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Edit: Due to this account being new and having lost access to my previous account years ago, I noticed that I cannot publish posts this thread in the advanced section where it should most likely belong, due to the type of this content. If some administrator of this platform could move it to that section after reading this thread and understanding what this is about, I would truly appreciate it. I'm sure you will understand why it belongs to that section after reading it fully. I am indeed talking about an interested phenomenon that I have uncovered and that I have noticed was the case for all of my girls. The data is truly an interesting finding and I am sure you will confirm it on your end as well
Hello everyone,
I am posting my first in depth post from this account. I had another account on this forum years ago but lost access to the email linked to it now. The last time I posted here was 4-5 years ago when I was 18-19. Back in the days I used to get all the girls in my college, there was just such a surplus of girls I was exposed to at the time. Then, life got in the way, and in fact life got extremely hard about a year or 2 later.
First covid hit, I went back to my country (parent's country more to be fair), then back here, started doing business in order to get myself and my family out of poverty, my business was rather profitable but I had a lot of shady people as my customers and needing my services for illegal activity. Then I was investigated, detained, released. I had to partially shut down this business of mine. Well, for about 4-5 years I had such a complicated life. But at least I managed to reach my goals, I made money, which allowed me to create a long term foundation for myself. All in all I reached the foundation I wanted at about 60-65% (where I planned on getting).
Unfortunately, during this time period, I was exposed to much less women as my business required being exposed to men instead and I also did not have so much time to dedicate to meeting women as I had to basically survive, and get myself out of absolute shit. I did manage to find myself a few girlfriends as I would never allow myself to not have contact with females who appreciated me very much but it was very reduced, and it was whatever I could allow myself to have in very hard and limited circumstances or whatever "god has put in my hands", so to speak, because it was literally put in my hands. Nothing that I "hunted" or went out to find myself. I just spoke to girls who were easy targets and coming my way, facing me already (if outside) and it was nothing advanced.
So now that I managed to survive somewhat and get myself out of the “survival" stage of my life, I decided to "get back into the game" so to speak… and reach the same level of plenty which I once had back in the days…
However, I had to continue this journey in a slightly less favorable position, as I now have to get most of my women from cold approach outside, on the streets, without any sort of "pre-selected, favorable" exposure to girls like I used to back in the days in college, where I could simply go to classes that I had where many girls were and just sit right next to the one of my choice in the amphiteater. And voila, the trick was played… or I could always find a reasonable reason/pretext to cold approach a girl in the many locations around the campuses' historic buildings.
So I started doing this in the hardest way, that which many people have not done in practice, which is by approaching tens and hundreds of girls on the streets. The hardest way, and quite frankly, the only real way of doing it considering that dating apps are only a modern invention. Having done this in such an in depth manner, I have obtained valuable practical data that can be analyzed and compared with your experiences which will allow us to reach new conclusions about the feminine.
So, with this introduction being out of the way, let me get to the valuable data which I wanted to discuss;
I approached a total of 30-40 girls on the street during the past month or so. I probably approached more than 40 but I lost count of those so the data I can share only regards 31 girls that I actually counted. Also note that these approaches were made in France, around Paris and Ile de France region where I was living for some time.
In this specific post, I wanted to focus NOT on the aspect of getting the girl's number during the approach, but on the process that follows right after obtaining her number, which determines whether or not you'll hear back from the girl or not.
So let's now look at the actual data I gathered with my own hands; I number closed about 7 girls in total and many of them were quite interested in me at the moment of the approach however I almost messed up almost all 7 of those girls. The way in which I messed up was particularly interesting also.
So I will break it down for 6 of these girls, what happened and what the situation is now.
There was a 7th one but I then saw on her instagram that she was either a satanist and was fucked up in the head or was not even a satanist but was definintely fucked up in the head very hard, I got disgusted a bit tbh so I'd rather not include her in this statistic (you couldn't tell it from approaching her though I had a bad feeling but then again I was also hungry and went for her nonetheless. Long story short, I texted her foreign phone number in the evening of the day I met her on and she likely did not receive the message as she did not respond and when I messaged her instagram the next day in the evening just outright blocked me. But I really don't even to even think about the motives behind her actions as her instagram posts just screamed deep mental illness there may be other reasons behind her actions.
Please pay attention to a very interesting detail (or metric if we can call it such), in this case, it is the time it took me to text the girl from the moment she gave me her number. So, for instance, let's say she gave me her number at time X and I texted her a few hours or days later at time Y.
I will refer to each girl by the first letter of her name and in the unlikely event that they end up recognizing themselves here on this forum, well so be it, they'll see the world from my perspective a bit more.
First girl, let's name her G, so for G, I don't want to go into details because it would otherwise be too long. There was a full blown 3 day relationship with her which ended up in me being blocked and not getting any response as I tried messaging her on whatsapp,telegram, with a second whatsapp number, to be able to say my last word... well you probably know what I'm talking about.
For the sake of the statistic we are analyzing here, all we need to remember is that I texted her about an hour or hour and half after she added me saying it was nice to meet her. Wished her good night,... and we continued the conversation the next day.
Second girl, let's name her L, I was sitting on a bench at place de la republique when she passed me by, she did not really notice me and passed me by not even looking in my direction. after she advanced about 20 meters further, I stood up and started walking after her. I caught up with her in the next street. That day was the day of the national strike of public transportation in Paris so as I was about to outstrip her, I turned my head towards her and told her (in french): "Excuse me, do you know why all the metro stations are closed at this time, I see all of them are closed and it's only 7 oclock, what the hell is going on in this city ?".
L responded to me, explaining it was national strike day, she kinda stopped her walk to speak with me, so I told her we can continue moving wherever she is going and so we continued walking in the same direction. She told me the name of the website where I can find the schedule of the public transportation in real time despite the strike and I responded that "I will look into it in a few moments". (I don't remember if I said anyting after that but if I did, it was definitely minor). I then steered the conversation in some direction in order to keep it going all in a somewhat french manner. I asked her if it is often the case that such strikes take place, I asked where she was from. We spoke some more as we were advancing in the direction she was walking in. She told me she was from the 91st department originally though she was living in the 11th neighborhood of Paris (to the extent that I still remember) and that she also had to walk a long way today because of the strike. I told her that although I was rather athletic and had to walk 14 kms at a specific time of my life, that it would be rather difficult for me to walk back home as I lived in the next door departement which was located about 12 kms from there and I did not want to do the same navy seal experiment on that evening (purely due to time constraints).
I then noticed that the way in which she was responding in was a bit funny, I told her that she had a semi-french canadian (quebec) accent, she looked back at me almost baffled yet very smiling saying "it's almost mean to say that". So I asked her to repeat a specific sentence after me to check for her accent, after she did, I noticed she indeed got some quebec accent in there but I told her not to worry about it as it was slight and there was no phobia towards quebec people in France. After we arrived to a metro station, she stopped all of a sudden and I understood that she must have arrived at her destination. I asked her if this was it and she told me that she was about to meet her friends (girls) down the street for an event.
I told her honestly that I liked her. I said I just had a good feeling about her and that she was my type of girl. I actually said that a few moments before her stopping at the metro station and after she stopped, I just asked her if she had a boyfriend and she told me that she didn't but that she just got out of a complicated relationship which lasted a long time and that she was not ready yet. I persisted saying that she isn't obliged to anything and can always refuse later but that I do really want to have her contact information because she does not know how things will go in life and that it is better for us both to avoid the situation where we would want to have something together yet we did not exchange contact information. So she follows herself using my phone. I wish her all the best and head back to place de la republique.
