Breaking circle.....a hard rule cast in stone....or more of a...guideline?

[Ree]

While They are very many similarities between all the different seduction Schools of thought....they wouldnt be diffeent schools of thought if they didnt have differences.....the biggest difference ive seen so far.(.particularly in nightgame ) is group theory....some claim u have to open the whole group...and some (like gc) claim that doing so would be breaking circle,and u shud just approach ur target and ignore everyone else,unless ur target introduces u(or this is how i have undestood it anyway)......
I was reading a report by radeng where he aproaches two girls....and i wondered ...isnt that breaking circle?..I have always followed this rule of not breaking circle religiously believing that to deviate might led to disastrous consequences...but radeng deviated...and despite this ...not only did it not usher in the apocalypse...it did not even seem to have any detrimental effects to his interaction.......as a stranger to nightgame(in day game such things are irelevant as we rarely have to deal withgroups)....ive read many posts here where people open groups
The question to u seducers..therefore stands thus
Is it better to open a group...or just open the girl ur intersted in.... Is it even really such a big deal ?....or does it depend...and if it depends on what does it depend?

 

[Rusty]

You don't have to open the group.

I've talked to women that are in groups (anything larger than 2 is a "group" to me). But it's not that big of a deal. Especially if you're at a bar or any nighttime venue for that matter, most people's attention is scattered. I don't remember where I read about this, but we are only capable of having a conversation with 2 other people, maximum. Once you start getting larger than that, groups tends to break off into smaller ones anyway, so even in a larger group, say 10-12 people, there's probably 4-5 different groups and conversations going on... if everyone is listening to one person, the person becomes a speaker and the other people become an audience. They can't all participate in the conversation, it becomes more like a lecture/ soliloquy. It's no longer a free-flowing conversation between a couple of people at that point.

But I digress.

I'm not a big social guy, and I don't really enjoy managing or attempting to break into a circle and become everyone's friends. I prefer smaller groups, and preferably 1 to 1 conversations, so I usually just wait or create an opportunity to speak to her, usually by pre-opening with my eye contact.

But do try. Try opening groups. Get practice being social and stretch yourself. It helps to be able to befriend groups of people, although it's not absolutely necessary.

 

[Lotus]

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was reading a report by radeng where he aproaches two girls....and i wondered ...isnt that breaking circle?..

Yes technically, but he isn't the one breaking circle. They are breaking circle to engage him, which is good! They are interested enough in what he said to allow him into their circle.

Here's a quote from Chase's article, and I bolded the important part.

Never be the first to break circle when you're talking to a girl

If you're on the inside breaking the circle it shows the girl you are most interested in the other person then her. and here's the article:

https://www.girlschase.com/content/breaking-circle

Is it better to open a group...or just open the girl ur intersted in.... Is it even really such a big deal ?....or does it depend...and if it depends on what does it depend?

It's mostly personal preference. I think opening group is harder because that's more people you have to win over and manage, but groups is a good way to get some momentum going really quickly.

Obviously opening groups is going to happen in nightgame because most people don't go out alone. Being able to do it is a useful skill but it really depends on your style and what you would like to achieve. In a club you are going to run into a lot more groups then in a low key bar.

To be the best seducer you want to have varying skill sets, just like how if you want to be the best conversationalist you have to be able to relate to all types of girls. But no it's not the end all be all.

IMO

Higher energy vibe = better for groups
Lower energy vibe = better for single target

 

[Ree]

thanks...woah...need mo experience...funny thing tho....i used to think daygame was hard and nightgame was easy....i think daygame takes more balls(running in the street after gal)....but its easy.....nightgame is hard..damn.....anyway....when a gal cant hear u ...(loud music....gal seated)...do u go shout off her ear...or just go to a quieter club...or what?