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LR  Country Bumpkin ;) The virtue of patience/persistence

Mr.Rob

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This LR was extremely unexpected (or perhaps I undermine my skills) and I'm still in disbelief I actually pulled this one off... This is a really good example of how important it is to stick to the process, don't chase/be needy, and don't give up even when things look hopeless.

If you want the whole story from start to finish skip this.

If anything I'd like some advice regarding escalation technique/how to handle sex regret. If you don't care to read about my adventure, but wish to give me advice on the aforementioned skip to the 3rd dotted line and Aftermath.

If you just want the long and skinny read this paragraph and skip to the 2nd dotted line:

I met a girl in class, emotionally crested too early/chased a bit. Thought I was toast at this point. Then got her number just for the hell and after trying to set up dates twice she flaked once and never texted back the 2nd time. I figured for sure I was toast and then this happened (skip to 2nd dotted line)
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This seduction took place over the course of 2 1/2 months from first meet to lay so I've been hammering away for awhile now. This girl is the hottest girl in all of my classes (not saying much at my school where the average age is 45 yrs.) but she's an absolute sexy girl and very very shy in class. I simply introduced myself to her the first day of class after class got out as we walked to our cars.

I kept talking to her here and there in and after class and she was always very quick to qualify herself to me in any way possible (even in front of the whole class.. woot!).

One day I saw her in the computer lab and knew I needed to say hi otherwise it'd be awkward since she clearly saw me. I was a bit nervous and opened her by attempting to bust her stones for being shy... dumb move (MISTAKE #1). I about sent her into auto rejection and maybe I did. Though after class that day I caught up to her and chatted her up like nothing happened and she began qualifying herself again to impress me.

The following week I knew I'd been dilly dallying to long and needed to make something happen. She was waiting in her car for class early so I tapped on her window told her I was bored as an excuse to chat. I soon moved her to a bench where we talked and I deep dived before class started. One line in particular got her very interested
I forget exactly what led up to me saying this but here it is
Me: I find you very interesting
Her: No I'm actually a rather dull person
Me: Completely untrue. You are so shy and introverted in social settings making you seem dull but you have this deep fiery passion in your eyes that says otherwise... I find you very intriguing Amber
Her: (eyes light up big)

The cool thing about dating in class is that most of the time (if you're a sexy guy and a girl is interested) you can tell when you get approach invitations when you walk out class and HB is right behind you coincidentally. Like she'll have her shit packed up and ready to go but won't get out of her chair until 2 seconds after you.. well this happened and I knew it was game on!

I immediately proposed that we grab dinner somewhere and she had no qualms whatsoever.

To make a long story short I played my best version of asshole game and she ate it up. I was very commanding (though she claims demanding) in a Christian Grey type of way (I had just finished the book) and she submitted to most of my ridiculous commands.

I fucked up by kissing her in public and cresting the emotional wave before getting us to a "seduction spot" (MISTAKE #2). It was an extremely dominant kiss I threw her on the ground and manhandled past her resistance to an intense makeout. She fled the scene almost immediately afterward in her cherry red Mustang (which she bought herself with cash at 21 yrs... this girls a boss). Before leaving I tried to talk very smoothly into setting up another date in which she shit tested me and being emotionally charged from the makeout seconds before I lost my cool for 2 seconds and said something stupid/chasey.

I figured I was toast at this point and wrote things off as a fuck up and vowed never to kiss women in public again and to instead find a seduction spot.

I also figured if anything I'd be in BF territory at this point and she'd have extreme resistance to any of my advances.

The next week I got her number and proposed a date. She flaked and when I tried to reschedule she said she was busy. Like I said I was almost positive I was toast and figured at least I had tried my hardest and learned a lot in the process.

Not so

The next week she was absent and sent me a text that night asking what she missed in class. We have a syllabus that tells what chapters to study so I knew she wasn't actually giving a fuck about the assignment. Also I wasn't about to submit to her frame and just give her the chapter we did so I told her "I was busy at the moment but could discuss it with her over a cup of coffee soon ;) ". Clearly I wasn't too busy to text her the assignment but I wasn't going to be some nice guy push over, "hey soo good to hear from you! Yeah the assignment it ch. x! What are you up to?!"

She didn't respond to the message...

