College Reputation

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Hey guys,

I've read some posts about college pickup, but I have very specific questions regarding reputation and college pick-up.

1. I'm at a relatively small school (~7,000 students, 60% of which are women). Everytime I walk to class, I see 10-20 people I know. I've done two-cold approaches this semester, both of which were successful, but I'm wary about how much I can do this before I might garner a reputation as a guy who does this to everyone...which leads to two more questions

2. Is a reputation for talking to lots of women a form of pre-selection OR does it dilute how "special" your approaches are? If people know that you "normally approach random girls," will girls who I approach feel less special about being approached, if they have heard of me?

3. Does this question change if I told you that I'm already a very well-known guy on campus (I guess you could say popular, but I don't want to entrench myself in hierarchy)? I'm president of my fraternity, was president of our interfraternity council before that, as well as my fraternity's social chair (I threw parties and talked to EVERYONE), and have many, many friends in every organization.

4. Persistence vs Chasing. I feel like I understand the distinction, but there are a few girls who've I've fooled around with (anywhere from making out to one girl who sucked me off in the bathroom during a party) who are being flaky or are not responding to my texts. I have no fear persisting, but if they were to ever, for instance, show their sorority sister/friends my persistence, by either showing them my texts or talking about my multiple attempts, is that positive for my reputation or not?

Some of these girls were failed escalations, which I understand now, especially after having read Chase's "3 Second Date Strategies to Make Her Swoon," will probably never get with me, but some of the other girls I feel may still be attainable.

These questions are especially important now that I am staying an extra few years at school (just switched my major).

Hope these questions help others in the same boat,

Anatman

 

[Mr.Rob]

I have these same thoughts/worries at my school. Though my situations different. My school is kinda lame (mixed age ranging from 20-60) and doesn't have a mad abundance of hot women. I'm not known almost at all at my school so I have no reputation, therefore it's different with me.

The way I see it since I don't have a reputation it's better to have a reputation, even if it's bad, than not have one at all. So I have no problem cold approaching here and there on campus but when I do I want to do it in a way such as: chatting up everyone I come in contact with and fucking with people I don't know on the way to class so I'm expected to chat you up if you see me. I have yet to have someone not enjoy me chatting them up and they usually leave better off than I found them (I'm selfish and enjoy the feeling of brightening people's day with my vibe, though I care less about their feelings than mine, it makes my personal feelings better when I share something as cheap and easy as good energy). Idk maybe I'm too accommodating and friendly but so far I have yet to have someone not enjoy chatting them up for a couple of seconds/minutes. Though I interact differently with women I chat up, here I put some sexiness into the mix (as much as I can muster at least) and make a remark (not opening, though maybe) "I assume you're on your way to go meet your boyfriend for lunch" that will let me know if their single or not. Though sometimes I use that as an opener "Hi, are you single?".

All in all

If people know that you "normally approach random girls," will girls who I approach feel less special about being approached, if they have heard of me?

I think if you make it part of who you are and do it in a smooth charismatic way (which based of your LR's seems like something you're quite capable of) I don't see why you couldn't get away with it.

But take this advice with a grain of salt because what works for me and my non existent social reputation at my school may not work for you. I don't know what it's like to be "popular" (not meaning this in a negative way but there simply are no popular people at my school... except for some of the professors.. then again maybe I am popular ) so it could backfire. But I seriously doubt it. You can take action and correct it if something happens, that's the philosophy I try and operate from at least.

If you're really sketched out you could always go indirect if you have to.
You: "Hey Susan!"
Her: "Uhh"
You: "Oh wait you're not Susan, I swear you look exactly like my ex wife.... I mean uh my names Anatman "

Maybe not exactly that but you get the point.

Idk hope this helped. Hope the others weigh in I think it would be interesting.

-Rob

 

[Ross]

2. Is a reputation for talking to lots of women a form of pre-selection OR does it dilute how "special" your approaches are? If people know that you "normally approach random girls," will girls who I approach feel less special about being approached, if they have heard of me?

I wouldn't worry too much about girls not feeling special because they think of you as the guy who talks to a lot of women. It is definitely pre-selection, however, if you're doing your job right. They may not feel special later on, especially if you have a reputation for sleeping with women, but it doesn't necessarily apply to the emotions experienced in the middle of an approach.

3. Does this question change if I told you that I'm already a very well-known guy on campus (I guess you could say popular, but I don't want to entrench myself in hierarchy)? I'm president of my fraternity, was president of our interfraternity council before that, as well as my fraternity's social chair (I threw parties and talked to EVERYONE), and have many, many friends in every organization.

