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Rakehell

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met up with the chick from this outing here

We met up at this café, outside before going in, us parking next to each other. Again, pretty quiet/reserved similar to how she was in my car.

After dark, later in the evening but not too late.

As we walk and talk i’m doing things to relieve some of the pressure, also trying to elicit what has her so seemingly closed off as we enter.

Local café, dim lights, quiet vibe, but a good amount of people for whatever reason.

Mostly light chit chat, she tells me shes feeling kind of sick. Nevertheless we order some coffee n get sat. I decided to pay for both.

She’s a bit more comfortable at this point, we’re sitting at a booth right next to eachother. I’m alot more physically forward this time around because I plan on closing her, and this is what was lacking the last time I saw her. She’s receptive, but not really melting into me how a girl usually would be.

I keep getting this sense that she’s not allowing herself to be comfortable/ in the moment. And that her mind is elsewhere.

I decided I needed to try and get her more present/allow her to ease into the environment. I pull back a bit, and we chat about surface level stuff, and segway into deeper topics.

Throughout she’s pretty compliant, allowing me to touch her jewelry, hair, etc. But getting her to open up vibe wise, was like pulling teeth. I’d get flashes of smiles/excitement, but they’d quickly be overwashed by what looked like nervousness to me.

It’s worth mentioning that groups of people would walk by, and we’d visibly get stared at/hear chatter directed toward me, and I saw it kill her vibe a little.

This chick isn’t normally my “type” but she’d be considered super cute by most guys. Bleach blonde, really cute face, super submissive. If I had to rate her without personal bias I’d say she was an 8. Despite her not being my ideal type I still considered her attractive.

As time goes on she mentions feeling sick again, so I use it as an opportunity to bounce to her car like @Skills suggested in my other report. Different contexts but decided to either way.

I speculated it might’ve been the environment and was hoping she’d open up a bit more once we were gone.

Boy was I wrong. She put on some music heated up the car. I dialed up the touch more as we sat and talked. But she kept allowing herself to be distracted, talking about her car etc.

After a while I dial back on the touch and just let my seat back. I let things get quiet, and stare off into space looking at the stars. It’s calmer now. She’s flipping through songs asking what she should play next.

I tell her she’s so far I can barely see her phone. I give her my hand, and tell her to come join me so that I can see her better. She takes my hand but gives me a light refusal, saying it was too cramped. It wasn’t Lol.

I tell her how its way more spacious than mine, and ask again giving her my other hand and we grasp eachothers fingers. she takes it and I lightly pull her.

She comes about halfway, before slowly pulling away, saying it was too cramped. I pull back and after a while go back to talking with her. I’m super relaxed at this point, can’t say the same for her.

I tell her if she isnt gonna join me the least she can do is let her seat back so that she isn’t so cramped but she refuses this also. I could feel the lay wasn’t there at this point.

After a while of talking, she mentions needing to get home/ wasn’t feeling well, so , we parted ways. Left off on an okay note, and I shot her a parting text.

Did some diagnostics, not sure what I could’ve/should’ve done differently.
 

Skills

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Did you find out about what she was "sick" about and you could have done another venue and you did not do second gen... from 3 keys, you miss the sexual...the car context is that is easier to walk a women to her car from dates and clubs and then have them take you to your car is easier, and smoother than the other way around cause they are more at easy, relax and comfortable....when she said she was "sick" you show concern like oh no, play around i know why you are sick you missing affection, let me give you a kiss, now yo are cured right...but seriously how you fell is your stomach, is your head...or was this an excuse to get out of the date and not fuck you...
 
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Rakehell

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Did you find out about what she was "sick" about and you could have done another venue and you did not do second gen... from 3 keys, you miss the sexual..
Yeah, to be fair, I did alot of that on our previous meet. During this meet I’d go back/anchor/bring back up stuff that was hashed out before, but she wasn’t really responsive to it.

Seemed like bad form in the moment to keep piling on with more.

Noted on other venue
when she said she was "sick" you show concern like oh no, play around i know why you are sick you missing affection, let me give you a kiss, now yo are cured right...
Lol didn’t try that but i’ll bookmark it. I did show exaggerated concern tho/ played doctor patient.
or was this an excuse to get out of the date and not fuck you...
I considered this but can’t say for certain if it was the case, was one of the first things she mentioned. I wanted to see if it was maybe menstrual related, but she mentioned thinking she caught something from someone (sickness not std lol).
 

