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JPWorld

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Hey hey guys,

So I was going to call this one "First Ever First Date Lay Attempt" or something to do with LMR, but something she said when I got her into bed after the first date stuck with me.

A few things first: I am currently living with a Chinese Host family, so I can't bring girls over. And she has a roommate in the dorms, who is always in, which makes things interesting, too.
The girl is from Belgium (but speaks perfect English), is busty and we are going to call her Amy.

This one's quite complicated so I'll explain the best I can (a lot can happen in a few days...!)

The Approach - Sunday

So I was out to get some noodles for dinner, and whilst walking through a mini-shopping centre, I notice a busty brunette walking in my direction (to get to the door behind me) and I KNEW I had seen her before, but I just couldn't place where.

As we draw nearer, I'm still racking my brains whilst she begins to smile. Without thinking I blurt out:

Me: Hey, I recognise you!
Her: Hey, yeah :)
Me: Where do I know you from?
Her: Oh probably just from seeing each other around last semester.

We have a quick chat about where we're from, what our Winter Holidays were like (shared a few small travel stories but not too many - I decided this would be my way in) and what we were up to now.

I then get her wechat (Asian version of Whatsapp) and we part ways. My phone had died but she had added me and all I had to do was accept when I got back later.

So at 19:27 I accept (we met about 18:00) and then at 20:32 I send her a message:

Me: Amy, hey! It was nice to meet you earlier...! :)
Her: Hey! :) nice to meet you too! Hope you had a nice dinner! :) see you around! (Immediate reply)

The thing that bothered me about this was the "See you around", but I ignored it and sent a message at 10:54am the next day -

Me: Hey Amy, yeah it was good, had some classic noodles! :p How was your nap and dinner? Up to much today? (trying to build some rapport before asking for a date)
Her: Nap didn't really work out...And just some noodle soup for dinner! Beauty of being back in China! Not much for today, enjoying the last day of the holidays - just woke up - what about you? :) (Sent at 12:53pm)
Me: Look at us, turning Asian again with our noodles! :p Ah nice, definitely making the most of the last day! Yeah, I'm just ticking over, bit of work, bit of chilling. Actually, how busy are you this week? I'd love to hear more about your travels...! Let's grab a coffee togther or something :)

She then says coffee sounds good and I set a date for Wednesday at 2:30pm. She agrees and says see you then.

Wednesday

On Wednesday I finish class at midday, eat then go home and nap for a bit, then read as many articles on Conversation as I could (without overflowing my mind).

I then go and meet her and when I see her, I immediately go for a French double cheek kiss to get some touching and rapport in there, and we then walk out to a cafe I had thought of earlier (just down the road).
I thought she was a little bit cold and was going to be a tough nut to crack (later found out it's just her personality), but when we sit down and talk we get into it well.

The topics stays in Uni for a bit, but I try my best to deep dive, getting onto topics of travels, dreams, jobs, hobbies and childhood.

After about 2 hours I suggest we go, but I wasn't sure how to play this. I knew there and then I couldn't bring her back to mine and I knew she had a roommate who was always in (as she had mentioned it in passing earlier).

So as we are walking the very short distance back to the dorms, I try and direct the conversation onto Uni, classes and whether her roommate was in right now, but I didn't get a clear answer. We then get inside and the conversation goes something like:

Her: Oh, we are in the lobby, that's not very convenient for you
Me: Oh, yeah, what are you up to now? Is your roommate in?
Her: I don't know, we could check...?
Me: Sure, I'd love to see some travel photos or something
Her: Okay, sure

We then head on up to her room.

Her roommate is out.

Score.

I then commit myself and take off my shoes and chill on the bed, whilst she does the same and searches for her iPad to find the photos.

We then legit look through her travel photos whilst I'm keeping an eye on the time.

1. So I could kiss her within 10 minutes
2. Having a guess what time her rooommate would come back.

We get to the end of the pictures (the entire time I was waiting for the 'right moment' / deciding whether to just go for it). We then finish the photos, I grab her chin and turn her head towards me and then kiss her. (I think it was about 13-14 minutes in the end, not too bad but I should have gone 'SSsshhh...stop talking, look at me" then kissed her - oh well).