Social value carries something completely different. However, in a pick-up scenario you want to be focused on your value as a lover. There is an article on my mind that explains the pros and cons of being well known. It certainly isn't a bad thing, but word can get out that you're a player if everyone knows your name. Getting this reputation isn't a bad thing. When girls tell each other, "Yeah, that Frat president is amazing in bed!" You can set up chasing dynamics extremely easily. But the same girls can cause a headache in drama, get jealous, and you're prone to random white knights approaching you and criticizing your lifestyle, as well as women worrying about slut shaming if someone finds out you guys slept together.

who are being flaky or are not responding to my texts. I have no fear persisting, but if they were to ever, for instance, show their sorority sister/friends my persistence, by either showing them my texts or talking about my multiple attempts, is that positive for my reputation or not?

Persistence: Breaking past a woman's logical barriers because you know that you're right.

You: "Long time no talk Jenna. We need to hang out!"
Her: "I can't... Too busy with studying"
You: "Do you like cheesecake? The rich, creamy kind?"
Her: "Yeah! Who doesn't..."
You: "Cheesecake sounds a lot better than studying, right?"
Her: "Yeah. But I need to get an A..."
You: : "Yeah! Cheesecake break. So you're down?"
Her: "Fine.."

Chasing: Asking/sucking up to her to get what you want.

You: "Long time no talk Jenna. We need to hang out!"
Her: "I can't... Too busy with studying"
You: "Please . I'm so bored lol. Let's go eat!"
*No response*

Persistence is all about hitting different angles and pushing different buttons. If she were to show her friends that, they'd think you're fun-loving and she's a sourpuss. Chasing on the other hand, is bad news. Note: if you fail during a push for a date, don't re-engage and try again later. That is chasing behavior. If good emotions are cemented in her, you'll have a good chance of her picking up the phone and sending you a text. If not, oh well - likely wouldn't have gotten her out on a date anyways.

(just switched my major)

If I may take a guess. Switched from management to the social sciences?

 

[NaturallySmooth]

Hey guys,

I've read some posts about college pickup, but I have very specific questions regarding reputation and college pick-up.

1. I'm at a relatively small school (~7,000 students, 60% of which are women). Everytime I walk to class, I see 10-20 people I know. I've done two-cold approaches this semester, both of which were successful, but I'm wary about how much I can do this before I might garner a reputation as a guy who does this to everyone...which leads to two more questions

2. Is a reputation for talking to lots of women a form of pre-selection OR does it dilute how "special" your approaches are? If people know that you "normally approach random girls," will girls who I approach feel less special about being approached, if they have heard of me?

3. Does this question change if I told you that I'm already a very well-known guy on campus (I guess you could say popular, but I don't want to entrench myself in hierarchy)? I'm president of my fraternity, was president of our interfraternity council before that, as well as my fraternity's social chair (I threw parties and talked to EVERYONE), and have many, many friends in every organization.

4. Persistence vs Chasing. I feel like I understand the distinction, but there are a few girls who've I've fooled around with (anywhere from making out to one girl who sucked me off in the bathroom during a party) who are being flaky or are not responding to my texts. I have no fear persisting, but if they were to ever, for instance, show their sorority sister/friends my persistence, by either showing them my texts or talking about my multiple attempts, is that positive for my reputation or not?

Some of these girls were failed escalations, which I understand now, especially after having read Chase's "3 Second Date Strategies to Make Her Swoon," will probably never get with me, but some of the other girls I feel may still be attainable.

These questions are especially important now that I am staying an extra few years at school (just switched my major).

Hope these questions help others in the same boat,

Anatman

I also worry about this because I think that girls gossip WAY more than we think they do. I also go to college and at a bigger school than you, and i've had girls come up to me at parties to ask me if i'm into their friends that i've banged before. These are girls who i have never met or seen before, but who know me just through gossip. And trust me, this isn't because of me bragging or somehow letting people know about my personal life - it's only due to girls gossiping with their friends.

I'm now more cautious because I think that it's easy to underestimate how much girls talk with each other

 

[NaturallySmooth]

Just want to add a bit more - by acting more cautiously, I mean that i try not to reject girls in a mean way or ignore girls or lead them on or whatever. If they talk to their friends about me, it will hopefully be in a positive (and maybe slightly nostalgic) way, which should make their friends into me because they will hear about what a good guy I am.


*A reputation on it's own is nothing - it is the way you shape your reputation that determines if it helps you or hurts you*

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

College is an entirely different animal, especially if you go to a college that has a lot of students in the 18-22 range and isn't a community college or one of those schools that lack an active campus life. Pre-selection is the bread and butter of college game, if you want to get the hottest girls, you need the status from my experience.

From what I have seen, PUA does not work well on college campuses, you don't want to end up like that Sean Larson kid at Ohio State University who was called out by girls for approaching so many of them on the campus and running day game. You don't want to try KINO in a university especially if you will see these girls again because if you end up screwing up real bad with one, your reputation will be ruined fast.

What I found about college is that the more social proof you have, the more girls will come to you. If you throw parties and then chat with girls there, it leads to better chances. When you are involved in more activities on campus like clubs and such, you have better chances of hooking up. College girls are not looking to be approached by PUAs, they have already decided what guys they want and it is up to you to be that guy. They want the cool guys who they are familiar with.