I did not message L on the day I got her instagram mainly because I met another girl on that day (more on that in a few lines) and I texted/ called her first and then fell asleep. The next day, I noticed on L's instagram page that she had photos with some guy, I suppose her boyfriend and naturally though maybe irrationally I was a bit disgusted so it took me another 2 days to decide and then finally write to her. I wrote to her from my main instagram page but was not aware that the first ever message was all you could send until they accept the invitation. So I wrote her the rest of the content of my message from my instagram business account explaining that Fucking instagram blocked me like an idiot at "hello". I did not get any response from her even a Week later so after about a Week I started sending her those stupid ai videos which I can still share to her despite my invitation not being accepted. Some of those ai videos were absurd or disgusting but something appropriate to send to a girl with whom you plan on having intercourse with (my approach and opinion at least). I also commented on some of her stories. Last story she posted was from her friend (girl) who is a rather famous painter who paints semi naked women. I said that I would like to paint her in that way especially like the second photo where the lady had her breast out and that it was a pitty I could not paint.
I still did not get any response and she has not accepted my invitation yet. It's been almost a month now. That being said, she did say she was not for anything but then again, a girl is a girl and my goal is to privatize her as soon as possible.
Third girl, let's name her R, I met her in the exact same way at place de la republique sitting at the exact same bench as L but about 1-2 hours later. In those 1-2 hours only older, elderly ladies passed by, as well as girls that did not interest me or fit my standards. There was only one that I like which I did approach in this time but she told me she was not interested and that she just turned 18 and was still used to being minor and saw herself as such.
So back to this girl, R, she passed me by as I was sitting on the exact same bench and then later turned into the same exact street as L did a few hours earlier. I approached her in the exact same way as I did with L in the exact same street. She told me that the same thing, that it was strike day, … But right away I could notice that she was rather sad, as she told me she did not know where she was going and as we crossed the first road, she did not spot on time and almost got ran over by bicicles, so I had to semi-hug/ hold her a bit to stop her from being run over. She then told me it did not matter if she got ran over. I had to calm her down a bit and reassure that she was indeed a valuable person… before her noticing that she did not know where she was going.
I took advantage of this Opportunity to stop her because we were going right towards the metro station where I left L and I definitely did not want to stumble upon her a few hours later with another girl.
I took advantage of this opportunity to move R into the "next door Boulevard" telling that it was the way, all to avoid stumbling upon L.
She followed me there, she asked me why I was living in Paris, I explained I encountered issues in my own country (relatively close to France) and had problems that sorted themselves out yet I got a friend in that city whom offered me better housing for the time being, … long story short, I did everything well, just being myself and being a quality man. There was no secret, as you like to say in almost scientific terms on this website "deonstrating high value, deep diving,..."
We arrived at a metro station which led directly to her neighborhood and I asked for her number which she gave but said not to expect anything with her as she was older than me. (she's 4 years older).
In fact, she told me even that earlier, as we were waiting for the bus together asking me if I was semi-blind approaching a girl older than me.
I honestly did not see that she was older approaching in the dark night and also she looked like the exact copy of a girlfriend I had at 17-18, same nationality and everything same, almost exact copy, except this one was older. Well I have good intuition indeed and as I saw her from afar from that bench she reminded me of my girl of years ago.
I texted R later that night to confirm that she was fine (which she was) and that's how the communication started.
I did not further follow up with R as she is indeed older than me and I went on to seek younger girls instead, she was right after all but I have saved her contact and know that I can have her, it is just not the point for me to take the first girl that crosses my path...
4th girl, let's call her N, I approached her on another day, near Pantheon and Palace of Luxembourg, in the same way as the 2 previous girls, except she was more static and was turning around so I took it as the perfect moment. So I just looked over my shoulder, asked her if she was from here and if she knew where the place I was looking for was located. She opened her phone and started looking, I asked her that my friend lives there. As she took some time explaining to me how I could get there, I patiently waited, looked her in the eyes as she was explaining and thanked her for being a good person. Then I told her that although I was really looking for a way to get to that station, i approached her specifically among the numerous people on that square only because of liking her.
I said I really liked her (gave a description), I said I usually have good taste and don't make wrong decisions so I was probably right this time also. She smiled and said, "I could clearly tell it from the beginning, you are not the first one approaching me with this goal". She said she "even say me Walking behind her", Something which I refuted and said I only got attracted to her as she turned around, not before. She then started asking me if I like movies and if I like to play chess. I refuted saying "I prefer boxing and wrestling, though those are also strategy games which I am quite good at, especially for the latter". She replied saying "I can tell it just frm looking at you that those would be the areas of your interest"
It turns out that she lived in the area, and that she was about to head home. She let me accompany her to her place and as we walked in that direction, I learned a few more things about her, that she was a university student, her origins, goals, …
As we arrived to the approximate location where she lived (or claimed she lived, she said she lives in the neighboring street), I asked for her instagram which she gave me and sent a follow request to herself from my phone.
Later that evening, I noticed that she rejected my follow request (despite having more than 700 followers) and being subscribed to 800 people. I followed her again and did so with my other account and still Nothing. So I decided to persist, the next day I sent her a message request explaining my preferences for her. She responded saying she had many things in her life at the moment and she was affraid it wouldn't be possible for her to have a relationship with me, she also said that she could not simply remain friends as she could imagine that practically and politely politely apologized. I responded asking if she just was refusing outright or just was unable to do this at this time, in which case I said I would like to save her contact information and get back to her in a few months, because she looked to me like a girl of value, quality… and that I wanted to privatize her. This girl is of muslim background and I doubt she would be a good fit for a casual escapade (though trying is the only way to know this for sure…) but it seemed to me that she really had certain qualities that made her a valueable, above average girl.
(edit: if you do not want to waste time reading love stories, just pass to girl 5, she is a complicated one, long story short, she responded and communication started from there but oh boy was the communication complicated…)
She responded with a short message which looked rather aggressive (and may have been a shit test, a way of testing me) in which she said that "A room could be privatized but a girl could not and that alone would make her say no". I am usually a rough edged guy and always come off very strong so I decided to respond mildly saying that privatizing may not be the best word but that she understood the meaning of it. Privatization of a girl if she prefers. But I said that I definitely did not want to "hurt her" and that my goal is to "not let anyone insult her, and definitely not insult or bring her down myself", and Added that "if she could comprehend how much I appreciate her, she would not have doubt and think I am trying to insult her". Given the cultural difference, I decided to play an approach that would be more appropriate in a muslim country if you were to try to get a girl (I have been exposed to and have met girls from various cultures, many more conservative than the west, I know what I'm talking about). She responded saying "she still feels offended" and said I was crazy saying this after only having spoken with her 15 mins. She then blocked me after that.