A week later it was spring break and I figured I'd ping her with a pretty standard and direct intent text inquiring that we should grab a coffee later in the week.

No response whatsoever. Not even "Oh thanks but sorry can't make it!".

I really don't even know what to make of this but I think she's testing me here to see if I'm going to be all needy the next time we see each other in person. Especially since I already played my cards wrong.

I did the exact opposite and I want those that aren't as experienced (though I'm far from experienced mind you) to internalize this. If a girl doesn't text back and you have to see her again pretend and treat her like nothing happened. Like you forgot you even texted her in the first place.
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Now this is where things get interesting. At this point in time she has deliberately not responded to my texts twice in a row and now it's time for class. I'm still convinced this is a lost hope but in the back of my mind a growing voice is saying "she probably still likes you and will chase you!".

I decided to weigh the odds in my head.

I figured there was probably a 15% chance she'd chase me if I didn't acknowledge her, and simply act neutral without showing a signs that I had auto-rejected (which I hadn't). Those odds seemed good enough to me and I was prepared to act if the opportunity presented itself.

When class ended I calmly got up, put my jacket on, and walked out the door while wishing the professor a good night. I chatted with a student on the way and stopped for 10 seconds to finish our convo before parting ways. I open the door to let myself out of the college and out of habit I look back to see if someone needs the door held.

Turns out someone does. It's Country Bumpkin...

I knew she did that on purpose and I also knew it was game on... I had left a good enough imprint despite the mistakes I had made. The only reason this happened was because I wasn't needy and I displayed an indifference through my outcome independence. Clearly, in her eyes, I must be a high value man with options to not care either way about her.

We get into some basic small talk and I'm in not about to get giddy and excited to talk to her.

She plays things super cool and doesn't bring up the text or apologize for not texting back. I find this very attractive as I like straight shooters. We talk and as we get closer to the car I get the chance to use a subtle chase frame.

Her: Well my cars all the way on the other side I need to go this way (she remains going the same way as me)
Me: hmm. following me around now are you?
Her: (sly smile w/ eye contact)
Me: I change subject

I ask her about her spring break (at this point the conversation is pretty much platonic with very little sexual eye contact and vibe). Then she's about to go to her car and I know this is an escalation window that if I miss I will probably never get another one. The conversation goes as follows:

Me: What are you doing tonight?
Her: Ooop I gotta go feed and blanket my horses.. probably soon they're getting cold!
Me: I'm sure you have 30 minutes to spare. Your horses won't freeze that fast.
Her: (smiles) yeah I guess so.. what are we going to do?
Me: Idk, lets take a ride in your car for starters and we'll see where it leads...
Her: Okay! But I warn you it's messy.
Me: I'm sure it can't be much worse than most women's cars. Come pick me up at my car I need to put my stuff up.
Her: So demanding!! Fine

I could have easily taken her words of having to go feed her horses at face value (though that was a real issue) and said "okay well maybe next week then!" since she said it in a way that would have been easy to submit to. This displayed dominance and implied I knew what she wants despite what she said.

She picks me up in the car and soon asks where we're going.

My plan is to get her over to my place and smash. I didn't want to flat out state we're going to my house so I did something a bit sneaky.. though I think she knew the game plan the whole time.

I first gave plausible deniability. I didn't say where we were going I just said "we can't go out to eat (like our first date) because I'm on a gluten free/preservative/sugar free diet and can only eat at my house." Then I changed the subject.

Though even with this said I didn't say where or what we were going to do, therefore she couldn't put up any resistance as to driving 40 minutes out of the way to my house to most likely engage in sexual promiscuity.

Then I simply kept the conversation light, interesting, and thought provoking (my favorite type of convo) and she simply kept asking where to turn to get wherever it was we were going. This was actually pretty cool. Finally we get to the bridge that leads to my town and she automatically gets in the lane that only turns onto the bridge... with no turn around.

She knew what was up. At this time I spilled the beans and announced (with further plausible deniability) that I was going to make her gluten/preservative/sugar free dinner (its true! My penis is natural, gluten, and sugar free... though theres lots of zinc inside ;) ) and this was clearly the only way to accomplish this feat. She said that it simply sounds good.

