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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Last 3 months I did something different with my life, and stop cold approach completely.

Only after New Year I started cold approaching again. Thing is that I have no time for gaming (building business, fitness, social circle) so I only meet beautiful girl, like 8+. Specifically like this:
- If a girl is beautiful, approach.
- If a girl is not beautiful, only interact with her socially.
- If I don't know whether a girl is beautiful or not (7-8), then just interact with her socially and if she is beautiful shifting into seduction mode.

And beautiful girls talked with me.
Before I took the break, I was invisible to beautiful girls. Average girls, I can talk with. Below average girls, I can talk with and get dates. Unattractive girls, I can talk with, get dates, and get laid.
But beautiful girls, I can't do anything.

But when I got back, suddenly I can get into conversation with beautiful girls. No phone number so far, so it was like I was back to beginner level.
I can't pinpoint the reason why suddenly I can talk with beautiful girls, but it is a good starting point.
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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The key to improvement is to balance trying out new things and doing things that was proven to work.

One night I was going to the wrong coffee shop (same name but in different location). I said to myself "Give it a try" and just sat in there.
It turned out this coffee shop, initially sparse, did have beautiful girls visiting while I was sitting there.
Meeting a couple of them.

I used the same sequence on auto-pilot. Girls didn't laugh when I flirt.
I have to get in habit of getting investment and closing.
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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I came out for night game.

Specially I did the night time street game. 3 weeks ago I found some places with good looking girls, but it was too close to 2 a.m. so I only met a handful of girls and noted the address.

I went to these places and meet good looking girls. Usual stuffs:
- I met a girl kind of nice and I asked her to move with me and she turned it down.
- I met a girl who threw signs but then acting bitchy, in retrospect there was the recent How to Deal With Girls with Bad Attitude articles.
- I met a girl who hooked until she said she was a lesbian. I said "Give me a try" and things fizzed out.
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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At the gym, I had 3 girls giving approach invitation and I talked with 2 of them. I contributed it to clothes.

On the way I forgot the gym shirt so I did a hybrid: casual business polo, gym pants, black leather shoes, and this hybrid getting me more approach invitations compared to pure gym clothes.

With a girl she showed me the ring when I asked but she turned cold a minute later.
Currently with beautiful girls I had 3 small plateaus:
- Flirting
- Getting compliance / investment
- Number closing
Although I had done all of that with less attractive girls so some skills will transfer. Fundamentals are the bottleneck
 

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People at the gym go there to do things , so maybe you should tone down your socializing , and just hit her with a line like , I think you are a great person and would like to grab a coffee or go for a walk sometimes to get to know you better . She says yes , you ask for her number , she says no you just smile and do whatever you were doing .
Same things with girls walking , that are the mall , etc . Cut down your interaction to 2-3 minutes maximum and then ask for her number and text her after .
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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@BigPapa, appreciate your thought. I experimented with both:
- Short interactive style then getting number
- Longer interaction style and spending time with the girl
and each style had its pros and cons.

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Next part is very analytic, but representing my true thought.

At the coffee shop I met a girl and got a number. For a girl usually I put in 4 categories: A, B, C, and D:
- A: beautiful girls
- B: less beautiful girls, if I'm seen with her it is positive social proof
- C: unattractive girls, if I'm seen with her it is negative social proof
- D: unattractive and/or problematic girls
If I had all the time on the world I would just go after A, B, and C. Even for C girls my understanding increased when I had sex with them.
But seduction isn't my primary purpose, thus I choose the style of going only after A girls and mainly use the longer interaction style.

This girl was a B and the best girl in this coffee shop. Meeting her was optimal so I just came talking with her, having a long interaction and getting number.

For a night going out I had various choices. If I chose coffee shops then there were 2 paths:
1. Go to multiple coffee shops
2. Just pick a coffee shop and stay there the whole evening
Path 1 had money costs and time costs between travelling. I'd go with Path 1 if I was travelling to a new city for only a couple of days, and I needed to find out which coffee shops had beautiful girls.
Path 2 I usually do in my home city.
 

BigPapa

Space Monkey
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If I were you , I would talk with a,b and c . When you have things happening , you will act more smoother and will be more detached from the outcome .
After you have 1-2 c in your rooster , you can just say that ok now is only a and b . After you get 1-2 b in the rooster , you cut the ones that are c and focus only on getting an a .

basically what I am trying to say is that you should become more selective as you get results . If you do not have good results on the lower tiers it is very unlikely that you will have results on the higher ones , as the competition is tougher.

now ... switching between the tiers can take days , months , even years and has to do a lot with having top notch fundamentals :)
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Cool, I’ll consider it. In my experience meeting cute girls and being cordial did help with meeting beautiful girls.

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On changing strategy:
At work I met a beautiful girl. My philosophy was “don’t sh*t where I eat” so I just got to know her. I asked about her plan. She was going to get dinner, alone.

That might just be a socially accepted answer, but possible fact is that many beautiful girls are eating out alone.

Thus I started going out to diners
 

BigPapa

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One thing is a girl being friendly , and one thing is her being into you :) . But I agree , you are on the right track .

on your change of strategy , I believe that you are doing changes into your life that are around Meeting women , and I do not believe is the most healthiest mindset .

The most correct mindset would be that I am doing all this things because this is who I am and if I manage to talk with girls while I am doing whatever I am doing is the cherry on top .
For example , I am staying in a que for coffee for example because I want to drink a coffee , if it happens to be a cute girl in line or at a table that I want to talk with then is perfect , if not I would just do my thing .

My opinion is that you should open girls wherever you are , train , tube , street , park , coffee shop , etc

the funny thing is when you have this mindset you feel that it was fate that brought the 2 of you togheter and since you are feeling this , she also feels it and it does wonders seduction wise when both of you have the feeling that fate brought both of you togheter :)
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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For mindset it’s hard to tell because the effect of mindset will display itself after months. So I’m neither disagree or agree with you on this one.

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Ultimate direct opener working with cute girls at diners:
“You looked confident. What’s your name?”
And getting into conversations
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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There was the article, How to attract your type of girls, last week and it was deep.
Though I didn't know exactly which type of girls I wanted, hence the exploration. But I had some ideas.
I liked book smart girls so I went to the library.

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First day
Objective: just observing
Because I rarely went to library before, and it was in a place I had never going to before, so I had no knowledge about this venue.

I saw a guy saying, "Hi, how are you?" The girl responded: "Good, how about you?" and the guy said: "I'm good"
So I walked to the door. There was a girl came in. I said "Hi, how are you?" The girl responded: "Good, how about you?" and I said: "I'm good"
 

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For a night going out I had various choices. If I chose coffee shops then there were 2 paths:
1. Go to multiple coffee shops
2. Just pick a coffee shop and stay there the whole evening
Path 1 had money costs and time costs between travelling. I'd go with Path 1 if I was travelling to a new city for only a couple of days, and I needed to find out which coffee shops had beautiful girls.
Path 2 I usually do in my home city.

Hey man.

What's your process of coffee shop approaches? Do you just approach a girl every 30 minutes and wait until the people leave and then approach another girl? Do you just beast in the coffee shop? Are you a social guy opening/talking to everyone? What do you do?
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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1. Sitting somewhere then opening the girl ... chatting with her ... getting number
OR
2. Walking past the girl and opening ... chatting with her ... getting number

Disclaimer: I never got laid from coffee shops before
 
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