We kiss, and I pull back and she gives a little smile, then we kiss again for a short while. Then she stops and says 'wait a sec'. We then have a conversation like this (trying to remember it word for word).

Her: Wait a sec
Me: What?
Her: You move so fast
Me: *I look away into distance*
Her: We barely know each other and all you do is want to have sex with me
Me: We just spent a few hours getting to know each other, and I didn't say anything about sex.
Her: Well Lucy warned me that you're keen on women.

Okay, about Lucy: Lucy knows Amy just by chilling out together, seeing each other around. It turns out on the Tuesday (the day before the coffee) Amy had seen Lucy and said that she had a coffee date with me, and was asking what I'm like.

I then saw Lucy at a group meal Tuesday night and she mentions it -

Her: So you're having coffee with one of my friends tomorrow?
Me: Oh really? Yeah! How do you know Amy?
Her: Oh, we just see each other around, she was asking what you're like.
Me: And what did you say?
Her: Just that you're a really sweet guy, nothing bad don't worry, I was a good wingman ;)

It turns out she didn't just say that, and from what I can work out the conversation between the two girls must have gone like this:

Amy: So what's JP like? Is he nice or strange? (obviously didn't have a good enough sexual frame when I first met her)
Lucy: No, he's really sweet, keen on the women and moves fast, but a really sweet guy.

Now, the phrase 'Keen on the women' (which is a wierd phrase anyway) stuck in Amy's head. And I still don't know why Lucy said that (being a good wingman, my ass).

She doesn't know who I've slept with, I didn't sleep with anyone last semester, so she clearly doesn't know I lost my virginity only 6 weeks ago, and I'm pretty sure she didn't hear about the Foursome - viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9417&p=45533&hilit=JPWorld#p45533 (Amy doesn' know yet, but I'll get to that in the minute). And she has no legit reason to say I move fast.

I actually found it hilarious (and annoying - as it wasn't helping my case here) that I had gone from the reputation of a White-Knight-nice-guy to a player in the space of a few months (OH GC - what have you done to me? ;) )

She literally must see that I'm sociable, have lots of girl friends and generally little bit flirty and put it all together.

So back to me and Amy in bed, just sitting, kissing and talking.

Me: I legit don't know why Lucy said that, she has no reason to.
Her: Well she must do.
Me: I honestly don't know why. I didn't sleep with anyone last semester.
Her: Well she said you're keen on women.
Me: So let's get this straight, you're not going to do anything with me because you think I'm a player?
Her: Well yeah, Lucy has completely ruined it for you

Fucking Hell Lucy.

Me: But I'm not a player
Her: Is that so?
Me: Yeah, I only lost my virginity 5 weeks ago.
Her: Oh...SERIOUSLY?
Me: Yeah...
Her: Okay, well Lucy said that you move fast, she was definitely right about that.

What a fucking shit-test and a half.

We then get talking about who I slept with, she slighty jokingly judges mine were ONS (Still didn't mention foursome). She then goes into sexual history, having 11 guys. The best she's ever had was the last guy she slept with.

I then get the topic of sexual fantasies going, she says she doesn't have many as she's done tying, blindfold etc in a long-term relationship to keep the sex exciting.

Then we start kissing on and off, chatting, too, which all goes on for about an hour. She shit tests me a few times on what I want and how much I like her. I say that I like her quite a lot and would consider seeing where i goes in terms of relationships. (I would have gone down the path of - 'I'm not the relationship type', but she still had a bad image of me so that wouldn't have helped).

She also at some point says that she's going to talk to Lucy about what she said and why.

I tried to escalate but I got LMR mainly because her roommate could come in at any time, so kissing was as far as it went.

Then her roommate comes in.

We quickly sit up and resume 'normal conversation.'

But I immediately noticed something a lot calmer and smoother about Amy.

I had definitely cracked her. She had gone from a normal, maybe even a typically stubborn French/Belgium girl to being more cute.

Her roommate came in and grabbed few things then left for dinner.

