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Improvementalist

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I was sitting with two pals of mine at a local diner the other day. We where chatting about various topics when I heard a voice to the side of me, saying to herself:

"I'm just going to sit down here..."

A woman arrived to the table, she was apparently an acquaintance of one of my pals. She had her eyes down and was just about to sit when she noticed me. She hesitated and asked,

"May I?"

My two pals rushed to comply with her, "Sure sure! Go ahead! :D". I kept my cool and gestured her to sit down without saying much.

"So the lecture's at xx.xx, right?", asking my pals.

I felt like this was a small excuse from her to sit at the table, to ask the lecture time. Either she had sat down to just chit chat with her pals, or she wanted to know who this new and unknown guy (me) was. I shaked her hand and told my name, then asking hers. (a small mistake. I could've just asked what's her name and see if she follows up to ask mine.)

These two pals of mine, they're a good bunch but I'd say they fall into the nice guy category. Compliant and agreeable. I don't know if she's established herself as a token girl for these guys (they were clearly in the friend zone), but I was the only one to challenge her. Nevertheless, in the beginning I could instantly see that she saw myself as lower value or that she was at least suspicious of me. Probably thought I'm just another nice guy, since I hang out with people like these. I decided to challenge her views about me.

Many could describe this woman as hot. Tan brown skin, a beautiful face, a sharp look in her eyes and a witty mind. It turned out she's into science which is one of my weaknesses when it comes to women. To me, women who know stuff are just incredibly attractive.
However, this girl was bordering between being cocky and being arrogant and I wasn't sure if I was put off by it or not. It didn't really increase her points as it made her look like she could be one of those club divas - but then again I like a challenge.
I made me sure not to fall into chasing her. It was like she was perhaps slightly attracted but had her shields up.


I asked what she studies, and she mentioned a specific field of science. I didn't knew too well about that specific field, but I was more familiar with a subfield very close to it. Think of biology compared to evolutionary biology, that kind of connection.

She was talking how she's studied about phenomenon x. I knew a bit about it, but I wanted to challenge her so instead of building a connection with this topic, I decided to change the topic into the subfield.

"So.. Daria (let's call her this), have you heard about phenomenon y?"

She became slightly confused and hesitated again. The topic was either unfamiliar to her or she thought I didn't know about the topic and that I was meaning her phenomenon x. (as I mentioned, she saw myself as lower value and this was the first time when I actually surprised her.)

"You.. You mean phenomenon x?" (trying to bring the topic back to the one she knew the most about)

"No. (standing my ground) I'm talking about phenomenon y. It's a hot topic right now. Have you heard about it? (roasty roasty)"

"Oh.. Well of course I have."

She hadn't clearly heard about it lol, she only said it in order to save face. I could've easily busted her balls here by asking her to explain the topic to me, but I decided I had enough of roasting her. I continued to explain the topic to her, and she was really interested to hear about it. She however said she doesn't buy it, that it sounds too far-fetched, so I continued to explain the topic in a more accurate detail in order to convince her and to convince that I really knew what I was talking about.
She ended up believing me and was wowed by what she had just heard. I felt like I had improved my value in her eyes without actually appearing as I was trying to prove my worth. It all came in a cool way.

After this topic, my two pals continued to talk about another topic. I noticed Daria had become more silent, so I decided to give the stage to her, after I had spent much of my time talking just a moment ago.

"So Daria.. What are your interests? What do you like to do in your free time?"

Wow, did she start talking. I think she talked for at least 5 minutes straight.

She brought up different topics and I built rapport naturally, because these same topics were familiar to me too. And funnily enough, they were completely unfamiliar to my two pals.

Daria, half laughing and half surprised to my two pals: Fuck you, guys! You seriously haven't heard about these?


It felt funny how me and her had more connection having just met, than these two whom she had probably spent a good amount of time in the past. I wasn't still sure if I would go show my cards by asking for her number and asking her for a casual date. Perhaps she expected for me to do this, but I wanted to see how she would react if I simply walked away.