I then wrote to her from my other instagram account asking her to stop playing stupid games and that being arab she should be much more used to girls being privatized, and that I was just pursuing her as I have good intuition and that there was a reason for that, not to belittle my interest, I also add that being a man's property is good for a woman as long as the man is of quality, much better than be no man's property yet get ran through by everyone. She decides to manoeuver in the other direction and take a step back from her previous aggressive stance, she says she is not against me but rather does not want any relaion with any man, she asks me to not worry as if she will not go with someone else instead of me but she wishes to remain alone, then she claims to have misunderstood my words and says I am wishing that she be ran through and be public property. Now I don't know if this is clever feminine manipulation to improve her position and come out as the victim rather the the provocator or she really misunderstood my words to such an extent but that was her response, to try to end up being the victim. I guess we'll never know for sure, but she is a smart girl, definitely. I doubled down "my chessgame" and tried forcing through this victim pretending bullshit, so I explain myself a bit and call her out saying she should stop playing games, and that there is no such a level of misunderstanding posible. After that she ontinues playing victim and stats nagging me for "thinking bad about women" and saying "I am a crazy guy who is trying to force her whereas she is a calculated girl who is trying to not be with any man…", I respond again asking her to stop playing games as I have business to run regardless of how wonderful she may be. She then starts raging and says to stop messaging her or I will get blocked because I am pissing her off. I do ignore that message because I know she is an idiot and will block me and I don't want her to get to my last account messaging her. Ironically she does not block me as I stop right there.
I think I have a chance of getting her but frankly speaking there are other girls with similar qualities to hers around and she is not really what I am looking for right now so I just left it at that. The main thing is that willingly or unwillingly she left that message window open so I can always message N if things change and I decide that I need to in the future.
5th girl, let's name her P, I saw her from the back as I was walking up the street and caught up with her. As she tilted her face from afar, I could see she was a girl I would like. As I caught up with her and turned my head over my shoulder I saw that I was definitely not mistaken. As I asked her for the directions to metro line 2, I noticed that she couldn't speak french well and had a latin american accent. I quickly switched to spanish and asked her for the same directions in spanish. The real challenge began after she gave me directions in spanish as I realized that I now needed to explain that I like her but do so in a foreign language, so struggling, pausing a bit and looking into her beautiful eyes, I went "espera un momento, estoy realmente buscando el metro pero yo conzc este barrio y podre trovar si buscare un poco, te estoy preguntando por un otra razon", she responds "porque", I respond "porque eres una chica muy interesante y me gustas mucho". She laughs a bit then we continue Walking in the direction she was Walking in as she was in a rush (I proposed to walk in her direction for us to speak some more). During the conversation, I learned that she was from Peru, was studying in Paris and also worked there as a chef. We spoke half french half speanish as she wanted to practice french also. At some point as we continue walking up the street, she tells me that she has to turn left to do some groceries, she hands me over her instagram herself, tells me that "we will text later". About an hour and half later, I text her in spanish saying "She is quite a lovely girl and that it was a pleasure meeting her". She accepts my "request to communicate" as it is called on insta and texts me back in the evening at about 11PM saying "Hello, how are you". I see the message but do not open it as I Simply was too tired and fell asleep on the couch. I decided that descipline goes before girls.
The next morning I answer her saying "hello I was asleep whatever, then specify that I like her and explain what caught my attention in her and say that I would like to see her beautiful eyes again". She does not respond at all that day. The next day I decide to spam call her thinking she may answer, she does not, I spam about 4-5 times in total. Surprisingly, she responds a minute later via insta message asks me if everything is alright, I respond saying that "it is but it isn't because I want to see her again and would like to know when that would be possible". She responds saying "ah ok, I understand". She responds 15 minutes later. However I go on call with my grandmother right after messaging her to discuss life and matters of relatives, I hang up about an hour later. So once that is done, I answer her again telling her to let me know when she would be available and that "we would figure something out". She does not respond at all. Later at night, I tell her to text me whenever she has time and let me know about that, I specify that the coming weekend would be good for me. I do not follow up the next day as I have things to do and only follow up 2-3 days later at the end of the Week on Friday when I call spam call her in the exact same way as I did the previous time that she responded. As she ignores me, I write her a funny message saying "quiero hablar con un representante en espanol" as though she was customer support. She does not respond. On Saturday I sleep the entire day and then go look for other girls. She still has not responded anything by then. The next few days I have to go to another city for certain matters. I do not text her at all since that funny text on friday and for the whole upcoming week. I already forget about her but still no follow up from her. I follow up the week after that upon coming back asking her if she's ok and telling her to not hesitate to ask me for help if she needs any. I was seriously concerned if she was well. She still does not respond and a few days later she posts stories of her domestic animals but still no response. Another Week, 11 days have passed and I decided that I had seen enough of this bullshit and told her that I would stop writing as she already posted stories and is clearly ok yet does not answer me and told her to message me if she wants to continue the conversation, I said I did enough running after her now this is starting to become bullshit. That was 2 days ago. After seeing a bit more or her instagram stories and the content she likes, I noticed that she was a rather girly girl and very feminine, so I do not think that having such a rough approach would be fruitful in any way but I also needed some closure and to stop considering her as one of my main options.
From the interaction on the street, I would say that this girl was rather interested and definitely liked the compliments. I don't brag when writing on this forum as my goal is to obtain valuable data and experience, if I fuck up I definitely own it but here everything was just given in my hands like a gift of god until I messed up responding very late. I am certain that auto-rejection is the cause for why problems happened here with P.
Many people somehow wrongly think that being cold or distant is what attracts girls to men and is what will yield the best results but I can tell, from personal experience especially that it could not be further from the truth. Women are attracted to strength and masculine qualities just as we are attracted to feminine qualities and feminine women. Yet at the same time, women, being weaker definitely require attention and warmth. Coldness will not bring about anything positive as the girl will simply not feel secure, she will wonder why you are not giving her attention, why you are not giving her warmth. Just as a girl may worry if you are not with another girl, she will definitely worry about why you are not giving her warmth and attention. Women require a lot of attention and warmth, and giving it away is a pre-requisite, not a sign of weakness, and not giving enough of it, even if due to objective reasons or family members requiring the attention she so craves…
Having had a rather hard life and being rather cold by nature, I have always struggled with auto-rejection from women and it looks like I lost half of my girls here in this manner however, I mention a 6th girl so let me describe the issue with her:
6th girl, let's name her C, I met her at a place that could be qualified as a bar or nightclub, I guess it was just a bar with an underground arranged for dancing among other things (to ilustrate the type). I don't usually go out and prefer day game, I also do not drink alcohol, not even in night clubs. That being said, in this case a friend wanted me to go out and find girls with him at that place where he knew people. Despite not being used to night game so much myself, I did go and spent a good part of the night there. So fast forward to how I met C; She I entered the crowded area where people go to smoke. I see some space to stand in the area right next to her so I walk there a bit and as she stands right in front of me, I saw "hi, of all people here I have not yet spoken to you somehow..." so this is how I opened the conversation.
I must have opened the conversation very well in this manner because at this point I do not even remember what I said afterwards. The conversation went rather naturally. I think I followed later with my typical "are you from here ?" right after because we started speaking about place of origin. She said she was from the south of France and asked me where I was from. I said the city. She said she went there last year and she said the place was kind of shit with a lot of crime also. She asked me why I moved places and was staying in Paris and I calmly replied saying "legal problems", she got somewhat excited and started smiling, saying I knew it. Then I told her a bit about the kind of business I was doing and how many of my customers were linked to illegal activities and tried to purchase from me. Ths got her even more intruiged and almost excited somewhat.
Then, people whom she obviously knew started approaching. First, there was this girl who was her friend who came by. She was pissed drunk and was accompanied by some guy. At that moment I said that there are a bit too many people and said that I should probably stop describing such private details in front of them. She looked at me, noded and said "Indeed I shouldn't, I wouldn't want you to be exposed", you could sense a degree of compassion for me, like how she would want to "cover me up". Then came a third person, a guy who went directly to C and started talking to her. let's call him guy A, I do not know his real name.
