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Okay. So we all know the "good nights." Plenty of girls, great music, there's a vibe in the air that makes you feel king of the world. There's those couple of girls making eyes with you. You know they're interested and you start talking to them and one thing leads to another. The good nights full of opportunity.
But there are also nights were it feels like nothing is going your way, the crowd is small and girls just don't seem interested. You try talking but girls are cold. You just feel like tonight is not the night. I just wanted to know if these "bad nights" are just like a bad hand in poker or if they are due to you not trying hard enough. Can we have nights where there are no opportunities? Or is that just me not giving it my all??

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No, sometimes things just aren't right. And most of it is out of your control.

For example, everything could be on point. Your hair, your style, your vibe, your body language, etc. is flawless. You're feeling relaxed and positive. You're enjoying yourself. But…

There are only 3 girls at the bar, and they're all with their boyfriends, you find out after a brief chat. You move to the next venue… and it's a sausage fest. Men are frustrated and testosterone is running high. None of the women are particularly attractive.

So despite the fact that you're hitting on all cylinders… your external environment may just suck due to the randomness of circumstances. It's out of your control. And some nights, you'll be off because your neurochemistry is messed up. You're tired. You giving off negative vibes and it turns people off. You can't bat 1.00, you're not gonna be shooting 100% field goals all the time.

So even if you're actively trying to seduce women at any particular time, it's always best to relax and enjoy yourself no matter what, and not make your satisfaction or happiness dependent on whether you get laid or not. Not to say that we should become complacent, but rather be satisfied with our progress and our effort and just keep pushing.

If you put out your best effort and you're constantly working on growing and learning from your mistakes, then you shouldn't feel like you've failed. Enjoy the process and cherish the experiences and moments you create, even in failure.
 
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I'm going to have to disagree with JJ a tad on this one mostly here:
J.J. said:
sometimes things just aren't right. And most of it is out of your control.

Reason being I just prefer to not render any responsibility to the external. If I have a bad/off night I want it to be my fault.

In my experience I've never been out on a thur.,fri.,sat. night where no one was out and about. If you live in a big enough city people will go out and having an abundance of women shouldn't be an issue.

My worst nights come usually based on the mood I'm in, which is highly subjective and never permanent.

Even if everyone's vibe is off and girls are cold/bitchy or whatever it's still your responsibility to break them out of it. Emotional transference, whatever you feel they feel. That's why for me it's important to get proactive, talk to LOTS of girls/people, dance, joke around, and get myself in a good mood and out of my head. I know once I get myself feeling amazing in my own body it's very hard for women to reject me because I bring positive emotion, sexual fun, and witty conversation (what girls going to resist that).

Being proactive is key for me. If I'm stuck in my head and don't start taking action I know I'm going to get further stuck in my head and be the weird club chode that walks around the club aimlessly making excuses as to why he can't approach or why his half hearted approaches aren't going the way he wants.

There have been nights I was stuck in my head completely, couldn't get any girls to open, thinking about going home, and then out of the blue I have one good little interaction which changes my whole mood and then open the next girl and have it go great and she's all up on me.

If you're having a bad night take the blame on yourself.

J.J. said:
So even if you're actively trying to seduce women at any particular time, it's always best to relax and enjoy yourself no matter what, and not make your satisfaction or happiness dependent on whether you get laid or not.
This however is very true and golden advice.

-Rob
 

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Mr.Rob said:
My worst nights come usually based on the mood I'm in, which is highly subjective and never permanent.

Resilience has a lot to do with this. The more you cold approach, the tougher a skin you build up and the better able you are to view things in terms of looking for that asymmetric return while out.

Here's an example:

Guy A has only done a handful of cold approaches before. He goes out on a Friday, approaches a girl, it goes nowhere and she's rather cold to him. His confidence takes a big hit, but he pushes himself to do another approach. This one goes even worse. He soldiers through two more before throwing the towel in and writing it off as an "off night".

