Clarification: What is the purpose of game?

[ElderPrice]

Been wondering about this question lately. Seems like a Game 101 type of question that I just never picked up the right answer to along this journey. This is what I've been wondering about lately:

Is the purpose of game more so...

1. to just teach the individual how to identify and fix the mistakes he's making? So this would be like the individual has plenty of cute girls out there who are clearly into him, but he's screwing up in his interactions with them, whether that's stuff like deep diving when he should be pulling, going for 3 dates before sex instead of 1, coming across as overly excited rather than chill, being afraid and not approaching even when they're clearly eye fucking him, etc.

or it is

2. to teach the individual how to convert better with the tons of girls out there who are "meh" about him? So this would be like the individual doesn't need help with the girls who are into him. With them, he can make plenty of mistakes and they'll still want to see him and make it easy for him. This would be for the individual where like 80% of the girls he encounters aren't crazy into him or crazy not into him either. He sort of needs to be perfect to pull those girls. Is this an issue of game? Or just a case of improving fundamentals? Is there really a difference?

I know you can answer this question with "both," but is that completely true? Do you focus on one aspect over the other at different parts in the journey? Would a noob focus on 1 and an intermediate on 2? How would you define game in the context of this question? Thanks guys!

 

[Seppuku]

Interesting question.

For me, the first goal of game is to learn to not screw it up. If the guy is not a complete social zero, there are tons of girls out there who would like him. But he doesn't get with them, because (i) he wouldn't even appear on their radar, and (ii) when he does appear on their radar he completely screws it up (unless by sheer luck).

He doesn't appear on their radar, because he would need a minimum of masculine aggressiveness to just enter into their life (read: make a step). But if by chance he gets into their life, he misses all the signals she is sending, he is confused by her (apparent) contradictions, he starts doubting, he goes prudent, waits to be sure, and finally misses the window - and she autorejects in frustration: another guy who doesn't get it.

But a secondary consequence of learning game is that, the more partners he gets, the more attractive he becomes, and the more girls like him, and less girls feel 'meh' about him.

There will always be 'meh' girls. The 'meh' girls are going to be incredibly difficult anyway, and are a pure waste of time, when he could use the same time to easily get the girls who like him. For me it is not about turning around the 'meh' girls, but more about learning how to make it happen with the girls who like him, and making himself more attractive so that there are less 'meh' girls.

Seppuku

 

[ElderPrice]

Interesting answer Seppuku! Does any of that change depending on girls' attractiveness?

 

[Seppuku]

Interesting answer Seppuku! Does any of that change depending on girls' attractiveness?

Absolutely not.

You "game" a HB9+ girl, exactly the same way you do a HB6. It is in fact absolutely essential to not doing anything different. The HB9+ girls live in a world of men in awe who all "game her prudent" and put her on pedestals. You will really impress her if you do not flinch an inch at her beauty and treat her like just another girl.

And for girls who initially feel "meh" about you, I don't think you can do much to turn her around - irrespective of her own attractiveness. There was a post from Chase where he says that attraction is either there in the first place, or not at all, and cannot be created. This post has thrown a lot of confusion on the Boards. But it is basically true. When I'm on a date, and pull her home, and conclude, I am only capitalizing on an attraction that was already there. The "creating attraction" that has been discussed here and there, actually means "building intrigue and arousal". The actual attraction was already there.

Now when you do not capitalize on the opportunity, she is going to rationalize it as "he doesn't really like me after all" and autoreject. The only way to actually demonstrate that you do like her and avoid that, is to put a certain part of you inside her. Like Chase said, dating is a mating dance who should conclude by mating.

Once she autorejected, she is now the same as a "meh" girl. Congratulation, you just fucked up, and turned her attraction into frustration and denial.

I know it's hard to read. I can't begin to even think about the number of girls I disappointed this way, before I finally understood my lesson and started to apply it. So that's why I say, learning game is learning not to fuck up.

There are many nuances.

• Much more girls have attraction for you than you suspect
• Some girls do not seem to be attracted, but if you attempt to lead her home you may have unsuspected positive surprise
• A girl who accepts to clear off some time to go on a date with you, is a girl who most likely has some attraction for you
• When you have had very few partners, it is very hard to get one. When you have had plenty, it is extremely easy to get another one. It is like they have a general sense of your sexual experience level. A guy with plenty of sexual experience under his belt, is extremely attractive. Less "meh" girls!

Seppuku