I would describe him in the Following way: not too masculine but not necessarily emasculate, a somewhat neutral man, no advanced guy I guess. As soo as he arrived, he tried pulling her whole attention towards him. He addressed her by her name as a friend would and started asking her questions: "if she was ok",... those sort of questions, to try to "pull her towards" him but through a forced conversation rather than physically.
I did not try to prevent him from talking to C but clearly C was standing in front of me and we were having a conversation so I kind of continued the conversation we were having but with some pauses in order to not be an asshole and somewhat acknowledge the newly arrived people. At some point in his failed attempt to isolate C, guy A addresses me directly: "I understand that C is a beautiful woman but for tonight she is with us so if you could just leave her alone, it would be nice…" . I ignore him at first, then he adds another comment: "she is my girlfriend actually". I ignore him at first then ask her directly: "is this dude really your boyfriend ?" and she tells me that "She definitely is not". C also asks guy A why he is trying to hold her hand and asks him to leave her hand alone, and physically takes her hand back from him. She then changes her position from being closer to me, almost in my arms (between me and the bar table) to another positions between me and guy A leaving me on the side of the bar table and guy A in the alley in the center of the room. Not sure if she wanted to defuse tension in this way, in any case this dude wouldn't have been able to get away with any bullshit. I then momentarilly switch to speaking to my friend who brought me to that bar in the first place and then look back at C and ask her Something. The position in which C was standing was such that she was facing guy A with her face yet her head and ear was closer to me, so I was rather close to her head and in her personal space. In that position, I only got to address C's friend (girl) and that was about it.
Understanding that her "friends" or acquaintances have arrived,who were rather "proprietary" or outright jealous (guy A), I decided to play strategically, defuse tension and leave rather than risk losing C by getting in some form of confrontation with guy A whose fate would have probably been bad had he tried anything stupid. So I told C that "I understand that your friends came and some friend of hers is rather jealous and that I would like to get her instagram rather than end up in a situation where I would have to calm him down…" I whispered this in her hear and she agreed and started spelling me her IG. As she told me the first part of her IG and spelled the first 4 letters, guy A understood what was going on and went "See, C (her name), there is Something I really Don't like about you…" obviously refering to the fact that she was giving her IG to guys right in front of him. But he did not get to finish his phrase as she obviously did not care and wanted to make sure I got her whole IG pseudonym correctly.
As she was spelling the last letters of her IG I even had to clarify if she said the letter D or B so I put my head in her hair, next to her ear and asked "B from bridgitte or D from Danemark", to my surprise it was D from Danemark. After memorising her IG and writing it down on my phone, I left the room she was in, winked at her and wished her a good night. She smiled back. Later that night (about half an hour later), my friend upset some rather antisocial french girls and their gay friend as he was hitting on them for the 3rd time in a row(idk if he was really gay, mayble just very emasculate but he behaved gay so that is my point). In any case, that gay guy complained to security about him and as I was with them, we both got escorted out of that venue.
The important detail for this story is probably that I did not add C on IG until he Morning. She gave me her IG at about 2 am Something, we got kicked out at around 3 am and then went around the streets to look for girls on the street. We even ended up hitting on a group of Irish girls who were way to drunk (or even on drugs) to be able to understand what they were doing. One was almost falling on the floor at times and I had to catch her in my arms. We could have gone for the pull with these Irish girls which is something my friend wanted to do but they were accompanied by a boy who looked 17 and they were 200 meters away from their home (where they lived with other people) so we just spoke to them instead and got their IGs. I also did not want to try anything too Advanced with them as they clearly were not totally conscious of what was going on. Well if you want to share your opinion of you would have done if you were in position, feel free to do so, I will definitely take it into account. That being said, those Irish girls are besides the point as they were below my standards and not the type of girls I was usually seeking.
I ended up sending an instagram follow request to C as well as a message the next morning at 9:42 am as we reached home. She gave me her IG at around 2:30 am and we got kicked out at about 3 am. Unfortunately I was too tired when writing to her so in the invitation message I spelled her name wrong (bth names started with C but I or the spell check corrected wrote the wrong one, so say Carema instead of Caramellia… stupid examples I know but they were both close). In the evening of that day, after having slept well and everything, I wrote her another message from my business IG account saying that I felt bad for the name confusion and that it was my spellchecker who did it, as I do remember what matters in life and definitely remembered her and her name well))
She has not responded a few days later so I sent her a funny instagram post which said "what happens with me when I see you" and showed a tree which looked like an erection in the video. She has not responded to that request until now. Today I sent her another video saying "everyone speaking about the treasure of the louvre being stolen but they Don't realize that the most valuable treasure is you". And yes, you can share instagram posts and videos with girls that have not yet accepted your invitation...unless they have actually blocked you.
Having struggled with auto-rejection so many times, I am tempted to think that waiting until the morning to text her was the Reason for the lack of responses to my invitation though for C there may be other reasons involved. Guy A may have been her actual boyfriend and as she sobbered up, she decided not to upset him or the fact that I got her name wrong may have actually pissed her off… we will never know I guess.
There is, however, a law which I have uncovered in these years of getting girls, and this law has been demonstrated with the girls we met here. It would state it as follows:
Over the years I have noticed a very interesting trend which is almost mathematical: All the girls I have had any success getting, I have texted them within the first 2 hours of meeting them. I have also, not been able to get any of the girls whom I texted 10-12 hours later. Simply none, I have not had any girl that I texted the next that I managed to get beyond just a basic response, and in most cases they never responded (just like the girls in this post). Strangely enough, a few girls did not even respond to the text I sent within these 2 hours and I had to call them the next day to double check that I got the right number and still managed to get back of them but the opposite was never true, it is just impossible, at least in my experience.
Discovering this law is just so ironic, interest somehow does really have an expiration date and if this is a brand new relationship, missing this time limit is just unrecoverable for you it seems.
The sad part in my case is that I am no weak man and in none of these cases have I purposely withheld warmth and attention from any of these chicks. I sinply had to live a life that was not so easy and in most cases legitimate reasons prevented me from texting them "in due time". Whilst these girls must have overcooked in that time period, panicked and mentally blocked me in some way.
The reason for which I am writing this post is not really to brag about myself or to get any compassion for failing so miserably with 3-4 of those 6 girls but is rather twofolds: First, to get advice on how I could save the situation and still manage to get girls L and C whom are personally my favorite (after having thought about it long and hard).
and second, to compare with your experiences as I am almost certain that the same law will apply to your girls. I'd be really surprised if any of you have texted girls 3 days later and still managed to get them in the end… That's the part I want to discuss so eagerly.
In another post that will be posted in the "field report" section, I will look into interesting observations and the key factors that will decide wether you get her number or not so stay tuned for that, or based on the date at which you are reading this, you may already consult that post as it will be the first post I will publish with this account in that specific section, as stated earlier, I used to be on this forum years ago, before all the Survival I was in but I don't have access to that other account anymore.
I would like everyone to share their experience in order to make this newly discovered rule even more advanced and refine it even more but as a disclaimer I do want to warn, please share only relevant data and statistics, do not invent anything. If you have not yet met enough and have yet spoken to enough women in your life, and all your knowledge comes from the this website, the internet or the stories of other people, either refrain from or at least think before writing. The goal here is for us all to find the truth, not to brag or pollute this interesting discovery with artificial stories that do not yield true data. It will only have the opposite effect. Please work on yourself, go out and speak to tens of girls first, then you will share your findings and experience here. Definitely do not invent anything. At best you will confuse everyone, at worst more experienced users will see through the bullshit (and make fools of yourselves). I think the data and experience of older users of this forum will be particularly valuable here as we would need some more data beyond my girls but I definitely welcome everyone to share their experience here, as long as it is real and legitimate.