Next in the car ride she starts qualifying herself as a bad girl that doesn't always follow the rules. She talks about how she used to drink alot and kept bringing up how she used to go party with her friend and her friends fuck buddy. She kept mentioning her friends "fuck buddy". I just realized now what she was hinting at.

Anyway she keeps qualifying herself (and unfortunately I start to also for a second without realizing it) and we eventually make it to my house. We get out and I lead her inside with my hand on the small of her back.

Once we get inside I tell her we have to take our shoes off otherwise we can't leave the kitchen. She says okay and but doesn't take her boots off. I go to take them off for her, which she allows for .2 seconds and then pulls back and says no! I think she was preventing from being to easy since it was as if I was undressing her.

This bothers me for a split second since I feel as if I just lost the frame battle but I think quickly and keep things moving. I tell her thats fine. Then a minute later tell her we should go pick out some music to listen to (my music is in my room in which you must take your shoes off to get to). She gets up and follows me and when we get to the edge of the wood floor I command her to take her boots off. She says no and then I slowly turn my head to look her in the eyes and give her the "are you really not submitting" look to which she soon looks down and takes her boots off.
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THIS IS WHERE I NEED SOME ADVICE PLEASE
Situation: I'm preparing to escalate we both know whats going to happen next and I want to build lots of sexual tension before kissing her. I want to tease her into basically begging for me and I have no real experience or know how here, other than intuition which is decent.

I gave her a message with her on my lap, got her to suck wine off my fingers, played with her lips and face with sexy eye contact, and felt up her legs. Though even after all this the tension levels were about the same as they were (existing but not highly magnetic)

What do you talk about to really ramp up sexual tension while escalating? How do you tease a girl before you're naked?

A couple of times I'd give her sexy eye contact and get close to her face in which she was anticipating me to kiss her but then wouldn't. After a while I could tell it was time to make a move soon before escalation windows close so I got her lying on her stomach, whilst messaging her, then mounted her back, pulled her hair back, and started sucking on her neck.
This turned her on and she started moaning.

Pause. I think one problem with the lack of sexual anticipation was that we already both knew exactly how the movie was going to end, so to speak. There was no point in dragging it out and being all slow with the seduction. Instead attacking her aggressively and with desire the moment we got in the house would have been wayyyyy more exciting for the both of us. Will remember for next time.

Anyway we start getting a bit more passionate and start making out. I go to take her pants off and to my great surprise she has no panties on! Soooo sexxyyy, just her delectable little pussy staring at me. I start kissing up and down her thighs and try and tease her by licking everywhere but her pussy. I don't know if it was driving her crazy or not since I couldn't see her face but my intuition tells me I wasn't unfortunately.

Nonetheless soon I get her clothes off and spontaneously decide I want to be Christian Grey. I've been fascinated by BDSM for awhile but have never had the opportunity to practice. I make up an excuse why she needs to be spanked and bend her over my knee. I deliver 3 spanking and tell her to count them outloud as I give them to her. She doesn't Comply! and then proceeds to get up and avoid them.
I don't know how to interpret this as her being purposely insubordinate to test me or she was simply tired of being spanked and thought it a ridiculous idea. Either way I decided not push the issue and continue with further escalation. Don't know if that was a good idea or not? I'm way inexperienced lol.

We exchange head and my gosh this girl gives the best head I've ever had the pleasure of receiving in my entire life! Sucks nuts and everything, no teeth, lifes good!

Long and short we smash, due to my lack of testosterone (what I'm putting the blame on) from shitty diet, poor sleep, no exercise for the past week I had trouble staying hard the whole time and could not sustain a steady rythym because of this.

-Hilarious side note- In an effort to try and be super cool and be like 50 shades I got tired of her steady insubordination and decided to restrain her.
I pulled out some handy dandy zip ties I had conveniently near me and with some persistence I finally was able to tie her hands together without her escaping.
This excited her until I looked down and was completely limp.
FUCK!
I told her she needed to suck my dick in which she shows me her binded hands.
FUCK!
I stopped everything and left to get a knife.. all the way in the f-ing kitchen, to cut her free which kinda killed the vibe a bit :/

Lesson learned- make sure you are hard before binding a womans hands... otherwise it will be hard for them to get you hard ;)

She finally gave me the best head of my life and I got up and banged her doggy style for a couple minutes till I came.. she had still yet to cum and it was now time to go.