Amy then says her friend is coming in 25 minutes for them to have dinner.

Right, 25 minutes, let's see what I can do.

I encounter yet more LMR and although she said her tits were out of bounds, I escalated enough to get them out and suck on them, make her get horny etc.

Her tits were GLORIOUS.

The joys of busty girls.

Then she gets a text saying her friend is two minutes away. We sort ourselves out and welcome her friend (I sort of knew her, too). Amy was still being all over me, hugging, tugging and kissing.

I then leave (with a kiss goodbye) so they can go and eat.

I get back and purposely don't text her, as I had planned on doing it the next day. I was kicking myself that I didn't get past some more LMR and didn't at least finger her, because I knew she wanted me so bad. But she said she wanted to take things a bit slower and that I 'move too fast.'

I then get a text that night:
Her: Lucy just made it better for you
Me: Explain...
Her: She said you were really not gay...and were single...but not sleeping around :p

We then quickly message about how I don't know why she brought up the gay thing, and I hope she's happier. She says she needs more time to think, but is happier.

I then get a message a few hours later (I had gone to bed).

Her: Maybe at the next coffee

Then another ten minutes later

Her: If you still want it...

Aw, look at her, trying to play games.

Thursday

I see her messages in the morning but had already decided I was going to ask to borrow my friend's single room for the afternoon and try and fuck her then.

I text her around 10am to convince her to see each other after class. With ice cream promised, she agrees, but wants lunch first, so we decide to meet at 1. Straight after class (12pm) I see my friend and ask if I can have the room for the afternoon. I then see her in the lobby and explain that I can get us a room for the afternoon. She says that would be good as she doesn't know what her roommate is doing, so we agree to meet at 1.

I then grab his room key, she goes to get lunch whilst I hit the gym (which was a bad idea as I was exhausted - should've gone and eaten or gone back and meditated).

I then meet her at 1 and we go up.

We sit on the bed and chat, eating our ice cream. We then spend a lot of time hugging, kissing and chilling.

To fast forward a bit, I escalate enough to get her clothes off apart from her knickers.

At one point she moans that I've still got my trousers on.

She's quite ticklish, so quite a lot of the time when I was licking her stomach or inner thigh she would get me to stop as she's too sensitive.

At one point we legit had a nap whilst we were both in just underwear. She said she wasn't in the mood for sex, she was tired, had a headache and had just eaten.

To fast forward a bit more after the nap it builds up a bit again and I lick over her knickers quite a bit and make her cum that way, and everytime this happened I would try to pull her knickers to the side and lick her out but everytime she stopped me.

She also wouldn't let me finger her as my fingernails were a tiny bit dirty (we are talking about very small black specks, I think from the gym). At first I thought it was a shit-test and she was joking, but she was actually being serious.

Fast forward a bit more, she's on her front and and I'm licking the knickers over her ass and work down the side, even though she starts saying "JP, no, no..what did I say...?" I carry on and it gets so heated I rip her knickers to the side and lick her out and then finger her. She's still saying "No...stop...JP..." but she's twisting side to side, moaning and grabbing the bed, and with tongue and fingers combined I make her come.

She then comes to her senses and asks me to lie with her.

We then lie a bit and after a bit she gets in the mood and wants me to fuck her.

Well, at that moment I had a semi so I thought it was enough to get a condom on and then go from there.

The minute I hop up to get a condom I go soft and THEN make the rookie mistake of trying to put the condom on when I'm completely soft.

She asks if I'm okay and I say I'll need a minute to get ready. She says I should've just got the condom out ready for when I was ready and not put it on - valid point.

I take the condom off and after about 10 minutes I'm hard, but she then says she's not in the mood now.

Chance blown all because the second she said she wanted it, I wasn't hard.

After an hour of more lying, maybe some more lickng (can't remember) we go out and get dinner together, with me returning the room key to my mate (what a LAD he is).

We go out and get dinner, acting like a couple, kissing, all over each other, basically showing everyone we're together. I then have to go back and do some work.

LR- ...tick.

