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Tkr

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Hey everybody,
Just had a splendid date that didn't end out the way I hope for. I've realized that most my 1st date success is with experienced girls that are up for it so after this one I'm looking to bridge the gap and figure out how to land the more virgin-like ladies.

Meet/#:
Met her on a bus, I came in after her and sat down the single seat in front and opened by the window. We chatted a bit and I got her #. A few weeks went by because we were mutually busy and then I get a text out of the blue saying we can meet up this weekend.

Phone:
I'm getting very efficient with these, and I feel that I've finally got it down. Lots of smileys and every sign of a yes girl, this is looking good. We agree to meet at the corner by my neighborhood and take it from there.

Date:
I go see here and within a minute can tell that she's more on the inexperienced/shy side, so I tailor my interaction to get her engaged because I can tell that she's a bit nervous. We go to a convenience store and pick up some wine/chocolate, cross the street for some peaches, and head back to my place a block away. We get our glasses and head up to the sunroof, which was unexpectedly closed so I take her down to the pool.

I get her opening up, standard date really, only things of note were that as she wasn't as worldly as many of the girls I've been used to she talks a lot about her friends/acquantainces as a way to relate her views on the world. We don't have too much in common but we make a good connection anyhow and after we finish our drinks I take her back upstairs to finish the bottle and teach her some tango.

The tango is the best way to break the touch-barrier, every girl I've had on a date loves it. It gets her used to my touch and physically excited. I dance her towards my bed and after hitting it she immediately bounces out. I can tell that either she's nervous or otherwise something is amiss, so I dial it down a bit, we study the city map, relate a good bit, and decide to leave and grab a coffee. I realize it's against my agenda but I was down for a walk and I felt that it'd be a good thing.

We walk over to the Starbucks and have a swell time, there's no bad tension in the air and it feels that we've been together forever. After the snack we head back. She proposes to walk further but I tell her it's going to rain soon so we go inside instead. We look over the balcony and though I feel its a moment to kiss her, I let it go to come back in and sketch each other to let it simmer some more. We're just having a good time. This may be where I dropped the ball, though I feel I may have never had it in the first place.

When I feel that she's ready to move on, I take her to the bed to start some massages. She doesn't play ball, so I tell her to sit down for a minute. She refuses again, and says she has to go even though it's pouring out. She did tell me earlier she had to be somewhere and it does match up well. I realize I don't have a play so I act the gentleman and help her out as we make tentative plans to cook a dinner later in the week, but it doesn't feel too convincing.


Reflection:

I'm positive we both had a great time, but she left me scratching my head over her intentions. I get the feeling she doesn't know what she wants, as she knows I'm not going to be around for very long yet wasn't gung-ho on moving towards sex. I've learned that if you make an experienced girl want you, she will practically make the moves herself. But with girls I know are less experienced, I find it hard to get them in a position to lead towards intimacy. I feel that if I got her in a position where I could kiss her, I'd have a chance to escalate well. But she didn't play ball, and nothing happened. I complimented her enough that she should know I like her, but she was really shy in reciprocating anything.

Looking Forward:

Is this a textbook case of a girl who's not interested? She's a very submissive lady and makes me feel that I can be comfortable knowing deep down that things are well on track, but in terms of results she's not complying when it matters. She looks down when responding to me, and it really turns me on, but I can't capitalize on it. I actually believe she's a virgin, as instead of talking about her own past dating/romance experiences she constantly refers to those of her best friends when she has to make some input.

Does that sound like a more likely situation? I feel that it is, and a girl like that is convinced that she needs a boyfriend and knows she can't get that with me, whereas a more experienced girl would accept it for how it is and jump in without looking back. Casual sex is not in her vocabulary.

I enjoyed spending time with her regardless, and it's refreshing to have experiences with women who aren't dead set on jumping your bones. I find it very feminine and endearing, yet frustrating at the same time ;(

Any kind of opinions or insights would be awesome
Thanks for reading,
- TR
 
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ray_zorse

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I think the problem might be that she associates bed = sex, so it would be smoother to begin your escalation elsewhere such as the balcony as you suggested.

I had this issue w a cute Taiwan chick, my first post GC pull to home... makeout proceeded fine on floor in front of couch, yet when I tried to move it to the bed she refused, said she could not offer me sex, I like you was too much of a gentleman (inexperienced w LMR) and resistance solidified from there. As I dropped her off at her hostel she actually said we should meet up next week to finish what we started... but then flaked. They hate you if you don't escalate past their bullshit resistance.

Take homes:
Smooth escalation always... no abrupt transitions
Silly and cute... ignore any resistance, if you acknowledge it it makes it a thing
Don't reward resistance... she knew she came home with you for sex (the innocent virgin thing is an act... even if she really is a virgin she ain't innocent if she has ever like watched a film or lived in our culture)... so if she won't put out, tell her there's the door, she can let herself out. Or try the "if you say stop... I really will stop... completely and for good" approach.

cheers, Ray
 

Tkr

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Smooth escalation always... no abrupt transitions
Yeah, for some reason I think I can get away with whatever. I've had girls literally tell me my escalation wasn't smooth yet they all sleep with me anyway. I've also realized that not having a couch can make things more awkward than they have to be. The balcony is a great spot indeed, though in the near future I will have a couch and I'm really missing that right now.

Silly and cute... ignore any resistance
How hard would you persist? Ignoring bullshit is my default mode and I'll persist once on instinct but after a certain point (2 tries max, usually) I quickly realize that I don't have a play so I feel it's better to save face while I still have a chance to make it seem like it was my plan and not that I got rejected hard.

Don't reward resistance... she knew she came home with you for sex (the innocent virgin thing is an act.
I try and assume that with every girl, but the last virgin (confirmed) I had over acted like she wasn't one and verbally provoked me to escalate, and then cried about it later to a mutual nice-guy friend when she wouldn't put out. I don't think this particular girl was acting though, she was legitimately scared of intimacy and wouldn't even give me a chance to kiss her, which is really weird and disconcerting.

So far I've learned that I really have to be much smoother on my escalations. What's smooth for me isn't always smooth for her, and that's what matters. I still think that experienced girls give me much more leeway (because they're interested and are also more open/aggressive about it) but it's still a chance situation to get the less experienced girls on board with me. Seems to depend more on her personality, and the Soft/Inexperienced types seem damn near impossible to get on a first date, whereas the Strong/Inexperienced girls will at least give me a shot because they're so curious.

I hope I get another chance to have dinner with this girl, I really did like her, but you never know.

PS: Ray,
"if you say stop... I really will stop... completely and for good"
On a separate case this totally worked for me today. I met up with an ex I broke up with a while ago and while she was very hesitant to put out as she had many other issues to deal with and didn't want to get addicted again, she actually verbalized that she wasn't sure she was down. This kind of assurance I gave her actually made her take charge and get us both laid and have a great time. Good stuff.
 
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