LR- Crush and Burn

[Sam]

Hello gentlemen!

This report will be about a woman I cold approached on the street on Friday the 13th around 3 am.
She was a hot, brunette milf with a great body who looked like at least 5 years younger than what she really was.

The cold approach:
I was waiting outside a bar for my wingman, as this hot milf walks in front of me with her girl friend. We lock eyes, then I let her walk past me for a few steps. Then, I follow her to stop her. I touch her elbow lightly, she stops, then I start talking:

Me: I saw you walking in front of me a few minutes ago and you deserved to hear that you have a great body.
Her <<stopping to address me>>: Oh thank you very much!
Me: I am Sam <<extending my hand to her>>
Her: I am Lia
Me: Lia? The short version of?
Her: Evangelia!
Me: I like it more in its full beauty... Lia sounds the name of a hairdresser <<me joking cockily and her friend cracking up>>
Her: Well...your complains to my parents!
Me: Noo...I think Lia will do after all. Listen I have to go, but I want to have a drink with you sometime soon..
Her: We will meet around this area sometime again!
Me: Come on Lia...you know I am not the kind of man who leaves things to chance...
Her: No, I don't know that
Me: Oh but you do. You can already tell by the fact I stopped you on the spot.
Me: We will exchange numbers like the big boy and girl that we are
Her: Give me your number, I will make a missed call on you. <<she does, I wish her goodnight, I leave>>

As usual, I follow my process of letting one day pass before I text a new woman.

Texting:
Me: Hello Lia! Everything alright? When are you free for a little drink?
Her<<after a few hours>>: Hello Sam! I hope I pronounce your name correctly! Tuesday or Wednesday could work for me, but we will talk again!
Me<<after one hour>>: Ok, Lia. By the way, do you have Facebook? (This is a new tactic I invented to reverse the tables when I see a woman's interest being lukewarm towards me. The logic is the following: I ask for her FB. She thinks I want to add her. I do NOT add her. Then, she wonders why I did not add her. Is it because I didn't like her appearance after all? Then, usually the girl contacts me on her own account to check where she stands with me)
Her: Yes, I do! Here it is [name surname]

Next day:
Her<<texting me>>: I thought to say good afternoon... I hope I don't bother you
Me<<calling her after 30 minutes>>. She picks up. I arrange a drink with her on that night.

The date:
As usual, I set my first dates to the city's centre, despite the fact that my logistics suck because I live 30 minutes away using a car. I do this because it is the path of least resistance from the girl's point of view. We meet and go to a bar. We have two drinks and a stimulating conversation for one and a half hours. She asks me in the end whether she or me should pay. I reply by "dutch". She says "ok".

The pull:
Me: Do you follow?
Her: Ok, where are you parked?
Me: Very close, let's walk this direction
In the car:
Me: Do you like wine?
Her: Not really
Me: Well, I was hoping you can accompany me
Her: Well, I could do that
I receive the opportunity window and start driving to my place, 25kms away.

My place:
I take her by the hand and give her a tour of my place. As usual, the crown jewel of the tour is my huge balcony which gives us view to a wonderful little forest. I start kissing her right there within 5 minutes, touching her lightly all over her body.
Long story short: after 2 hours of extreme "attack", heavy make-outs, bursts of passion, domination positions that I made her take, she refused to take off her tight jeans. She said "I didn't want it to happen this way". I think to myself that I am done with her and take her back to her place. I delete her number.

Yesterday, she texts me "Hello, everything ok?" Me<<45 minutes later>>: "Can you call me?" (making her invest). She calls me. I arrange another date. She agrees. We talk for 45 minutes with flirting and sexual talk. We finish our drinks, then I lead her to my car. She followed completely to my place for the second time. We arrive.

She lies on my bed, I start escalating successfully. This time she lets me take her pants until she was completely naked. Heavy make-outs, kisses all over her smooth, wonderful body, "torturing" her with running my tongue around her inner thighs and pussy lips, then licking her clitoris slow, then faster, then slow. Licking her pussy and ass, then she wanted to give me head. She was moaning with everything I did, getting high from my dirty talk. I was wearing my pants up to my knees with my shoes on. I was hard and ready to penetrate her until....

...she asks me to get undressed completely. I tried to satisfy her preference and started to untie my shoes in order to take my pants off. I had a double knot and I could't bother untying my laces, while I was so hard and wanted to get inside her. So, I say out loud...