"Well.. It's been nice meeting you, but I have to go now."

Daria: Samewise. :)

I shaked her hand and one of my pals wanted to ask if it'll be a while until I'll see them again. I said it may be a while.

Daria, in a witty tone: Hopefully not too soon, eh guys?


Lol, cocky until the end.

I gave her a smirk and walked away.

I happened to pass by the diner again 5 - 10 minutes later. She was still with the guys but her body position gave away that she was the least interested in conversating with them - she was actually talking with three other people whom she had quickly greeted when they arrived there. They sat another table and she was still sitting at the table of my pals. She had turned her chair almost 90 degrees away from the table where she was sitting, so she could focus more on the pals at the another table. Notice that these three people had arrived there back when I was still at the table: She started to focus on them only after I had left.


If we'll meet again and the conversation flows nicely, I might even ask for her number.



Thoughts on how I went through with this? Did I botch things by walking away - should've I tried to move faster (ask her for a date etc.)? Or did I increase the attraction level by appearing as independent, aloof and mysterious? Was she interested in me to begin with?

Thanks beforehand.
 

Smith

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lol dude your game may be 10 out of 10 but if you don't move things forward....
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

skin_man

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Improvementalist said:

Well rounded report. I feel like she was generally being social and like she saw you were a guy who gets it, attempted to flirt with you. I understand that you are applying 'the downplay her interest and get the girl' sequence as written by Cody on this site. It's fabulous and I do it often now more than ever. It keeps her hot for you and makes you more intriguing.

However, you still have to make a move. I suggest in such scenarios that you deep dive for: HER logistics; HER schedule; HER control of time - that is what sort of work that keeps her busy. You found out what she did in her free time and that works as well.

To move things from here do the following:

Handle your phone and swing it passively (without keeping your eyes on it) but in a position where she see it. Girls do this all the time when they feel a guy would want to ask her number. When you do this, she may ask you about your phone and bring a conversation there. Simply, use that chance to dial her number on it and tell her you'd ping her to continue "our chat."

Otherwise, basically indirect-direct and say, "I think you are quite attractive. i like the vibe you have with this group and I'm thinking you would do well as a teammate for drinks and soda. How do you see that? Anyways, let's strike a time to do that right after now or right away if you are not doing anything.

She may blush or seem cool but whatever reaction you get, prod some more as she may just be resisting to save face, if she still doesn't bite, forget it - she wouldn't have come out in the first place.
 

Chase

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Improvementalist-

To second (or perhaps third) Smith and skin_man, you can run the smoothest conversation in the world, but if you don’t get the girl it’s reactions, not results.

I used to do stuff like this in school, and I know my reasoning back then was basically, “I’m going to impress the socks off my buddies by showing them how into me this girl is,” followed by, “Well, I’m not completely sure she’ll say yes if I ask her out, so I’d better not, so I don’t jeopardize the awe my buddies hold me in right now. Plus, they’ll be even MORE impressed if I just walk away like a boss.”

I realized a little later on when I started asking girls out in front of my pals that impressed them way more (whether a girl said yes or no) than me walking off like I was too cool for school, or me flirting masterfully yet coming away with nothing to show for it.

Nothing is more impressive than actually taking the risk and asking the girl out / trying to move things forward. Most guys are too scared to do it, so when you do, all they can do is look on and marvel.

Also good form to not assume you will run into girls again whom you’ve only met on occasion. If you haven’t met her before and only met her just now by chance, hoping to perhaps run into her again at some point leaves everything up to fate. And fate isn’t always the most considerate of mistresses.

All that said, you did a great job running the conversation. Now, next time, ask the girl out :)

Chase
 

Improvementalist

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I thank you all for your replies. And Chase himself showed up, I'm humbled!

I read your posts back when you posted these, and returned to read them again later. Reactions/not results is definitely the thing I need to develop. I'm in a position where I've basically got cold approached by womans a few times. For some reason though, I just dwell in the reactions but try not to reach actual results.

I will try to change this. Thank you once more.
 
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