Look forward to hearing your stories, regards
Hello everyone,
I am posting my first in depth post from this account. I had another account on this forum years ago but lost access to the email linked to it now. The last time I posted here was 4-5 years ago when I was 18-19. Back in the days I used to get all the girls in my college, there was just such a surplus of girls I was exposed to at the time. Then, life got in the way, and in fact life got extremely hard about a year or 2 later.
First covid hit, I went back to my country (parent's country more to be fair), then back here, started doing business in order to get myself and my family out of poverty, my business was rather profitable but I had a lot of shady people as my customers and needing my services for illegal activity. Then I was investigated, detained, released. I had to partially shut down this business of mine. Well, for about 4-5 years I had such a complicated life. But at least I managed to reach my goals, I made money, which allowed me to create a long term foundation for myself. All in all I reached the foundation I wanted at about 60-65% (where I planned on getting).
Unfortunately, during this time period, I was exposed to much less women as my business required being exposed to men instead and I also did not have so much time to dedicate to meeting women as I had to basically survive, and get myself out of absolute shit. I did manage to find myself a few girlfriends as I would never allow myself to not have contact with females who appreciated me very much but it was very reduced, and it was whatever I could allow myself to have in very hard and limited circumstances or whatever "god has put in my hands", so to speak, because it was literally put in my hands. Nothing that I "hunted" or went out to find myself. I just spoke to girls who were easy targets and coming my way, facing me already (if outside) and it was nothing advanced.
So now that I managed to survive somewhat and get myself out of the “survival" stage of my life, I decided to "get back into the game" so to speak… and reach the same level of plenty which I once had back in the days…
However, I had to continue this journey in a slightly less favorable position, as I now have to get most of my women from cold approach outside, on the streets, without any sort of "pre-selected, favorable" exposure to girls like I used to back in the days in college, where I could simply go to classes that I had where many girls were and just sit right next to the one of my choice in the amphiteater. And voila, the trick was played… or I could always find a reasonable reason/pretext to cold approach a girl in the many locations around the campuses' historic buildings.
So I started doing this in the hardest way, that which many people have not done in practice, which is by approaching tens and hundreds of girls on the streets. The hardest way, and quite frankly, the only real way of doing it considering that dating apps are only a modern invention. Having done this in such an in depth manner, I have obtained valuable practical data that can be analyzed and compared with your experiences which will allow us to reach new conclusions about the feminine.
So, with this introduction being out of the way, let me get to the valuable data which I wanted to discuss;
I approached a total of 30-40 girls on the street during the past month or so. I probably approached more than 40 but I lost count of those so the data I can share only regards 31 girls that I actually counted. Also note that these approaches were made in France, around Paris and Ile de France region where I was living for some time.
In this specific post, I wanted to focus NOT on the aspect of getting the girl's number during the approach, but on the process that follows right after obtaining her number, which determines whether or not you'll hear back from the girl or not.
So let's now look at the actual data I gathered with my own hands; I number closed about 7 girls in total and many of them were quite interested in me at the moment of the approach however I almost messed up almost all 7 of those girls. The way in which I messed up was particularly interesting also.
So I will break it down for 6 of these girls, what happened and what the situation is now.
There was a 7th one but I then saw on her instagram that she was either a satanist and was fucked up in the head or was not even a satanist but was definintely fucked up in the head very hard, I got disgusted a bit tbh so I'd rather not include her in this statistic (you couldn't tell it from approaching her though I had a bad feeling but then again I was also hungry and went for her nonetheless. Long story short, I texted her foreign phone number in the evening of the day I met her on and she likely did not receive the message as she did not respond and when I messaged her instagram the next day in the evening just outright blocked me. But I really don't even to even think about the motives behind her actions as her instagram posts just screamed deep mental illness there may be other reasons behind her actions.
Please pay attention to a very interesting detail (or metric if we can call it such), in this case, it is the time it took me to text the girl from the moment she gave me her number. So, for instance, let's say she gave me her number at time X and I texted her a few hours or days later at time Y.
I will refer to each girl by the first letter of her name and in the unlikely event that they end up recognizing themselves here on this forum, well so be it, they'll see the world from my perspective a bit more.
First girl, let's name her G, so for G, I don't want to go into details because it would otherwise be too long. There was a full blown 3 day relationship with her which ended up in me being blocked and not getting any response as I tried messaging her on whatsapp,telegram, with a second whatsapp number, to be able to say my last word... well you probably know what I'm talking about.
For the sake of the statistic we are analyzing here, all we need to remember is that I texted her about an hour or hour and half after she added me saying it was nice to meet her. Wished her good night,... and we continued the conversation the next day.
Second girl, let's name her L, I was sitting on a bench at place de la republique when she passed me by, she did not really notice me and passed me by not even looking in my direction. after she advanced about 20 meters further, I stood up and started walking after her. I caught up with her in the next street. That day was the day of the national strike of public transportation in Paris so as I was about to outstrip her, I turned my head towards her and told her (in french): "Excuse me, do you know why all the metro stations are closed at this time, I see all of them are closed and it's only 7 oclock, what the hell is going on in this city ?".
L responded to me, explaining it was national strike day, she kinda stopped her walk to speak with me, so I told her we can continue moving wherever she is going and so we continued walking in the same direction. She told me the name of the website where I can find the schedule of the public transportation in real time despite the strike and I responded that "I will look into it in a few moments". (I don't remember if I said anyting after that but if I did, it was definitely minor). I then steered the conversation in some direction in order to keep it going all in a somewhat french manner. I asked her if it is often the case that such strikes take place, I asked where she was from. We spoke some more as we were advancing in the direction she was walking in. She told me she was from the 91st department originally though she was living in the 11th neighborhood of Paris (to the extent that I still remember) and that she also had to walk a long way today because of the strike. I told her that although I was rather athletic and had to walk 14 kms at a specific time of my life, that it would be rather difficult for me to walk back home as I lived in the next door departement which was located about 12 kms from there and I did not want to do the same navy seal experiment on that evening (purely due to time constraints).
I then noticed that the way in which she was responding in was a bit funny, I told her that she had a semi-french canadian (quebec) accent, she looked back at me almost baffled yet very smiling saying "it's almost mean to say that". So I asked her to repeat a specific sentence after me to check for her accent, after she did, I noticed she indeed got some quebec accent in there but I told her not to worry about it as it was slight and there was no phobia towards quebec people in France. After we arrived to a metro station, she stopped all of a sudden and I understood that she must have arrived at her destination. I asked her if this was it and she told me that she was about to meet her friends (girls) down the street for an event.
I told her honestly that I liked her. I said I just had a good feeling about her and that she was my type of girl. I actually said that a few moments before her stopping at the metro station and after she stopped, I just asked her if she had a boyfriend and she told me that she didn't but that she just got out of a complicated relationship which lasted a long time and that she was not ready yet. I persisted saying that she isn't obliged to anything and can always refuse later but that I do really want to have her contact information because she does not know how things will go in life and that it is better for us both to avoid the situation where we would want to have something together yet we did not exchange contact information. So she follows herself using my phone. I wish her all the best and head back to place de la republique.