Aftermath

I'm very dissapointed in my performance in the bedroom and don't really know how to think about it. This girl was a pro in all areas and I pretty much sucked it up. I gave her high expectations (from body language and subtleties in convo) of being a good lover, which I genuinely have from past experience, but due to my lack of erection I let her down.

Because she was so good compared to me I feel embarrassed and kinda feel fake which is something I pride myself on not being.
Though I've given women hard orgasms in the past (and am pretty confident if I would've had a monster erection rather than a wet noodle I would've got the job done) I legitimately feel sorry for her as I believe after all that she at least deserves a hard, eye rolling, orgasm. Afterall the only reason she went to bed with me after all my mistakes was because she believed I'd rock her world.d

I let this get to me a bit even though I knew I was performing at 50% of my standard due to lack of Testosterone (which I need in order to have mighty wood). Though I hate to make excuses and I do take responsibility for my lack of being a good lover.

Unfortunately I didn't really do much to let her know I was having an off day and looking back I think I might have acted like that was me at the top of my game.

Is there anything I can do to fix this and let her know the next time I see her I'll rock her world.
I'm worried she's in sex regret and have no clue how she's going to react to my proposing we go have sex again.
I feel like I need to let her know that I wasn't at 100% and want to get her off... though IDK if she'll even believe me.



Another thing that distressed me slightly:

In the car ride back she mentions how she thinks I have a domination/control issues (I have been commanding, demanding in her words, her to give lots of compliance even to silly things.. and the whole BDSM trial thing as well). I dig a bit deeper and she tells me that she thinks it's funny. This was kind of a slap to the face because I thought I was being authoritative (though there's a high chance I'm not doing it completely right) in which authority wouldn't be "funny". I felt it was like how we tell women their "silly and cute". I don't really know what to make of this statement if I should be worried (and change something) or not think to deep into it.

To make matters worse I fuck up the very last thing I do when I get out of the car. I didn't know whether I should kiss her or not (to show her I enjoyed my time) when leaving so halfway out the car I turn back grab her face and kiss her on the lips. She doesn't kiss back at all.

Whoops I knew I shouldn't have done that. Now I'm chasing... again lol.

Oh well at least I only have to learn that lesson once!
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All and all I think I did an outstanding job turning this one around, an average job of ramping the tension/escalation pre sex, and a mediocre job performing in the bedroom.

I have no clue what her expectations are and I'm guessing she's probably thrown me to the wolves by now (though idk for sure).

I'd like to bed her one more time and rock her world like she deserves. I don't know how willing/trusting she will be to allow that to happen. Any suggestions?

-Rob
 

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Rob:

This is fascinating, and a really exciting turnaround.

Mr.Rob said:
The following week I knew I'd been dilly dallying to long and needed to make something happen.
Good call.

Mr.Rob said:
She was waiting in her car for class early so I tapped on her window told her I was bored as an excuse to chat.
This is so simple, it's brilliant!

Mr.Rob said:
Me: I find you very interesting
Her: No I'm actually a rather dull person
Me: Completely untrue. You are so shy and introverted in social settings making you seem dull but you have this deep fiery passion in your eyes that says otherwise... I find you very intriguing Amber
Her: (eyes light up big)
This exchange is eye-opening. First, like I said to you yesterday, it's really, really intriguing to see a girl who's so afraid to pass your screens that she actively tries to disqualify herself, even though she clearly likes you, because she doesn't quite think she's "good enough" and will be "out of her depth". I don't what it is about that but I find it adorable. Second, the way you took that and ran with it is quite inspiring footwork: terrific quick thinking, Rob.

Mr.Rob said:
The cool thing about dating in class is that most of the time (if you're a sexy guy and a girl is interested) you can tell when you get approach invitations when you walk out class and HB is right behind you coincidentally. Like she'll have her shit packed up and ready to go but won't get out of her chair until 2 seconds after you...
I'm gonna remember this. Not for class (it's about 15 years since I attended any class worthy of the name) but for any group activity. I'd like to play with it and confirm it for myself... maybe watch for it and then ask for investment as a test, e.g. move the girl.

Mr.Rob said:
We have a syllabus that tells what chapters to study so I knew she wasn't actually giving a fuck about the assignment.
Smart read, Rob.