I was going to write this up Thursday night but I knew I could shag her over the next few days, so I didn't bother (hence why this is so long).

Friday

On Friday I wasn't planning on doing anything with sex-related as logistics were going to be a problem and just decided I was going to meet her for dinner.

However, when I was at home early afternoon, I took a nap. And when I woke up I had an empty house.

Is this a chance?

Normally when my Chinese host parents are out they are gone for a few hours...do I risk it?

I sit down and ponder. Knowing I would regret having the opportunity of a free house and this would keep the time-frame still fairly short (only two days after the first date) I text her to come over.

She agrees and comes over.

We instantly get down to it and it isn't long before we are both in our underwear. Again she doesn't want me to go down on her or finger her (I don't think it gives her that much pleasure, don't know why...)

We have about 2 hours of some escalation and lots of kissing, body and knickers-licking. At one point she wants me to fuck her, so I get the condom and just get it out, then as I'm not hard, so gives me a hand-job. Then I get hard and put the condom on, I go slightly soft again, so she gives me another hand-job.

But then she won't let me fuck her because I need to change condom.

She said that because she gave me a hand-job with no condom, then one with a condom, the 'germs' are now on the outside of the condom...has anyone heard of this before?

Whilst we were discussing whether this was true or not, we then hear my Host parents come home and we quickly run around grabbing clothes in case they open my door.

I then introduce them and use the excuse that she is a friend helping me with homework (haha, the classic ;) ) and we then shut the door and got back on the bed, talking about homework for a sec. Then I showed her my travel videos I made, and sometimes, in between videos she'd randomly get horny and I'd finger her jeans and make her all wet.

After the last video she just goes: "Is it bad I want you to fuck me?"

Not at all ;)

Goes to show just sitting and chilling rather than constantly being almost naked and escalating all the time can make them more comfortable, thus consider sex more.

The Sex

I get her trousers off, knickers off (no resistance at all) my top off and my jeans down, put on a new condom (as I had a semi) and lie on top in adapted missionary.

Whilst I gave her the best sex of her life, I had three things in mind:

1. Not be too loud, as my Host parents were literally in the next room.
2. Follow Chase's rule of trying to imagine you are literally pounding her into the ground with just your penis, to make the sex super hard and deep (this worked a treat)
3. I saw someone write on here ages ago of following a mini-rule like '3 short thrusts, 7 deep thrusts...then 4 short thrusts, 6 deep thrusts' and so on. (This also worked a treat, especially doing 2 and 3 together).

I get in adapted missionary, get hard and make her come.

Then I make her come again.

And again.

And again.

And again.

And again.

(I'm not kidding haha)

And again.

And again.

Everytime I was mixing it up, sometimes I'd go super slow, and maybe just a deep thrust every 10 seconds. She would think I've stopped...then BAM.

Other times I would pull out nearly all the way, hear her gasp, then go ultra deep inside her again.

Other times I'd just go full whack, whilst trying to keep quiet and the bed from creaking too much.

Also switching between adapted, knees on her breasts or feet on my shoulders (we didn't do that one too much as it was quite noisy).

This girl was SO, SO, SO wet.

Her: Oh my god, JP, I am so wet, seriously...I'm DRIPPING. (I feel her, then my condom, my balls and then the bed, all of which are absolutely soaked).
Me: Yeah, you are...
Her: I've only ever been this wet once before...seriously, how do yo-...you're amazing. (eyes WIDE open)
Me: You like it...?
Her: I love it! Seriously, you're really good!

Then I make her come a few more times.

I'm not the best at dirty talk, so one conversation when like this, which turned out to be okay...

Her: I love it when you're deep inside me...
Me: Oh you do...?
Her: Yeah, I love it so much
Me: Oh...you mean like this? (I pull out almost all the way - I hear her gasp - I wait a sec) Or like this? (I pound one deep stroke as far as I can - her entire body wraps around me, her back arches and her mouth wide open, as if coming up for air)
Her: Oh..my...GOD...!

Rinse and repeat. Comes.

After a little bit she then says:

Her: I love it when you're inside me
Me: Well you're going to have to beg...
Her: No, just fuck me hard
Me: I wanna hear you beg...