I did not message L on the day I got her instagram mainly because I met another girl on that day (more on that in a few lines) and I texted/ called her first and then fell asleep. The next day, I noticed on L's instagram page that she had photos with some guy, I suppose her boyfriend and naturally though maybe irrationally I was a bit disgusted so it took me another 2 days to decide and then finally write to her. I wrote to her from my main instagram page but was not aware that the first ever message was all you could send until they accept the invitation. So I wrote her the rest of the content of my message from my instagram business account explaining that Fucking instagram blocked me like an idiot at "hello". I did not get any response from her even a Week later so after about a Week I started sending her those stupid ai videos which I can still share to her despite my invitation not being accepted. Some of those ai videos were absurd or disgusting but something appropriate to send to a girl with whom you plan on having intercourse with (my approach and opinion at least). I also commented on some of her stories. Last story she posted was from her friend (girl) who is a rather famous painter who paints semi naked women. I said that I would like to paint her in that way especially like the second photo where the lady had her breast out and that it was a pitty I could not paint.
I still did not get any response and she has not accepted my invitation yet. It's been almost a month now. That being said, she did say she was not for anything but then again, a girl is a girl and my goal is to privatize her as soon as possible.
Third girl, let's name her R, I met her in the exact same way at place de la republique sitting at the exact same bench as L but about 1-2 hours later. In those 1-2 hours only older, elderly ladies passed by, as well as girls that did not interest me or fit my standards. There was only one that I like which I did approach in this time but she told me she was not interested and that she just turned 18 and was still used to being minor and saw herself as such.
So back to this girl, R, she passed me by as I was sitting on the exact same bench and then later turned into the same exact street as L did a few hours earlier. I approached her in the exact same way as I did with L in the exact same street. She told me that the same thing, that it was strike day, … But right away I could notice that she was rather sad, as she told me she did not know where she was going and as we crossed the first road, she did not spot on time and almost got ran over by bicicles, so I had to semi-hug/ hold her a bit to stop her from being run over. She then told me it did not matter if she got ran over. I had to calm her down a bit and reassure that she was indeed a valuable person… before her noticing that she did not know where she was going.
I took advantage of this Opportunity to stop her because we were going right towards the metro station where I left L and I definitely did not want to stumble upon her a few hours later with another girl.
I took advantage of this opportunity to move R into the "next door Boulevard" telling that it was the way, all to avoid stumbling upon L.
She followed me there, she asked me why I was living in Paris, I explained I encountered issues in my own country (relatively close to France) and had problems that sorted themselves out yet I got a friend in that city whom offered me better housing for the time being, … long story short, I did everything well, just being myself and being a quality man. There was no secret, as you like to say in almost scientific terms on this website "deonstrating high value, deep diving,..."
We arrived at a metro station which led directly to her neighborhood and I asked for her number which she gave but said not to expect anything with her as she was older than me. (she's 4 years older).
In fact, she told me even that earlier, as we were waiting for the bus together asking me if I was semi-blind approaching a girl older than me.
I honestly did not see that she was older approaching in the dark night and also she looked like the exact copy of a girlfriend I had at 17-18, same nationality and everything same, almost exact copy, except this one was older. Well I have good intuition indeed and as I saw her from afar from that bench she reminded me of my girl of years ago.
I texted R later that night to confirm that she was fine (which she was) and that's how the communication started.
I did not further follow up with R as she is indeed older than me and I went on to seek younger girls instead, she was right after all but I have saved her contact and know that I can have her, it is just not the point for me to take the first girl that crosses my path...
4th girl, let's call her N, I approached her on another day, near Pantheon and Palace of Luxembourg, in the same way as the 2 previous girls, except she was more static and was turning around so I took it as the perfect moment. So I just looked over my shoulder, asked her if she was from here and if she knew where the place I was looking for was located. She opened her phone and started looking, I asked her that my friend lives there. As she took some time explaining to me how I could get there, I patiently waited, looked her in the eyes as she was explaining and thanked her for being a good person. Then I told her that although I was really looking for a way to get to that station, i approached her specifically among the numerous people on that square only because of liking her.
I said I really liked her (gave a description), I said I usually have good taste and don't make wrong decisions so I was probably right this time also. She smiled and said, "I could clearly tell it from the beginning, you are not the first one approaching me with this goal". She said she "even say me Walking behind her", Something which I refuted and said I only got attracted to her as she turned around, not before. She then started asking me if I like movies and if I like to play chess. I refuted saying "I prefer boxing and wrestling, though those are also strategy games which I am quite good at, especially for the latter". She replied saying "I can tell it just frm looking at you that those would be the areas of your interest"
It turns out that she lived in the area, and that she was about to head home. She let me accompany her to her place and as we walked in that direction, I learned a few more things about her, that she was a university student, her origins, goals, …
As we arrived to the approximate location where she lived (or claimed she lived, she said she lives in the neighboring street), I asked for her instagram which she gave me and sent a follow request to herself from my phone.
Later that evening, I noticed that she rejected my follow request (despite having more than 700 followers) and being subscribed to 800 people. I followed her again and did so with my other account and still Nothing. So I decided to persist, the next day I sent her a message request explaining my preferences for her. She responded saying she had many things in her life at the moment and she was affraid it wouldn't be possible for her to have a relationship with me, she also said that she could not simply remain friends as she could imagine that practically and politely politely apologized. I responded asking if she just was refusing outright or just was unable to do this at this time, in which case I said I would like to save her contact information and get back to her in a few months, because she looked to me like a girl of value, quality… and that I wanted to privatize her. This girl is of muslim background and I doubt she would be a good fit for a casual escapade (though trying is the only way to know this for sure…) but it seemed to me that she really had certain qualities that made her a valueable, above average girl.
(edit: if you do not want to waste time reading love stories, just pass to girl 5, she is a complicated one, long story short, she responded and communication started from there but oh boy was the communication complicated…)
She responded with a short message which looked rather aggressive (and may have been a shit test, a way of testing me) in which she said that "A room could be privatized but a girl could not and that alone would make her say no". I am usually a rough edged guy and always come off very strong so I decided to respond mildly saying that privatizing may not be the best word but that she understood the meaning of it. Privatization of a girl if she prefers. But I said that I definitely did not want to "hurt her" and that my goal is to "not let anyone insult her, and definitely not insult or bring her down myself", and Added that "if she could comprehend how much I appreciate her, she would not have doubt and think I am trying to insult her". Given the cultural difference, I decided to play an approach that would be more appropriate in a muslim country if you were to try to get a girl (I have been exposed to and have met girls from various cultures, many more conservative than the west, I know what I'm talking about). She responded saying "she still feels offended" and said I was crazy saying this after only having spoken with her 15 mins. She then blocked me after that.
I then wrote to her from my other instagram account asking her to stop playing stupid games and that being arab she should be much more used to girls being privatized, and that I was just pursuing her as I have good intuition and that there was a reason for that, not to belittle my interest, I also add that being a man's property is good for a woman as long as the man is of quality, much better than be no man's property yet get ran through by everyone. She decides to manoeuver in the other direction and take a step back from her previous aggressive stance, she says she is not against me but rather does not want any relaion with any man, she asks me to not worry as if she will not go with someone else instead of me but she wishes to remain alone, then she claims to have misunderstood my words and says I am wishing that she be ran through and be public property. Now I don't know if this is clever feminine manipulation to improve her position and come out as the victim rather the the provocator or she really misunderstood my words to such an extent but that was her response, to try to end up being the victim. I guess we'll never know for sure, but she is a smart girl, definitely. I doubled down "my chessgame" and tried forcing through this victim pretending bullshit, so I explain myself a bit and call her out saying she should stop playing games, and that there is no such a level of misunderstanding posible. After that she ontinues playing victim and stats nagging me for "thinking bad about women" and saying "I am a crazy guy who is trying to force her whereas she is a calculated girl who is trying to not be with any man…", I respond again asking her to stop playing games as I have business to run regardless of how wonderful she may be. She then starts raging and says to stop messaging her or I will get blocked because I am pissing her off. I do ignore that message because I know she is an idiot and will block me and I don't want her to get to my last account messaging her. Ironically she does not block me as I stop right there.
