Can tall/fit/handsome guys teach pick up?

[lux7]

.. And I don't even mean all the 3 of them.

Just being high in one of the qualities in the subject without being bad in the other 2 would be enough to be above average.

If one is tall (possibly the most important quality), fit or even better a bit muscular (second most important quality) and slightly above average looking (or even average looking, this is only the 3rd most important) he has everything easy because he's by default better than 60-70%.

At this point, pick up skills are mostly inherent (of course most will know a tall hot guy that is bad with women, but we're talking about broad trends here).
A guy like this is much more likely to already be confident as he's received positive feedback all life long. He already has an abundance mentality because he's got -and he's had- an abundance of options. He's more likely to be socially outgoing, to have a social life and to be socially skilled.

And since being good with women is highly connected to having options and being good socially, a physically above average guy is often good with women by default.

He's even much more likely to be successful in all the other fields of life, professional life included.

 

[lux7]

And many "PUA" teachers seem to belong to this category who's good -or has everything lined up to be good- (almost) by default.

People that don't even actually need to go to the mall or be at the club every weekend teach how to do so.

I feel there's a huge divide between "suggestion givers" and "takers".
The first group tend to simply be physically better equipped.

But given their totally different extraction, can they teach anything to short, scrawny, bespectacled, fat pimply people when they have no idea how it is being short, scrawny, bald.. ?

Does it make any sense at all telling a short balding guy to go up to a hot girl and "pretend she already likes you" because it works for the handsome instructor?
The result for the other guy would be a ridiculous laughable situation 99% of the times...

 

[Franco]

luc,

But given their totally different extraction, can they teach anything to short, scrawny, bespectacled, fat pimply people when they have no idea how it is being short, scrawny, bald.. ?

Besides height (which actually can at least be helped by wearing boots or shoes with some lift), most of these things can be greatly enhanced by external sources. Chase emphasizes maxing out these attributes rather than ignoring them and trying to use "game" to overcome them.

Are you scrawny? Start eating more protein and lifting weights. Are you fat? Start dieting and lifting weights / doing some more cardio. Are you bald? Learn to get an assortment of sexy hats/beanies that flare up your style. Do you have acne trouble? Start taking better care of your skin -- and one secret here is actually to stop washing your face with soap as it removes the natural oils that protect your pores from getting dirt in them.

There are plenty of ways to change all of these attributes, and sadly, many of the people who have these issues do nothing to correct them. They instead complain that they are "just that way" and also complain when they aren't getting attention from women because the "more attractive" men are the ones who have more success. In reality, a lot of these men just spend extra time each day making sure they are enhancing their appearance.

Women spend hours each day enhancing their appearances, so isn't it unfair to think that men shouldn't have to do the same? Some men will have natural handsomeness (just like some women will have natural beauty), but appearance can always be enhanced by external sources, and these are sources that are available to everyone -- you just have to recognize what those things are and use them to the best of your ability.

- Franco

 

[lux7]

True, true, even if I think that the improvement one can have is a bit limited, it's also true that focusing on shortcomings won't bring you anything and, even more important, won't help you in any way to stay happy and cheerful .

Mine was some kind of a rant/personal reflection in seeing a lot of the "teachers" coming from the fit/good looking spectrum and wondering if that kind of extraction makes them well equipped to teaching/preaching to people that haven't the goods (also interesting is the fact that it seems that many of them weren't that good with women but it's not a coincidence: the good looking ones that were good are extremely unlikely to spend much time with "pick up literature").

 

[lux7]

I was thinking -as I spend more time home half sick, I also spend more time thinking.. - that the physical characteristics one has should also determine the best way he can present himself

Most of the suggestion of "being alpha-like" could be a consequence of the fact that most mentors do have the physical characteristics to be alpha.

But I feel that suggestion could be counter productive for people with other

I remember I had this professor at school, short and stubby, darkish, a bit fattish too. Quite unattractive.
He was that kind of guy that could -and often did- laugh about himself, a person with that kind of a warm sympathizing smile that makes you feel good about, always happy and positive.
But also very knowledgeable and deep when he wanted.

Some of the girls liked him -interesting also what kind of girls liked him but I don't want to make this too long-, and of course some of that was because of the teacher/student relationship, but I think there was more about it.

Now, for a guy like that, following some popular advise like "talk less, move slow, be sexy" could also bring him to be less successful.

 

[Nuncle]

I think there is a lot more to pick-up than being physically attractive, or indeed attractive in any way. Being attractive will make HBs allow you to talk to them in the first place but that is all. You still need to turn them on, build rapport, bust their balls, close the deal, handle logistics, pass tests etc. etc.

Women find me attractive, intriguing and edgy but I have a terrible record with them because I always play the game wrong and have never forced myself to do a load of approaches to learn how to play it right. Plus I'm a bit of a wuss who will use any excuse not to escalate (it will piss her off/it's not the third date/she looks bored/she said she has a boyfriend etc)

I have attractive friends who play the game better than me but it's still very hit and miss for them, both in terms of quantity and quality. They're not bringing back an 8/9/10 every time they leave the house which is really the sort of record a PUA apparently enjoys.

Then when I think back to naturals I have known, a lot of them have come across as very boring, average, forgettable people. If I hadn't known they were naturals I would have hardly paid them any attention.

So yes there's still a hell of a lot an attractive guy can learn. And as Franco says a lot of the "Gurus" out there have made themselves a lot more attractive than they used to be.