Before she could say anything else I heard her breathing increase so I capitalised on it and rammed her again.

Then again she goes

Her: Just fuck me really deep
Me: No, you're going to have to beg
Her: But last time I didn't have to
Me: But this time you're going to have to really beg
Her: Just fuck me
Me: nah ah ahhh, say please (I pull out almost all the way)
Her: JP...!
Me: Say the magic word... (I now start doing very, very small thrusts just with the tip)
Her: Oh my god, okay, please fuck me, just fuck me, please!!
Me: Good girl... (BAM)

California Pimp Style.

You're probably thinking this is a stupid amount of orgasms, but it actually happened (still in adapted):

Me: I wanna make you come so bad
Her: But you've made me come so much already...I'm so wet!
Me: Oh...I have?
Her: Yes...EVERY TIME!
Me: How many times? 5? 10? (Said in a jokey way, as I didn't want to kill the mood by demanding how many)
Her: AT LEAST 10! I've genuinely lost count!
Me: Well I wanna make you come again...
Her: Make me...;)
Me: (I then whisper in her ear) Challenge accepted.

Within 30 secs I'm going full whack, her body is wrapped around me shaking, and her face is buried in my neck...then as she gets close, I have to use my hand as a gag over her mouth to stop her from screaming as she orgasms, whilst she's grabbing my body like she's going to explode.

Don't test me...bitch ;)

I've never heard someone say "oh my god" and my name so many times in such a short space of time.

I genuinely made her come 15-16 times.

She then said she was exhausted and absolutely dead, and even though she was begging me to come inside her, I was still hard. She then gave me a handjob but it didn't really happen (I was still ROCK hard) and the condom ended up coming off.

She then said I had stupid stamina and I accidently let it slip I spent the 7 hours in bed with my previous lay, which she seemed astounded by (although we weren't having sex the entire time). So she said she can't wait for next time where we're alone and I can properly go for it so she can have proper screaming orgasms.

We then just hug and lie for a bit.

Then she randomly goes:
Her: Oh, I just realised I owe someone money
Me: Eh? Who?
Her: Thomas
Me: Who's that?
Her: The last guy I slept with
Me: Oh, and how was he?
Her: He was my best...until you...

I'm guessing her train of thought was "That was incredible, even better than with Thomas, oh yeah, I owe him money".

Then she wants me to fuck her again.

Ugh...do I have to?

;)

Round 2

After getting a condom, she lies on her stomach and I try and go in from behind, but I wasn't completely hard, so I get into adapted for a while and see cums once or twice.

Then she says she wants me on her side, I say I've never done it on the side before but we give it a go.

After feeding it in, I try my best to go as deep as possible. Her breathing gets heavier and then she orgasms.

She rolls away.

Me: Are you okay?
Her: Yeah, hang on...I'm still recovering from that one...

After about 5 seconds of lying dead still, her body does a short, quick spasm, then she just melts into the bed and pillow.

Then my host parents say that she needs to go as I can't have guests stay over, so once again we rush around, hiding condoms and grabbing clothes, praying they won't open the door. Even though it's late we say we'll go off to get some food, then she'll go back to her dorms and I'll come back.

We go and get food and that's it.

Summary

I'm pretty happy, as she is only my fourth lay, and I'm her TWELTH and she says I'm the best she's ever had. Goes to show Chase's techniques really work (I'm sure you're all aware of that anyway!)

She said during the sex she wants to keep me, and kept shit-testing me whether I would sleep with other girls (She says she can get jealous) and we are basically going out now (it felt that way on Thursday before the sex) as we had been talking about it quite a bit.

But I don't mind at all, I was almost looking for a loose relationship as the Chinese girls here are very reserved and studious, all with dormitory curfews and also my studies the next few months are going to get really hard, so some steady sex will be good rather than the drama of constantly trying to pick up new girls. Also, after scoping out my Uni, I didn't really have any other options, so it's worked out pretty well.

We both know this isn't a stupidly serious relationship as we both go our respective ways in July (then I'll be back here with some more LRs ;) ), so it's all nice and chill (I hope!)