They judge you based on how you are interacting with other guys.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Persistence is all about hitting different angles and pushing different buttons. If she were to show her friends that, they'd think you're fun-loving and she's a sourpuss. Chasing on the other hand, is bad news. Note: if you fail during a push for a date, don't re-engage and try again later. That is chasing behavior. If good emotions are cemented in her, you'll have a good chance of her picking up the phone and sending you a text. If not, oh well - likely wouldn't have gotten her out on a date anyways.

Hmm, so should I follow Chase's guide on giving up after trying to get a girl out in 2 weeks? One girl I had over for a night, she was on her period, but I still fingered her and she jerked me off. She texted me about wanting to hangout after our winter break (a month later), but I actually find that girls who explicitly say "text me and we'll hangout X time" flake more than those who don't explicitly show interest over text; it's strange, but can fall under the many reasons Chase outlines in his articles on flaking. The other agreed to hangout as well, but she blew me in the bathroom of a party and might have felt like a slut when I didn't show her much attention after that.

You policy is "if my date suggestion gets ignored or refused, I stop"? Abundance mentality that nonsense out of your mind?

This shit is so fun. It makes Rubick's Cubes look like 5th grade math. But at the same time, it's so simple...

If I may take a guess. Switched from management to the social sciences?

Haha, I'm Philosophy/Religion and Computer Science major (the latter I just picked up and it replaced English). What made you think management? And I assume you guess the social sciences because of my fascination with pick-up?

What I found about college is that the more social proof you have, the more girls will come to you. If you throw parties and then chat with girls there, it leads to better chances. When you are involved in more activities on campus like clubs and such, you have better chances of hooking up. College girls are not looking to be approached by PUAs, they have already decided what guys they want and it is up to you to be that guy. They want the cool guys who they are familiar with.

They judge you based on how you are interacting with other guys.

Hmm, I've done a few cold-approaches now and I'm not sure I agree. I think we just need to stop calling ourselves "PUA"s. There's too much baggage with the acronym. And remember, we're straying from canned routines, so the only thing that is fixed is my opener, the rest I modify according to the interaction.

But I totally agree with "they have already decided what guys they want." We're changing how we come off to reflect their desires; we can never force seduction.


I actually experimented with telling a few people about me studying pick-up. I even wrote an essay in class about it and some people responded negatively, but they weren't surprised at all by it. I have a sense people might find out, and if they did, I wonder if I could make it a positive...that Sean Larson story is disconcerting, but I'm in NO WAY like him.

 

[Ross]

Hmm, so should I follow Chase's guide on giving up after trying to get a girl out in 2 weeks?

Yes. Try to limit yourself to being persistent for a date one time. If you follow the example I gave in my earlier post, that means pushing towards a way to ask once more, then if she denies you again accept defeat and move on. She very well may contact you later on if she is interested, in which case you can lead her into chasing even harder.

One girl I had over for a night, she was on her period, but I still fingered her and she jerked me off. She texted me about wanting to hangout after our winter break (a month later)

There are many different positions on this. I personally feel that if a girl is clearly against sex on her period, I don't want to do anything sexual with her. The girl tends to psyche herself out about sex even if I can convince her otherwise, and she isn't really able to enjoy it as much without some serious emotional management. A good way to get rid of this scenario is to screen for it before putting effort toward an initial lay.

Besides that issue, you should go for a lay ASAP. Let her know that the day she is off her period, you want to see her. The longer it takes, the less likely it is to happen.

You policy is "if my date suggestion gets ignored or refused, I stop"? Abundance mentality that nonsense out of your mind?

Yup. Persist sparingly.

This shit is so fun. It makes Rubick's Cubes look like 5th grade math. But at the same time, it's so simple...

It's a very complex Rubik's Cube that we've managed to figure out .

Haha, I'm Philosophy/Religion and Computer Science major (the latter I just picked up and it replaced English). What made you think management? And I assume you guess the social sciences because of my fascination with pick-up?

Lots of people choose business, and because you were already in a leadership position, management seemed like the obvious choice. Philosophy or Psychology was what I was thinking you switched to because of your recent involvement here.

that Sean Larson story is disconcerting, but I'm in NO WAY like him.

Sean Larson is taught by a different mentality which abuses confirmation bias and blaming everyone but himself for the things which happen to him. Leaves him feeling awesome about himself, but not many people enjoy being in the presence of that. If anyone started acting like that on here, we'd likely shut them down.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Well, I accurately anticipated something - my reputation for talking to a lot of girls is already there. One sorority on campus, I apparently have "talked to" 7 girls in the same pledge class (the recent freshman class). And it's true, I've gone one dates/fooled around with more than 3. I'm putting up a FR+ where I include the girl who told this to me.