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The first thing that crossed my mind was that she might not necessarily be uncomfortable and might just be the super quiet type. Some people do not like talking and prefer to listen instead. The second thing that stood out to me was that she kept saying she was sick. Like skills mentioned in his post you should have gotten some clarification about that.

Also I am curious about how you worded the excuse to go back to her car because I read the original post you linked and it seems like you guys spent a while hanging out in a car during the first encounter at the mall. She might be a bit weirded out that you continually want to hang out in a car, hence why she seemed to be extremely uncomfortable with you touching her in her in the car and why she kept giving resistance. Also I saw 2 big problems with the way you were handling the escalations. She kept changing the topic and subtly shutting down your escalation attempts but you kept trying to force it, in the future you should IMMEDIATELY back off when you receive resistance. I personally spike the vibe in another way when I feel like the vibe to escalate is off (shes avoiding eye contact, seems distracted, seems tired etc). I might put on some hype music or just do anything that will shift the vibe and orchestrate a reasonable excuse to playfully touch and then from there I slowly bring the vibe down to a more sensual one.

In the future try to avoid being in cars. You kind of put yourself in an awkward situation by choosing to hang out in a car, that's not an ideal setting to be in unless you are 1,000% sure that at the bare minimum she's at least down to make out. Otherwise you will just give off predatory vibes since there isn't really much you could do in a car.
 
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Rakehell

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Like skills mentioned in his post you should have gotten some clarification about that.
Ya man, there was a whole dialogue behind it. Didn’t include it in the initial report.
The first thing that crossed my mind was that she might not necessarily be uncomfortable and might just be the super quiet type.
Yeah she’s naturally more reserved but this wasn’t really what I was getting at. By “uncomfortable” I meant more on the nonverbal, stiff body language, fast speech, stuttering, not being able to hold eye contact very well, etc.

I only knew this wasn’t how she is, because i’d already met up with her the first time.

Obviously this wasn’t the entire time, but she’d get in that mode from time to time if that makes sense.

I’d calibrate, i.e by not piercing her soul with my eyes lol, or touching her when it looks like shes about to implode, being super laid back, even asked her about it at one point said she wasn’t feeling well, but yeah.

It’s not that she wasn’t talkative/ we weren’t having a conversation. It’s what she was saying with her vibe that im getting at.
Also I am curious about how you worded the excuse to go back to her car because I read the original post you linked and it seems like you guys spent a while hanging out in a car during the first encounter at the mall.
Was seeded beforehand, she wanted to go. I see how it can be read as creepy but this take is pretty misconstrued from how it all actually played out.
She might be a bit weirded out that you continually want to hang out in a car, hence why she seemed to be extremely uncomfortable with you touching her in her in the car and why she kept giving resistance.
Well unfortunately I don’t have the luxury of good logistics, neither did she. She wanted to hang out, gave her the option, she agreed. Said she’d let me come to hers if she could, me the same.

Don’t claim to be a mind reader, but highly doubt she was creeped out. She had this nervous energy out the gate, it’d come in waves, we’d be chilling one minute, then she’d get antsy another.
 
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Skills

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Ya man, there was a whole dialogue behind it. Didn’t include it in the initial report.

Yeah she’s naturally more reserved but this wasn’t really what I was getting at. By “uncomfortable” I meant more on the nonverbal, stiff body language, fast speech, stuttering, not being able to hold eye contact very well, etc.

I only knew this wasn’t how she is, because i’d already met up with her the first time.

Obviously this wasn’t the entire time, but she’d get in that mode from time to time if that makes sense.

I’d calibrate, i.e by not piercing her soul with my eyes lol, or touching her when it looks like shes about to implode, being super laid back, even asked her about it at one point said she wasn’t feeling well, but yeah.

It’s not that she wasn’t talkative/ we weren’t having a conversation. It’s what she was saying with her vibe that im getting at.

Was seeded beforehand, she wanted to go. I see how it can be read as creepy but this take is pretty misconstrued from how it all actually played out.

Well unfortunately I don’t have the luxury of good logistics, neither did she. She wanted to hang out, gave her the option, she agreed. Said she’d let me come to hers if she could, me the same.

Don’t claim to be a mind reader, but highly doubt she was creeped out. She had this nervous energy out the gate, it’d come in waves, we’d be chilling one minute, then she’d get antsy another.
Yeah i lay plenty of girls in the car due to logistics and a bunch of car bjs as well, the being in the car creepy it is a stretch...
 
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