot on and really turn me on.
KEYS TO THE LAY (Girl A)
- Playing the long game. Keep threads with girls open, always be polite, don't ever act butthurt, they might come back to surprise you *years* later.
- Hitting the escalation windows. Some of the margins were pretty tight on this:
- pulling her back to my place at the end of the second date, despite a looming time constraint and not having a particularly good reason to come back to my place
- kissing her at the end of the second date, rather than letting it hang in an awkward platonic no-man's land
- Moving at her pace. She just wasn't ready on the first or second date, but was ready on the second. It was really important that I not be pushy at all, as she had bad experiences with pushy guys in the past.
THE MEET (Girl B)
I'm walking home from work one day, and right outside my office building, I see a stylish Brazilian girl walking by. I exit the office quickly, walk next to her, and open with "Your outfit is quite stylish.... do you work in fashion?". She doesn't work in fashion, she actually works in Finance for a pension fund. We chit chat a bit about our shared industries, before I ask to exchange numbers and grab a coffee later.
FIRST DATE (Girl B)
We grab a coffee the following weekend. The conversation is above-average, but nothing extraordinary, with us joking about family stuff, talking about the city, etc. Interestingly, she's almost "anti-feminist" and very realist about things, i.e. she works in finance, and believes there aren't many women in upper management not because women are stupid or the company is sexist, but moreso because it's not a good deal for an intelligent woman to spend 10 stressful years making her way to partner, and coming out the end of the tunnel as a successful but single 35 year old woman. I like this about her.
BOUNCE (Girl B)
At some point, the conversation grows a bit stale, and I tell her I need to pick up some stuff from the CVS, and ask if she wants to accompany me, she agrees. She walks around with me while I pickup some stuff, and she herself grabs some dessert.
FIRST PULL (Girl B)
At the end of CVS, I suggest a previous idea I seeded before in the date "Would you like to checkout my apartment before you head back home? Perhaps I can offer you some of that whiskey I mentioned". She agrees. We go back to my apartment, and chit-chat for a little while. I notice that she's kind of on-edge at my place, not sitting down at all, and keeping some distance from me. At some point I figure "what the hell", and just move forward to kiss her. She's really awkward about it, and right afterwards declares that she needs to leave.
I text her the next day or so, and she seems evasive. But eventually suggests we meet up Friday at a spot near my apartment, which surprises me.
SECOND DATE (Girl B)
We meet at a cocktail bar near my apartment. She arrives 5 minutes early, is seated, drinking, and wearing a stunning black dress. The date goes pretty well, with lots of smiles, and lots of me touching her.
SECOND PULL (Girl B)
At the end I ask if she wants to hangout at my place, which she readily agrees to.
ESCALATION (Girl B)
Back at my place, I make us cocktails and we hangout on the couch. At some point, I kiss her, which she hungrily accepts. Then we lie down together. There's ZERO LMR. In fact, she's undressing me, and reaching into my pants first, I follow up by fingering her. She starts giving me a really good blow job. After 30-40 seconds of this, I lead her to the bedroom, and we undress a bit more. With my dick out, she grabs it, and pulls me closer to her. I'm honestly unsure what she's about to do--in one quick motion she pulls her panties to the side and pulls me inside her and I literally "fall into her" and I immediately start thrusting. This is the first time a girl's ever done that, and it was *super hot*. She was really good and really active in bed.
KEYS TO THE LAY (Girl B)
- not being pushy on the first date. I guess she has an internal "rule" not to have sex on the first date, but she was totally ready on the second date.
- matching her escalation speed. Compared to other girls, she was really ready to get right to sex, and me moving any slower would have made her feel slutty in comparison to me
- Having a sexually dominant/abundant vibe. This girl has a very high sex drive, is very attractive, and has been in serial relationships nearly her whole life. She chose to move forward with me because my whole vibe told her I would be able to handle her sexually, I would deftly handle all the escalation windows, and she would be able to get her sexual kick off without feeling dirty, without having to do any leading, and she knew I wasn't going to go all weird on her afterwards. She just got out of a relationship, and she's probably looking to have some fun, and doesn't want some new clingy guy.
This is where the LR gets interesting.
I meet girl A again for another date, during which, she asked "are you bisexual?". I replied "no, why?". She replied "oh, nothing, you just seemed to have a cool bisexual vibe". Sometime at the end of the date, I pulled on the earlier thread a bit. I asked her if she's bisexual, and if she's ever slept with a girl before. She said yes, she's mostly dated girls before, and she's been in a FFF threesome before, and wanted to try a FFM. She then volunteers on her own "if you have a girl in mind...". I reply "I might...".