Mr.Rob said:
Clearly I wasn't too busy to text her the assignment but I wasn't going to be some nice-guy pushover, "hey soo good to hear from you! Yeah the assignment it ch. x! What are you up to?!"
Smart, smart, smart. Though that was me a year ago (・。・;)

Mr.Rob said:
Then I simply kept the conversation light, interesting, and thought provoking (my favorite type of convo) and she simply kept asking where to turn to get wherever it was we were going. This was actually pretty cool.
Even I recognize this as being straight out of Chase's playbook. "Chatty transition" to allay concerns =)

Mr.Rob said:
She kept mentioning her friends "fuck buddy". I just realized now what she was hinting at.
Nice one!

Mr.Rob said:
She says no and then I slowly turn my head to look her in the eyes and give her the "are you really not submitting" look to which she soon looks down and takes her boots off.
Good deal... fuck this is hot. I love submissive women, especially when they argue pointlessly first. Here's another example:
Mr.Rob said:
Her: So demanding!! Fine

Mr.Rob said:
I go to take her pants off and to my great surprise she has no panties on! Soooo sexxyyy, just her delectable little pussy staring at me.
This is so classy. What a cool girl.

Mr.Rob said:
I'd like to bed her one more time and rock her world like she deserves.
You need to do that, Rob, oh yes you do!

Tremendous.

-Marty
 

Mr.Rob

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Thanks Martay.

I don't have a mouse so I can't quote anything properly but referencing women disqualifying themselves because they don't think they will pass your screens. This is a very interesting thing and I didn't even think about it like that. I just figured it was an attempt to be humble but I like your version better (which sounds more realistic). I like it because it means that I'm sexier than I think lol!

Yeah she was a cool f-ing chick. We'll have to see what happens next.
 

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Also to everyone reading this I've just come to the realization that even though certain parts of this interaction were a complete train wreck, especially the sex, (at least being a perfectionist in this area assures my success of being a good lover)

I've learned so much from this one interaction that I never would've learned if everything went smooth and perfect.

For that I'm very grateful (she's a good teacher whether she knows it or not) and if I can't turn this around, once again, then I'd rather have it this way (and have learned a ton) than to have smoothly gotten her and not learned a thing.

Over and out!

-Rob
 

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Hey Rob,

This LR was like a fine cinema. I laughed with you at some parts, I cried with you at others, etc. I can't give you any advice, just comments on your glory. I hope she meets up with you again for a rematch since you say you weren't feeling to up to snuff. I'm not sure what to think about her comments to you on the drive home...did you ask her right then and there if she was ever curios about BDSM/enjoyed 50 shades or anything like that?

Maybe she was steering it into a talk about what she likes in bed, for your future reference. Who knows. Until then, let's just assume attraction, as Chase says

I've learned so much from this one interaction that I never would've learned if everything went smooth and perfect.

Great mindset Rob! Water wears down anything, given enough time.
 

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Thanks G_P I'm glad it read well... or was interesting enough for someone to read lol.

As far as the comment on the way home I think that was partly because I was extremely commanding with her from day one, especially over little ridiculous stuff ("walk slower" "pass me my drink (when I'm clearly closer to it)" ). She always made remarks about me being extremely demanding.

But she never had any qualms over it and I think she liked it as it asserted my dominance.

However the BDSM trial thing is where I lost it, and think it made me look a little stupid since I was trying to act like I knew what I was doing.

Will keep updated if things go well down the road.
 
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Rob,

Congrats on your LR. Regardless of whether or not you actually showed her a great time, which always is better, I still think you should be proud that you moved through some difficult obstacles smoothly, got laid, and learned immensely from the entire experience.

Gentle_Phrases said:
This LR was like a fine cinema. I laughed with you at some parts, I cried with you at others, etc.

My thoughts exactly! This LR was interesting in that you did some things SO WELL, but by the time it actually got down to doing the deed I felt like maybe you were trying too hard to give her an experience which you yourself dont have much experience in. Needless to say, I commend your effort to try.

My comments:

Mr.Rob said:
This seduction took place over the course of 2 1/2 months from first meet to lay so I've been hammering away for awhile now.

That's some amazing persistence, man.