I think I have a chance of getting her but frankly speaking there are other girls with similar qualities to hers around and she is not really what I am looking for right now so I just left it at that. The main thing is that willingly or unwillingly she left that message window open so I can always message N if things change and I decide that I need to in the future.
5th girl, let's name her P, I saw her from the back as I was walking up the street and caught up with her. As she tilted her face from afar, I could see she was a girl I would like. As I caught up with her and turned my head over my shoulder I saw that I was definitely not mistaken. As I asked her for the directions to metro line 2, I noticed that she couldn't speak french well and had a latin american accent. I quickly switched to spanish and asked her for the same directions in spanish. The real challenge began after she gave me directions in spanish as I realized that I now needed to explain that I like her but do so in a foreign language, so struggling, pausing a bit and looking into her beautiful eyes, I went "espera un momento, estoy realmente buscando el metro pero yo conzc este barrio y podre trovar si buscare un poco, te estoy preguntando por un otra razon", she responds "porque", I respond "porque eres una chica muy interesante y me gustas mucho". She laughs a bit then we continue Walking in the direction she was Walking in as she was in a rush (I proposed to walk in her direction for us to speak some more). During the conversation, I learned that she was from Peru, was studying in Paris and also worked there as a chef. We spoke half french half speanish as she wanted to practice french also. At some point as we continue walking up the street, she tells me that she has to turn left to do some groceries, she hands me over her instagram herself, tells me that "we will text later". About an hour and half later, I text her in spanish saying "She is quite a lovely girl and that it was a pleasure meeting her". She accepts my "request to communicate" as it is called on insta and texts me back in the evening at about 11PM saying "Hello, how are you". I see the message but do not open it as I Simply was too tired and fell asleep on the couch. I decided that descipline goes before girls.
The next morning I answer her saying "hello I was asleep whatever, then specify that I like her and explain what caught my attention in her and say that I would like to see her beautiful eyes again". She does not respond at all that day. The next day I decide to spam call her thinking she may answer, she does not, I spam about 4-5 times in total. Surprisingly, she responds a minute later via insta message asks me if everything is alright, I respond saying that "it is but it isn't because I want to see her again and would like to know when that would be possible". She responds saying "ah ok, I understand". She responds 15 minutes later. However I go on call with my grandmother right after messaging her to discuss life and matters of relatives, I hang up about an hour later. So once that is done, I answer her again telling her to let me know when she would be available and that "we would figure something out". She does not respond at all. Later at night, I tell her to text me whenever she has time and let me know about that, I specify that the coming weekend would be good for me. I do not follow up the next day as I have things to do and only follow up 2-3 days later at the end of the Week on Friday when I call spam call her in the exact same way as I did the previous time that she responded. As she ignores me, I write her a funny message saying "quiero hablar con un representante en espanol" as though she was customer support. She does not respond. On Saturday I sleep the entire day and then go look for other girls. She still has not responded anything by then. The next few days I have to go to another city for certain matters. I do not text her at all since that funny text on friday and for the whole upcoming week. I already forget about her but still no follow up from her. I follow up the week after that upon coming back asking her if she's ok and telling her to not hesitate to ask me for help if she needs any. I was seriously concerned if she was well. She still does not respond and a few days later she posts stories of her domestic animals but still no response. Another Week, 11 days have passed and I decided that I had seen enough of this bullshit and told her that I would stop writing as she already posted stories and is clearly ok yet does not answer me and told her to message me if she wants to continue the conversation, I said I did enough running after her now this is starting to become bullshit. That was 2 days ago. After seeing a bit more or her instagram stories and the content she likes, I noticed that she was a rather girly girl and very feminine, so I do not think that having such a rough approach would be fruitful in any way but I also needed some closure and to stop considering her as one of my main options.
From the interaction on the street, I would say that this girl was rather interested and definitely liked the compliments. I don't brag when writing on this forum as my goal is to obtain valuable data and experience, if I fuck up I definitely own it but here everything was just given in my hands like a gift of god until I messed up responding very late. I am certain that auto-rejection is the cause for why problems happened here with P.
Many people somehow wrongly think that being cold or distant is what attracts girls to men and is what will yield the best results but I can tell, from personal experience especially that it could not be further from the truth. Women are attracted to strength and masculine qualities just as we are attracted to feminine qualities and feminine women. Yet at the same time, women, being weaker definitely require attention and warmth. Coldness will not bring about anything positive as the girl will simply not feel secure, she will wonder why you are not giving her attention, why you are not giving her warmth. Just as a girl may worry if you are not with another girl, she will definitely worry about why you are not giving her warmth and attention. Women require a lot of attention and warmth, and giving it away is a pre-requisite, not a sign of weakness, and not giving enough of it, even if due to objective reasons or family members requiring the attention she so craves…
Having had a rather hard life and being rather cold by nature, I have always struggled with auto-rejection from women and it looks like I lost half of my girls here in this manner however, I mention a 6th girl so let me describe the issue with her:
6th girl, let's name her C, I met her at a place that could be qualified as a bar or nightclub, I guess it was just a bar with an underground arranged for dancing among other things (to ilustrate the type). I don't usually go out and prefer day game, I also do not drink alcohol, not even in night clubs. That being said, in this case a friend wanted me to go out and find girls with him at that place where he knew people. Despite not being used to night game so much myself, I did go and spent a good part of the night there. So fast forward to how I met C; She I entered the crowded area where people go to smoke. I see some space to stand in the area right next to her so I walk there a bit and as she stands right in front of me, I saw "hi, of all people here I have not yet spoken to you somehow..." so this is how I opened the conversation.
I must have opened the conversation very well in this manner because at this point I do not even remember what I said afterwards. The conversation went rather naturally. I think I followed later with my typical "are you from here ?" right after because we started speaking about place of origin. She said she was from the south of France and asked me where I was from. I said the city. She said she went there last year and she said the place was kind of shit with a lot of crime also. She asked me why I moved places and was staying in Paris and I calmly replied saying "legal problems", she got somewhat excited and started smiling, saying I knew it. Then I told her a bit about the kind of business I was doing and how many of my customers were linked to illegal activities and tried to purchase from me. Ths got her even more intruiged and almost excited somewhat.
Then, people whom she obviously knew started approaching. First, there was this girl who was her friend who came by. She was pissed drunk and was accompanied by some guy. At that moment I said that there are a bit too many people and said that I should probably stop describing such private details in front of them. She looked at me, noded and said "Indeed I shouldn't, I wouldn't want you to be exposed", you could sense a degree of compassion for me, like how she would want to "cover me up". Then came a third person, a guy who went directly to C and started talking to her. let's call him guy A, I do not know his real name.
I would describe him in the Following way: not too masculine but not necessarily emasculate, a somewhat neutral man, no advanced guy I guess. As soo as he arrived, he tried pulling her whole attention towards him. He addressed her by her name as a friend would and started asking her questions: "if she was ok",... those sort of questions, to try to "pull her towards" him but through a forced conversation rather than physically.