"Fuck the shoes! I want you now like that!"

All of a sudden, she gets up and starts putting her cloths on angrily...."What? I want to feel your naked body all over me! I am not like the little girls you fuck with your cloths on!"

Me<<in a very zen manner>>: This is ridiculous you know. You just asked me to stop serving your beautiful body and start dealing with my....laces. This is your choice. I totally respect that.

Her: No, it's not like that! You are too selfish to understand!

Me: It is as if we were sniffing coke and you asked me to interrupt it in order to smoke some ultra lights cigarette. This is what you did just now. I totally respect that. Not everyone is into coke...

After that, I had no interest in begging for sex with her. I found her demand truly absurd. I didn't even want to build bridges. I wanted sex to be a flowing experience, not something to be interrupted with such nonsense. So, I took her back home this time for good.

I hope I made you laugh

 

[Eternity]

Re: LR-:Crush and Burn

Love the mindset you have. No begging for sex, on your terms and ready to walk away and cut all contact if she's being a little bitch; we see eye to eye on that. I hope everyone can learn the lesson of being able to walk away and being a man when girls play their stupid games. Respect brother!

 

[Stewie]

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Fucking alpha. fuck that woman, she seriously got upset over that??? Honey, I am sorry to break it to you, but...... Your pussy ain't gold. Chest pump for how you handled that situation sir. Now go fuck a more beautiful and chill woman


Good day
Stewie

 

[Mr. oblivious]

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Don't mean to hate but taking off your shoes is not that big of a deal (its like she enters your home and you say to take her shoe off before she enters but in this case your about to enter her home and she want you to take of your shoes before you enter its a very simple and basic request)

Don't get me wrong she over reacted (well within her right) but you over reacted as well (if i am planning on having a big session you don't want to have it with clothes on) i think you just made it seem to her like she was some girl at the club or at the party who you take around the corner or in the toilet.

 

[milfhuntah]

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If you don't want to crash & burn again, remove your goddamn shoes, wtf. This is not "this woman" specific, I dare you to do it again, with more women, and see what reactions you get. And by women I do mean women, not little girls.

She was probably never turned on because of you wearing shoes, moaning doesn't mean shit. Some women like to do it all the time.
God, I hope you were not wearing sandals. You made her feel like cheap slut, taking her right there, can't be even arsed to take shoes off.

It seems like a general fuck-up with both over-reacting as stated by Mr Oblivious. Nothing alpha about it.

Not dissing or anything, hope you learned something from this experience

 

[Sam]

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I learned that you can lose a woman even from the deepest of stages in your interaction with her. I also learned that I need to focus more on not burning bridges so easily.

However, I find it boring to completely undress before having sex. I am a passionate person and I get immersed in the love making. Sex is not linear. Sex is a mess. When I am hard and ready, I can't possibly deal with my laces.

No sandals and no sports shoes. It was the double knot of my laces that I couldn't untie at that very moment with a hard dick that made me say "fuck it".

 

[Franco]

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Sam,

I learned that you can lose a woman even from the deepest of stages in your interaction with her. I also learned that I need to focus more on not burning bridges so easily.

However, I find it boring to completely undress before having sex. I am a passionate person and I get immersed in the love making. Sex is not linear. Sex is a mess. When I am hard and ready, I can't possibly deal with my laces.

No sandals and no sports shoes. It was the double knot of my laces that I couldn't untie at that very moment with a hard dick that made me say "fuck it".

Yeah, this is a tough one, Sam. And I think it's one that takes a good deal of experience to learn about, but essentially, you were both in two different sexual modes.

She was in the somewhat "romantic, remove all clothes slowly and passionately fuck me" mode while you were "I can't even control my penis until it's inside you RIGHT NOW" mode. There was a difference in the sexual energy, and it caused a disconnect between you. The best way to combat this is to be aware of what her sexual energy is like. If she's constantly touching you in very sexual ways and seems eager to just be chucked against a wall and ravaged, the whole ordeal of you having your pants around your ankles wouldn't have bothered her in the slightest. However, since she was more in the romantic mood (i.e. you took her to the balcony for a drink for a beautiful view), she was somewhat more in a "slower" progression mood toward sex.

To make this more clear, it was like she was "gazing at the stars" with you for a moment, then she turns over her shoulder and sees your pants around your ankles and your dick hard. To her it's like, "whoa, what the hell? I'm not ready for that yet!"