Mr.Rob said:
No response whatsoever. Not even "Oh thanks but sorry can't make it!".

I really don't even know what to make of this but I think she's testing me here to see if I'm going to be all needy the next time we see each other in person. Especially since I already played my cards wrong.

I did the exact opposite and I want those that aren't as experienced (though I'm far from experienced mind you) to internalize this. If a girl doesn't text back and you have to see her again pretend and treat her like nothing happened. Like you forgot you even texted her in the first place.

Definitely some kind of test, and I am so glad you followed process and didn't buy into her frame to try to make you chase.

Mr.Rob said:
I ask her about her spring break (at this point the conversation is pretty much platonic with very little sexual eye contact and vibe). Then she's about to go to her car and I know this is an escalation window that if I miss I will probably never get another one. The conversation goes as follows:



Me: What are you doing tonight?
Her: Ooop I gotta go feed and blanket my horses.. probably soon they're getting cold!
Me: I'm sure you have 30 minutes to spare. Your horses won't freeze that fast.
Her: (smiles) yeah I guess so.. what are we going to do?
Me: Idk, lets take a ride in your car for starters and we'll see where it leads...
Her: Okay! But I warn you it's messy.
Me: I'm sure it can't be much worse than most women's cars. Come pick me up at my car I need to put my stuff up.
Her: So demanding!! Fine



I could have easily taken her words of having to go feed her horses at face value (though that was a real issue) and said "okay well maybe next week then!" since she said it in a way that would have been easy to submit to. This displayed dominance and implied I knew what she wants despite what she said.

She picks me up in the car and soon asks where we're going.

My plan is to get her over to my place and smash. I didn't want to flat out state we're going to my house so I did something a bit sneaky.. though I think she knew the game plan the whole time.

I first gave plausible deniability. I didn't say where we were going I just said "we can't go out to eat (like our first date) because I'm on a gluten free/preservative/sugar free diet and can only eat at my house." Then I changed the subject.

Though even with this said I didn't say where or what we were going to do, therefore she couldn't put up any resistance as to driving 40 minutes out of the way to my house to most likely engage in sexual promiscuity.

Then I simply kept the conversation light, interesting, and thought provoking (my favorite type of convo) and she simply kept asking where to turn to get wherever it was we were going. This was actually pretty cool. Finally we get to the bridge that leads to my town and she automatically gets in the lane that only turns onto the bridge... with no turn around.

She knew what was up. At this time I spilled the beans and announced (with further plausible deniability) that I was going to make her gluten/preservative/sugar free dinner (its true! My penis is natural, gluten, and sugar free... though theres lots of zinc inside ;) ) and this was clearly the only way to accomplish this feat. She said that it simply sounds good.

Rob...THIS PIECE WAS FUCKING INCREDIBLE. This is like straight out of Chase's playbook, and you recognized a huge escalation window with this. I am beyond impressed...I for one would never have thought to do such a thing, and it's just brilliant how you basically turned a 40 minute car ride into a date that has elements of adventure, mystery, and intrigue.

I like that you hinted at going to your house but didn't state it explicitly, almost just as a matter of fact that you can't eat elsewhere. Great plausible deniability.

Mr.Rob said:
A couple of times I'd give her sexy eye contact and get close to her face in which she was anticipating me to kiss her but then wouldn't. After a while I could tell it was time to make a move soon before escalation windows close so I got her lying on her stomach, whilst messaging her, then mounted her back, pulled her hair back, and started sucking on her neck.
This turned her on and she started moaning.

You ask how to increase the sexual tension and anticipation; I would say you were doing a good job right here. One missing component is some kind of seductive, dirty talk. On the forum there is an ESP Guide to Sexual Escalation; I would suggest giving that a read again. There are some great things in there.

Mr.Rob said:
Pause. I think one problem with the lack of sexual anticipation was that we already both knew exactly how the movie was going to end, so to speak. There was no point in dragging it out and being all slow with the seduction. Instead attacking her aggressively and with desire the moment we got in the house would have been wayyyyy more exciting for the both of us. Will remember for next time.

I agree with your assessment. It was already pretty clear what was going to happen. At most you would probably have gotten a little LMR.

Regarding your BDSM adventures and lack of sexual prowess that night,have you read on bdsm technique? Was her staying I'ver not an option?
 
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