I did not try to prevent him from talking to C but clearly C was standing in front of me and we were having a conversation so I kind of continued the conversation we were having but with some pauses in order to not be an asshole and somewhat acknowledge the newly arrived people. At some point in his failed attempt to isolate C, guy A addresses me directly: "I understand that C is a beautiful woman but for tonight she is with us so if you could just leave her alone, it would be nice…" . I ignore him at first, then he adds another comment: "she is my girlfriend actually". I ignore him at first then ask her directly: "is this dude really your boyfriend ?" and she tells me that "She definitely is not". C also asks guy A why he is trying to hold her hand and asks him to leave her hand alone, and physically takes her hand back from him. She then changes her position from being closer to me, almost in my arms (between me and the bar table) to another positions between me and guy A leaving me on the side of the bar table and guy A in the alley in the center of the room. Not sure if she wanted to defuse tension in this way, in any case this dude wouldn't have been able to get away with any bullshit. I then momentarilly switch to speaking to my friend who brought me to that bar in the first place and then look back at C and ask her Something. The position in which C was standing was such that she was facing guy A with her face yet her head and ear was closer to me, so I was rather close to her head and in her personal space. In that position, I only got to address C's friend (girl) and that was about it.
Understanding that her "friends" or acquaintances have arrived,who were rather "proprietary" or outright jealous (guy A), I decided to play strategically, defuse tension and leave rather than risk losing C by getting in some form of confrontation with guy A whose fate would have probably been bad had he tried anything stupid. So I told C that "I understand that your friends came and some friend of hers is rather jealous and that I would like to get her instagram rather than end up in a situation where I would have to calm him down…" I whispered this in her hear and she agreed and started spelling me her IG. As she told me the first part of her IG and spelled the first 4 letters, guy A understood what was going on and went "See, C (her name), there is Something I really Don't like about you…" obviously refering to the fact that she was giving her IG to guys right in front of him. But he did not get to finish his phrase as she obviously did not care and wanted to make sure I got her whole IG pseudonym correctly.
As she was spelling the last letters of her IG I even had to clarify if she said the letter D or B so I put my head in her hair, next to her ear and asked "B from bridgitte or D from Danemark", to my surprise it was D from Danemark. After memorising her IG and writing it down on my phone, I left the room she was in, winked at her and wished her a good night. She smiled back. Later that night (about half an hour later), my friend upset some rather antisocial french girls and their gay friend as he was hitting on them for the 3rd time in a row(idk if he was really gay, mayble just very emasculate but he behaved gay so that is my point). In any case, that gay guy complained to security about him and as I was with them, we both got escorted out of that venue.
The important detail for this story is probably that I did not add C on IG until he Morning. She gave me her IG at about 2 am Something, we got kicked out at around 3 am and then went around the streets to look for girls on the street. We even ended up hitting on a group of Irish girls who were way to drunk (or even on drugs) to be able to understand what they were doing. One was almost falling on the floor at times and I had to catch her in my arms. We could have gone for the pull with these Irish girls which is something my friend wanted to do but they were accompanied by a boy who looked 17 and they were 200 meters away from their home (where they lived with other people) so we just spoke to them instead and got their IGs. I also did not want to try anything too Advanced with them as they clearly were not totally conscious of what was going on. Well if you want to share your opinion of you would have done if you were in position, feel free to do so, I will definitely take it into account. That being said, those Irish girls are besides the point as they were below my standards and not the type of girls I was usually seeking.
I ended up sending an instagram follow request to C as well as a message the next morning at 9:42 am as we reached home. She gave me her IG at around 2:30 am and we got kicked out at about 3 am. Unfortunately I was too tired when writing to her so in the invitation message I spelled her name wrong (bth names started with C but I or the spell check corrected wrote the wrong one, so say Carema instead of Caramellia… stupid examples I know but they were both close). In the evening of that day, after having slept well and everything, I wrote her another message from my business IG account saying that I felt bad for the name confusion and that it was my spellchecker who did it, as I do remember what matters in life and definitely remembered her and her name well))
She has not responded a few days later so I sent her a funny instagram post which said "what happens with me when I see you" and showed a tree which looked like an erection in the video. She has not responded to that request until now. Today I sent her another video saying "everyone speaking about the treasure of the louvre being stolen but they Don't realize that the most valuable treasure is you". And yes, you can share instagram posts and videos with girls that have not yet accepted your invitation...unless they have actually blocked you.
Having struggled with auto-rejection so many times, I am tempted to think that waiting until the morning to text her was the Reason for the lack of responses to my invitation though for C there may be other reasons involved. Guy A may have been her actual boyfriend and as she sobbered up, she decided not to upset him or the fact that I got her name wrong may have actually pissed her off… we will never know I guess.
There is, however, a law which I have uncovered in these years of getting girls, and this law has been demonstrated with the girls we met here. It would state it as follows:
Over the years I have noticed a very interesting trend which is almost mathematical: All the girls I have had any success getting, I have texted them within the first 2 hours of meeting them. I have also, not been able to get any of the girls whom I texted 10-12 hours later. Simply none, I have not had any girl that I texted the next that I managed to get beyond just a basic response, and in most cases they never responded (just like the girls in this post). Strangely enough, a few girls did not even respond to the text I sent within these 2 hours and I had to call them the next day to double check that I got the right number and still managed to get back of them but the opposite was never true, it is just impossible, at least in my experience.
Discovering this law is just so ironic, interest somehow does really have an expiration date and if this is a brand new relationship, missing this time limit is just unrecoverable for you it seems.
The sad part in my case is that I am no weak man and in none of these cases have I purposely withheld warmth and attention from any of these chicks. I sinply had to live a life that was not so easy and in most cases legitimate reasons prevented me from texting them "in due time". Whilst these girls must have overcooked in that time period, panicked and mentally blocked me in some way.
The reason for which I am writing this post is not really to brag about myself or to get any compassion for failing so miserably with 3-4 of those 6 girls but is rather twofolds: First, to get advice on how I could save the situation and still manage to get girls L and C whom are personally my favorite (after having thought about it long and hard).
and second, to compare with your experiences as I am almost certain that the same law will apply to your girls. I'd be really surprised if any of you have texted girls 3 days later and still managed to get them in the end… That's the part I want to discuss so eagerly.
In another post that will be posted in the "field report" section, I will look into interesting observations and the key factors that will decide wether you get her number or not so stay tuned for that, or based on the date at which you are reading this, you may already consult that post as it will be the first post I will publish with this account in that specific section, as stated earlier, I used to be on this forum years ago, before all the Survival I was in but I don't have access to that other account anymore.
I would like everyone to share their experience in order to make this newly discovered rule even more advanced and refine it even more but as a disclaimer I do want to warn, please share only relevant data and statistics, do not invent anything. If you have not yet met enough and have yet spoken to enough women in your life, and all your knowledge comes from the this website, the internet or the stories of other people, either refrain from or at least think before writing. The goal here is for us all to find the truth, not to brag or pollute this interesting discovery with artificial stories that do not yield true data. It will only have the opposite effect. Please work on yourself, go out and speak to tens of girls first, then you will share your findings and experience here. Definitely do not invent anything. At best you will confuse everyone, at worst more experienced users will see through the bullshit (and make fools of yourselves). I think the data and experience of older users of this forum will be particularly valuable here as we would need some more data beyond my girls but I definitely welcome everyone to share their experience here, as long as it is real and legitimate.
Look forward to hearing your stories, regards