The next week I meet girl B(who I previously also discovered is bisexual) at a restaurant and then back to my place to spend the night. After sex, I ask her "hey.... because you're bisexual... have you ever tried a threesome before?" She was surprisingly not too thrown off by the topic, and replied that she hadn't but she might be curious. I mentioned that I know another girl who's bisexual, and might be interested in meeting her. She says she'd be okay meeting the other girl, but didn't want me to get my hopes up, because she'd only do it if she was comfortable and feeling the vibe of the other girl. I said sure.
A few days later, I text girl A, saying I have a girl in mind who wants to meet her. Given that we haven't known each other for very long, I was expecting some difficult questions such as "so how long have you been seeing this other girl?" or "so you've been seeing this other girl concurrently while sleeping with me?". But instead, her questions are mostly around the other girl's appearance, vibe, etc.
I then text girl B again, saying girl A is also interested in meeting. So I open up a group thread and throw some suggestions for a Saturday afternoon brunch. At first I'm optimistic this is coming together, but then become dismayed when things slow down. We have about 48 hours until the proposed three person meeting, but girl B is really busy and fairly unresponsive to texts, and girl A is asking too many questions of girl B in the group thread. I got fairly frustrated here (but didn't show it at all to either of the girls), because neither of them understood just how delicate a 3-person interaction is! I wish they would have just been more amenable to the meet. Anyway, eventually, amazingly, everyone agrees to a meeting place/time. I feel like if we didn't meet at the proposed time, it would all fall apart (sort of like how when you escalate, you need to go all the way, otherwise the loss in momentum is irrecoverable).
FIRST DATE (Girl A+B)
We meet at this Mediterranean spot. I'm fairly nervously excited, as I'd never done anything like this before. I also harbor a huge feeling of exhilaration at doing something secretly sacrilegious. To the public, we're 2 girls and 1 guy meeting up, which most people would think is probably a couple + the girl's friend. But the truth is an order of magnitude more unique, uncommon, and forbidden
We meet up and I pick a square table, where I'm sitting in the center with the two of them to my right and left. The date is... kind of awkward to be honest. The two of them don't have instant chemistry, and so it's a lot of boring talk where I tell girl A a bit more about girl B, or vice-versa. Also girl A is fairly quiet around new people, which was a concern I had going in.At the end of brunch, I pay the bill, and then I make a mistake: I tell girl B "Hey, so girl A and I usually like watching show X on Sundays at my place, you want to join?". She doesn't immediately respond positively, so I relieve her pressure a bit with "or... we could take a walk around the river". She replies with "how about we grab another drink". I say sure. This was a mistake for a few reasons:
- I put girl B on the spot with lots of pressure in front of 2 people, girl A and me.
- Going into this, the vibe was ambiguous, it could have been me and girl B going after girl A, or me and girl A going after girl B. But by asking it in a way that assumed girl A was already in agreement with me, it made girl B feel like an outsider, and the one being pursued
- considering the brunch wasn't anything spectacular, and there was definitely no sexual tension there, it was too early to pull both of them home
So anyway, we grab a drink nearby, but girl B quickly says she needs to go home afterwards. At this point I feel like the whole thing has fallen apart. But I followup text girl B, and ask her how she thinks it went, and ask if she wants to try again. She asks how I think it went, I say I think it went fine, but girl A is a bit quiet around new people, and I'll try to spice the vibe up next time. Surprisingly she agrees to try again, and proposes the evening the following Sunday. So I ping the group thread again and arrange a second dinner date.
SECOND DATE (Girl A+B)
We meet at this Italian wine bar, both girls are dressed stunningly, much better than they ever dress for me alone! I didn't know what the seating arrangement was going to be, but it ended up being very ideal. We were seated outside on a warm summer night. It was a fairly small rectangular table, where the people sitting next to each other(the two of them) were almost touching. I sat on the opposite side facing both of them. This date goes much better. The food is better, the waiter is more flirtatious (perhaps gay, and I suspect he suspected the true nature of our triad), the girls are laughing together and touching each other more playfully. I spice up the conversation by talking about their past bisexual experiences. We end the night with this amazing Tiramisu and some dessert wine that left us all in a great mood.
SECOND DATE BOUNCE+PULL (Girl A+B)
After dinner, I suggest we checkout this speakeasy bar/lounge right near my apartment to try out an amazing cocktail I was telling them about. They both say sure, so we walk there. When we're there, we order the cocktail and chit-chat some more. The vibe is great and everyone's having a great time, so I suggest we extend the night with some more drinks back at my apartment. Girl B is down, but girl A is hesitant, and girl B actually touches girl A on the shoulder and talks about how chill the vibe is at my place. There's something beautiful about the mutual energy between these girls, it's really complicated seducing two girls at once, but sometimes they help you out and you feel like you have a female wingman that you're also going to fuck later on!