The idea here is to calibrate your sexual energy to hers. Ideally, when you're more advanced, you can get HER to calibrate her sexual energy to your own, so if you want the "I want to rip your clothes off and ravage your body" type of sex, you know how to instill that mentality in her before you even get home. However, if she seems very reserved until you finally get her naked, then she might expect a slower approach from you as well.

I would certainly consider this a more advanced topic of seduction since it certainly won't happen to you with every girl that comes home. But once you are capable of calibrating your sexual energy to hers (or, if you're really good, calibrating her sexual energy to match yours), then you won't encounter this problem nearly as much.

Either way, make sure not to argue with her at any point when she throws up objections. Instead, it's best to just go along with what she says in a playful, sexual way until you have sex with her (at least the first time). After she's felt comfortable having sex with you once, she'll definitely be up for a more "aggressive" round 2 right after!

- Franco

 

[BarryS1]

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Sam, I just encountered the exact same situation over the weekend. I know what it feels like bro. I had my second escalation fail except that my sexual comment wasn't as aggressive. All I said was, "Do you like it when I rub you like that?" and the girl flipped out of nowhere! Did you cut the cord with this girl or try to get another date?

I have similar sexual energy as yours - passionate and dirty talking. I found it unbelievable that a girl wanted it slow without talking!

 

[Sam]

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Franco, you are right about the divergence between my and her sexual mood. However, I think the problem in my case lies, not in the "what", but in the "how" department; how I react whenever something doesn't go my way. Even the woman in question told me that during our way back.

She clearly didn't want the night to end like that and she said: "You know...you could have salvaged this and make me stay, but you didn't want to. My reply was: "You are right. I want things to happen in a specific fashion, not in any way possible". I can only imagine how many women I left thinking similar auto-rejection thoughts - "he didn't push enough, he didn't want me enough"...

Thanks to your comments I am now thinking how many of the times I faced any sort of resistance by women I could have done better and the answer that comes to mind is..."in most cases I could have done better".

The deepest I am in an interaction with a woman, the more entitled I get and the more I am about to quit, if she doesn't act accordingly, which is very bad for my results. My ego gets in the way during these phases.

You see, women would invent resistance, if they had to, for the sake of feeling a sense of adventure...Resistance does not say anything about us, men, as I mistakenly thought. Resistance is all about her need to feel special and desired. The men who understand this have great success with women. The men who see their ego in this fail miserably - and I have failed a lot because of that.

Barry, I think your case is more weird than mine. I clearly made mistakes, but in your case I can't see any obvious mistake. Asking a woman if she likes it this way or another isn't bad. In fact, it shows interest on your part in how to please her. She overreacted, I think - and no, I didn't keep in touch with the woman of this post. I didn't think that after getting so close, I would have another chance with her.

Franco, this could be the topic of an upcoming post:

How not to play the game for your ego or
Play the game for sex, not for ego

 

[maximus6004]

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The first time I have dex with a woman, usually is a slow more romantic process for her to get used to you touching her and sleeping with her, only one time was it pants around the ankle kind and thats because I alnost.lost the chick. She cancelled pn me the third time after trying to sleep with her two times before, well it was a lose it or win it. I told her I had to gave her now she didnt respond for two hours and we played chicken until she caved and came over as soon as she walked through my door I ravaged her.

In your situation, I was sleeping with a woman like that, and the drama started before instead of her being calm about it, she ended up stalking me in the end..... so, you probably could have salvaged it, however, maybe it wasnt the worst idea losing her? Just my opinion

 

[BarryS1]

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Barry, I think your case is more weird than mine. I clearly made mistakes, but in your case I can't see any obvious mistake. Asking a woman if she likes it this way or another isn't bad. In fact, it shows interest on your part in how to please her. She overreacted, I think - and no, I didn't keep in touch with the woman of this post. I didn't think that after getting so close, I would have another chance with her.

Sam, I felt entitled as well before she did the LMR and won. I did X, X, and X, but you stillllll aren't happy? I guess I felt the same way about getting dates and adjusting sexual energy is another step to take.

Seriously, if you didn't post this LR-, I would of really f---ed up and probably had a fit. When it happened, I was like "wait, I've seen a report on GC about this. Don't panic, just adjust your sexual energy." It didn't work, but I was able to maintain composure because of your story. I honestly think this should be a sticky because no one has ever reported this before.

I'll do a FR report on mine so we can compare!