Guy B has been cold approaching several years. He goes out and his first four approaches go exactly as Guy A's did, only these only serve to embolden him, because he considers them as warming up; "Gearing up to play hard tonight!" he tells himself. In the end, he sticks with the night and keeps a good mindset about him, which makes him a lot more likely to come off with a new girl on his arm, regardless of whether he's doing lots of approaches or just a few targeted ones - either way, he stays out, stays positive, and that ups his odds of pulling something off infinitely over the guy who just leaves and goes home.

Another consideration here is that Guy B is experienced enough by this point too that he can do a quick analysis of WHY those first four interactions were brush offs and pretty quickly come up with a list of things he's a little off on that he can adjust on his next approach. "Okay - first approach, my opener was lame and I was standing way too far away from her. Need to get closer and be a lot more sincere about my interest." "Okay, second approach it kicked off well, and then I got into boring interview-style questions without challenging her one bit. Need to bust girls' stones a little at the outset and/or get a little early compliance soon into opening."

He makes these adjustments, and the rest of his approaches the remainder of the night go a lot more smoothly.

Guy A can't do this yet because he doesn't have the experience, so all he can do is look around and say, "It isn't working and I DON'T know WHY." He can stick in there and take some punishment just to get more experience, or he can fold and head home, but either way he probably doesn't stand much of a chance of troubleshooting his game then and there.

Mood still plays a part of it, and that's where resilience really kicks in. A guy who's skilled with women but is feeling out-of-sorts might go out and do some approaches and trust in his own proficiency to kick in and save him despite not being on his game, but if he isn't analyzing and adjusting properly or his mood is really messed up, maybe nothing's clicking 12 or 15 approaches in and now he's really starting to question himself, the same way the less experienced guy is after 1 or 2.

One final consideration is how much success the guy's had pulling. If you are the sort who will push yourself to keep going even after you mentally write a night off as a bust, you'll stack up reference points over time of all sorts of nights where you'd said to yourself, "I've exhausted all my energy, nothing is working, this night is going nowhere," then you do one more approach and that's the girl it clicks with like crazy and you take her home and shag. Or, you walk out of the venue, thinking, "Gah, the night's over," but push yourself to do a few street approaches and end up sleeping with a girl that way. By the time you've had enough of these, even if it's closing time and you didn't get anything you'll still be saying, "That was silly of me - I hardly approached!" or "There were two girls I easily could've pulled who were eyeing me all night, and I just never got over to them."

That more or less eliminates bad nights. Even the nights where things just go completely awry end up looking amusing to you, because, well, heck, who could've predicted THAT would happen? And then you can always just go out again the next night and things will be back to normal once more.

Doesn't necessarily mean every night will be GOOD; some nights end up being a waste of time if you go out and end up not doing anything, or get stuck with some group of people you went out or met up with who are lame, or whatnot.

But your outings don't have the kind of painful, torturous impact they do when you're new and have a lot of hopes and expectations riding on how you think things ought to go, only for them to not go that way. Once you're more skilled, you both take a lot more action, while also expecting a lot less (and of course, your game and fundamentals will be stronger too) - this means you're a lot more likely to have something "good" happen, while being outcome independent enough that it won't make your night "bad" if it doesn't.

Chase
 

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Ok thank you for all the replies. Now I've been on a few nights out since the start of this post and considered all you advice. Firstly what I've now learnt is that yes, sometimes it can be a bad night. Sometimes you just end up with crap odds. However like chase says, with experience comes the ability to assess your game in the night and adjust accordingly. However Just like Mr Rob points out, sometimes it can be because your not trying hard enough. I have a friend who is very advanced with girls and the social arts and I learn a lot from him. During my nights out I realized that he is a heavy flirt. Now I'm still in beginner-intermediate stage so although I have far more game and fundamentals than the average guy; my game is still loose with lot's of errors. But one thing I found was not doing was flirting hard enough. My flirting was too soft. So on these so called bad nights I would have no chance but when nights were good I wouldn't be able to project myself as a sexual man who is aggressive. This eventually led any girl not really receiving my advances and categorizing me as "not interested." In a way you can say that I didn't even try.
So lesson learnt. Not all nights are great, however when they are are you need to make sure that game and fundamentals (which I have improved massively over the past few months) are up to scratch. Plus you need to have the experience to adjust on the fly. So thank you, currently I have decided that my goal is to flirt harder and more efficiently.

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