Questions

1. How and when do I bring up the fact of the foursome? As now she thinks she knows my sexual history, so I don't know how to mention it. A few of my friends at the Uni know, so I'm terrified it's gonna slip and she's gonna freak?
2. The handjob without a condom, then with a condom, which causes germs to spread, is that true?

I'm sorry this is SO long (mine always are haha) but I hope everyone can learn from the bad and (very few) good things I did.

It's just a bit frustraing that the minute I start ACTIVELY using GC stuff, I get 4 lays in 5 weeks. I start getting the hang of a few things, then I'm taken off the market!

If anyone needs me, I'll be in the relationship forum ;)

Keep 'em dripping,

As ever,

- JP
 

skin_man

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Cool LR player ;)

Oh about the germs thing *HUGE SPECULATION DISCLAIMER:--

, technically if you touch the dick (creating a dick hand).then touch the condom-on-dick after with the dick hand, when the condom-on-dick is inside her, it would seem like the bare dick is in her and no one can vouch for how sterile that dick is since it didn't come out of a sealed plastic like the condom did.

IN my experience, some girls would not let you touch them after you take off the condom with your hands...they would insist you clean up or something.

Thirdly, this babe might have been feeling neat conscious - she didn't let you finger her cuz of the black stuff in your nails.

Great lay!
 

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Nice going, JP.

Although, I would encourage you NOT to get into an exclusive relationship right now.

You're on a study abroad tour. You and her will head back to one another's respective countries in the not-too-distant future, and whatever you have together will more or less be over at that point.

What makes it difficult in this case was that she was so successful in stretching this one out over a plethora of dates before sex happens. She now feels like it's a provider-style relationship, while you're going to be inclined to value her more highly. Tough to navigate.

She also did loads of expectation setting beforehand, heavily vetting you as "not a player" despite her 10-guy head start on you (not sure how old the two of you are... if you're 21 or so, 11 guys for her at that age is relatively normal for a Western European girl, but if you're, say, 19 or 20, she's definitely a freak). Not exactly like she's been hewing closely to exclusive long-term relationships, unless she started sleeping with guys at age 10. And that's assuming when she says "11" she means "11", but women usually revise down - even the ones that seem super honest (especially the ones that seem super honest?).

This girl was looking to lock up a guy for a relationship, which Western women tend to do in Asia because the pickings are slim for them and scarcity sets in (the Western men are all shagging local girls, and the local guys are all one of either not appealing, not confident, or not interested). It might be tough to do, but I'd advise you for the sake of your own learning to game on and see what else you can do.

Doesn't mean you have to break up with her. Simply don't pledge your undying fidelity just yet. Push your comfort zone a little bit more and see what you can muster up.

Chase
 

JPWorld

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Wow.

First of all, thank you Chase for taking the time to read the report and then give your ever-valued advice.

As ever, you are spot on.

However, I will just give a few more details and a back-story to then see if we can work out a good solution to this.

I'm currently 20, my relationship history consists of two girlfriends when I was 15-16, both lasting around 5-6 months each. My sexual history (as of now) is four lays. All of which are on here (and wouldn't have happened without here). Can be read here: viewtopic.php?t=9417 and here: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9591&p=46574#p46574

She is 22. She lost her virginity at the age of 18, she was then in a 2 year relationship with someone. After that, from what I can work out, she has only had short-term relationships (she's done a few Study Abroad periods before - how much that's related I'm unsure...I'm not suggesting she hops from country to country, having pointless short-term relationships) and she says only one or two of her lays are ONS (obviously you're honesty-thing comes in...true?...not sure). I don't know if that improves or worsens the situation for me, but that's the best I can work out at the moment.

Now, I also think there are some advantages and of course disadvantages to going exclusive with her at the moment:

Dis:

1. As you also said, it did wait until 'date' 3 before sex. It would have been 'date' 2 but she was swinging in and out of the 'mood'. Therefore, I am slipping towards the provider end of the spectrum. (Help with this?)