ESCALATION (Girl A+B)
Back at my place, I put on some music, and make some whiskey cocktails for the two of them, while they take turns freshening up in the restroom, which I find so funny for some reason--their vibe is almost like that of two close sisters, which makes the coming taboo act even more appealing to me.
This is my first 2-girl escalation, so it's fairly new/exciting to me. Beforehand, I actually read Alek Rothstad's How to have a Threesome post to get some ideas. In it, he suggests taking both the girls hands and putting them on your crotch, or sort of pushing the girls together so they kiss each other and you. The way I ended up doing it was:
- I got girl A to sit on the couch in between me and girl B
- I scooch us all close together
- I reach behind girl A to grab girl B's hand, and we mutually massage girl A's shoulders
- After a bit of this, I say I'm going to turn down the lights a bit, and walk very slowly to give them a lot of time together
- By the time I'm back, they're making out, and it's super straight forward going from here to the threesome
SEX (Girl A+B)
There are so many different configurations in a FFM threesome, and we cycle through all the major ones I can think of. It's fairly complex and interesting to find positions that work for all parties' preferences. Girl A is more submissive and a "pillow princess". Girl B is more dominant and active. Things we did:
- me behind and inside girl B, while girl B was eating out girl A
- me behind and inside girl A, while girl B was kissing and choking girl A, and girl B would occasionally pull my dick out to suck me before putting it back into girl A
- both girls missionary facing each other, and me switching which girl I was in
- both girls in doggy position, me switching between which girl I'm in, and fingering the other (my favorite)
- me lying down, one girl riding my dick, one girl riding my face, both girls kissing and fondling each other
- both girls giving me a blowjob while making out with each other
AFTER SEX (Girl A+B)
At the end of all this, I finish while both of them are simultaneously giving me a blowjob (can't play favorites, need to be equal!). We then hang around my apartment for a bit, before both of them leave, with super wide smiles.
KEYS TO THE LAY (Girl A+B)
- Just being at the top of my game. Coordinating and seducing 2 girls simultaneously is exponentially harder than 1. I use years of seduction experience to keep the seduction flowing, deal with obstacles/objections, and not miss any escalation windows while also not being too pushy. I make a mistake or two, but overall I run extremely tight game. It's really interesting to watch the power dynamics shift drastically in such a situation. With both girls, they both hold the power before I sleep with them, deciding if/when we have sex. And then after I sleep with them I hold the power on deciding if/when we see each other again. But then when I try to arrange the threesome they both hold the power again because they can reject the threesome at any time. So I really have to "re-seduce" the two of them again all over. This kind of puts it all in perspective, and makes future single-girl seductions seem easier in comparison.
- Being absolutely non-judgmental. Both girls feel comfortable sharing that they were bisexual with me, and feel comfortable sharing their sexual fantasies with me, and feel comfortable having a threesome with me, without fear of me judging them or making them feel slutty afterwards. I compare this to the years ago me, who these same girls would have told me they don't have sex until a committed monogamous relationship.
- Being a sexually dominant guy. Although most girls might want to try a FFM threesome, they definitely don't want to do it with a guy who isn't extremely sexually dominant. They want a guy who will be able to handle two girls, and they're afraid the experience will be weird/underwhelming. It's really critical that both these girls know I'm very sexually experienced, and both know I stay hard forever from first hand experience and would be able to handle 2 girls. It also helps that I'm into BDSM rope tying, so they know I'm comfortable with more advanced sexual situations.
- Not being attached to the outcome. Although internally I really hoped this would happen, externally I AS-MUCH-AS-POSSIBLE acted like "it'd be cool, but it's really no big deal" whenever I could.
REFLECTION
A few years ago, I read Francesco's article The 4 Stages of Street Cold Approach, and it said one of the benefits of becoming an intermediate street cold approacher is that you "get into threesomes and other dirty stuff". I distinctly remember reading that, and thinking "how does Cold Approach lead to threesomes? It's just another funnel for meeting more women". I understand now perfectly. Learning Cold Approach is the hardest and most rewarding funnel for meeting women.
- It continuously refines your seduction game to its sharpest, because the margins are so small. Girls you meet off the street just disappear at a second's notice, much different than the "captive audience" you have for a dating app date.
- Cold Approach also sets the maximally dominant frame from the get-go, because you're a man with serious balls who meets random stranger women in real life and seduces them to bed. What could possibly be more manly?
The combination of tip-top game and a maximally sexually dominant frame mean girls are open to wildly different situations with you. You're very very very obviously a man of a different sexual calibre, which bleeds through every moment they spend with you, so they think it's both safe and worth it to try something crazy like a threesome with you.
Threesomes are awesome. In terms of how it boosts my confidence and overall sense of well-being, it's pretty similar to the first time I had sex.
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