FR Business, Baby

[Zoro]

Even before I found GC I was working on my fundamentals. Because of this, I think I can take eye contact to the next level. Specifically unashamedly checking out girls in ways that make them hot and excited and communicates "I mean business, baby." Although you don't see much of it at work here, it was a step in the right direction.

At a little restaurant and I see two cuties walk up. There are big windows so I make eye contact with both as they come in. There's a wait, hence why I am waiting and they post up by the door. After about a minute of silly rumination (rumination gets you no wheerrrre!) I walk up and ask, whats good on the menu. Genuinely wanted to know. I love genuine openers. They work so well for me.

We chit chat, here's the important stuff

-I felt at ease, convo was smooth and kept both cuties in the conversation but focused on the one I was interested in. Although it was easy, because she was interested too.
-I did, however, let some things about me slip too easy like just blurting my age after getting hers.
-talk about our schooling, how I JUST dropped out to peruse bigger things. (I think this came across more playful in a good way, and humbled with some joking)
-She gives me her business card after she tells me what she does, pretty enthusiastically as well and totally unprompted on my part.
-After a little more chit, I end the chat.

Soon after, they come by where I am waiting because a guy offers them a spot at the bar. Felt unsure of what the BEST thing to do to here was... I want to communicate that I drip sexiness but didn't give it too much thought. Thats where you guys come in... What would you do after talking to them and then they hover/stand nearby but not to talk? Imagining them as silly girls who are chasing me gave me some ideas. Just be chill, relax. I did ask her what she was drinking, when they toasted a "cheers." Just to break the tension from the awkward "is he going to talk to me or be weird now?" to normal vibe.

She thens asks me to take a picture of them... Shit. I give them a quick skeptical look (my ladykiller instincts kicking in) but it was too short. At the time, I knew this was a bit of a shit test and that I kind of fumbled. A longer skeptical look would have worked well, with maybe a "What am I, a photographer? " I'd like to hear what you guys have to say about this too.

What I did say was, "Okay, but normally, I charge for this" with a smirk, and after," you only get one free one." Later, I saw them make the guy who gave them a spot take a picture too lol

So I sit down with my friend. Low and behold, she sits at the table across and facing me, though my friends head is blocking our view. I was thinking awesome! I can flirt with her from here if I want. Though, I was more fishing for her eyes and didn't really do it. Looking back I should have gone for the eye contact flirt the FIRST ATTEMPT since that one time would definitely gotten her attention (people notice others eyes on them easily) instead of fishing around. Now, after having my eyes on her several times, she could care less.

Before there was too much fishing, I did text her saying "Hello Dr... Since I took the picture I think I deserve it." Nothing yet...

When I passed by their table I asked what they ordered, and it seemed just a little flat.

All in all, fun.

One of the best things I heard recently was looking at failure at an angle of feedback. Nothing is failure, it is an experience that you now have valuable information on. Like the eye contact thing, I figured that out with this mentality. Just balance it out, with acknowledging you wanted a different outcome.

Do it, Baby!

- J J J

P.s. forgot to include my name in the text. Might be a prob-lame-o.

 

[Rtodd201]

Re: FR - Business, Baby

Soon after, they come by where I am waiting because a guy offers them a spot at the bar. Felt unsure of what the BEST thing to do to here was... I want to communicate that I drip sexiness but didn't give it too much thought. Thats where you guys come in... What would you do after talking to them and then they hover/stand nearby but not to talk? Imagining them as silly girls who are chasing me gave me some ideas. Just be chill, relax. I did ask her what she was drinking, when they toasted a "cheers." Just to break the tension from the awkward "is he going to talk to me or be weird now?" to normal vibe.

Hey J, wanted to throw this in. Your instincts were right, you probably had everything you needed to take this a little further. When the spot by the bar opened up that could have given you the perfect chance to motion them over with a non-verbal command and then just TURN AROUND with your back to the bar and take up the whole space the other guy just made for them. That way, you have both of their attentions(other girls in the bar will see this too) and then just be chill and relax.

She thens asks me to take a picture of them... Shit. I give them a quick skeptical look (my ladykiller instincts kicking in) but it was too short. At the time, I knew this was a bit of a shit test and that I kind of fumbled. A longer skeptical look would have worked well, with maybe a "What am I, a photographer? " I'd like to hear what you guys have to say about this too.

What I did say was, "Okay, but normally, I charge for this" with a smirk, and after," you only get one free one." Later, I saw them make the guy who gave them a spot take a picture too lol

This was a total shit test. The above sentence confirms it. If that happens again just tell her she looks like more of a selfie girl. If she questions you as to what that means change the subject. If she comes back to it say it again, then tell her to take a selfie and show you. Then say,"see you're awesome at photography. I couldn't do any better if I really wanted to," with a mouth full of sarcasm and a smile. That should work most times.

So I sit down with my friend. Low and behold, she sits at the table across and facing me, though my friends head is blocking our view. I was thinking awesome! I can flirt with her from here if I want. Though, I was more fishing for her eyes and didn't really do it. Looking back I should have gone for the eye contact flirt the FIRST ATTEMPT since that one time would definitely gotten her attention (people notice others eyes on them easily) instead of fishing around. Now, after having my eyes on her several times, she could care less.

I think you read this one right as well. The fact that you were around her and trying to make eye contact probably killed the mystery for her. She (and her friend)get to evaluate you from a distance without anything to go by. So if you keep looking over at them and ask questions that don't really advance the interaction("When I passed by their table I asked what they ordered, and it seemed just a little flat.") girls can label you with the dreaded "creepy" tag. Don't let it freak you out. You get nowhere with women without being a little creepy some of the time. Hahahaha.

What I think I would have done in this situation was motion them to the bar and re-establish that your a guy they want to be around. Then tell them that a really cool friend of yours is coming and that the four of you should hang out. Tell your mate to just be chill and at some point have him seperate the two girls so you can escalate with yours in some way.


Keep at it and it'll happen,

Rocco

 

[Zoro]

Re: FR - Business, Baby

Thanks for the advice Rtodd!

This was a total shit test. The above sentence confirms it. If that happens again just tell her she looks like more of a selfie girl. If she questions you as to what that means change the subject. If she comes back to it say it again, then tell her to take a selfie and show you. Then say,"see you're awesome at photography. I couldn't do any better if I really wanted to," with a mouth full of sarcasm and a smile. That should work most times.

I have a feeling this is very much HOW you do it. Whatever way to go about declining needs to be solid in frame and congruent with personality. I'd think so it communicates, "Oh, he's not a guy that does that kind of thing." Instead of telling her, showing her. I like your suggestion. It's playful and even has a bit of compliance.

You get nowhere with women without being a little creepy some of the time.

Trial and error... Experience is so vital, the more I go out and push myself, the more I am amazed at the learning that comes with it. It's inspiring in a way that you yourself create.

Go for it, baby!

-JJ