2. I will not game other girls (as such) and she has already said she doesn't want "To share me" (let me sleep with other girls).

HOWEVER, I have been reading the relationship articles and I took very good note of a section that said something like:

When guys get out of a relationship, especially long-term, they make up excuses that they don't know how to pick up girls anymore. But the truth is, they should never stop. They should always be flirting, being playful, gaining attraction from other women right under their partner's nose, whilst building and improving fundaments and sexual frames.

This was something I was planning on doing, but not to the extent that you then suggested (which I'll get to in a minute).

3. It's simple and safe, which could seem weak from me at the moment when we both know I've got the potential to keep on pushing.

4. I could be wasting an opportunity on gaming Asian chicks and instead spending the time and effort into a relationship that is inevitably going to end in around 4 months time.

Ads:

1. As I mentioned before-hand, the next few months are going to be extremely stressful and busy and the amount of time I can give up to go out and pick up, date and then sleep with new girls is not a lot compared to the simplicity of meeting up with her. Sounds silly, but that's the way that is.

2. We are both aware that in about four months time it will be over. Although we haven't mentioned it once, it's still clear and it's clearly not going to get too deep and turn long distance. And I will make sure of that. It will simply be a fun, simple relationship for 4 months.


3. Although I was making good progress gaming, I did at one point have the little thought of how it would be to have a relationship at this last stage in the academic year, to be able to use it to gain sexual experience, try new things and have some consistency. Also to work on my fundamentals and body language etc, something I've been working A LOT on lately (and helped me get the foursome) and I can use the time to see how much I can get away with whilst knowing I've still got a bird on my arm. However, I guess you could argue doing that with new girls would be more beneficial.

4. The sex is pretty damn good.

5. We generally get on well. (Sounds silly haha)

6. It's simple, safe and is working.

7. The logistics for me for new girls really isn't ideal; I'm struggling to be able to work out when to get her to mine to shag her at the moment, so new girls would ALWAYS have to be at their place. Not impossible, for sure, you and me both have done that before...but tougher.

8. This is a big one - At the moment, the group from the UK that came to China are in a 'bubble'. Due to workload, our campus location and the timidness of local Chinese students, we all struggle to break out and get outside social groups. This means that everyone knows and sees everything - and they have already seen us together and labelled us. Therefore, if I were to suddenly drop this down to a very casual relationship and sleep with new people, the new girls would have to be INCREDIBLY secret and would have to be well outside the social circle (that's not impossible). The fact I'm going to spend the next 2 years in very close proximity with this group means that my reputation is on the line. If they find out I've cheated on her for a silly shag or two, all the work I've done to build myself up into a high-value male will be shot to pieces and their opinion of me for the rest of my University career spent with them will not be very high at all.

Moving into and now staying in this relationship with her has already gained me good respect from them as they have seen/heard of my 'player' side (4 shags...wow...guilt as charged...!) and I'm now showing I can be high-value partner material, too.

Chase said:
It might be tough to do, but I'd advise you for the sake of your own learning to game on and see what else you can do.

Now, I TOTALLY see your point here and am obviously grateful for the encouragement for me to reach my full potential, but I generally don't know how much more I can get away with without screwing more up than I gain. You may think I'm being young and naive and going into this with blinkers on but it is going to be tough to navigate.

The fact that she is already hooked is going to make this harder. I saw someone post something ages ago (I think it was Ricardus...?) who said he purposely doesn't make the sex too good when sleeping with new girls, just to make sure they don't hook. I didn't quite do that (...ooops..) and as you can see I kind of blew her mind slightly with the sex and she can't wait for another seeing to.

Chase said:
Doesn't mean you have to break up with her. Simply don't pledge your undying fidelity just yet. Push your comfort zone a little bit more and see what you can muster up.

That point really hits home and I don't want to let you or myself down with what I could be doing.

The real question, I think at the end of all of this, is:

Do I keep it how it is and make sure it doesn't go too deep or do I, somehow, turn this lighter and keep secretly gaming in the 'outside world'?

As I said, your advice is so, so appreciated...(and anyone else who has any thoughts)

- JP
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake
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