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foggy

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THE APPROACH

It’s after 7pm and I’m standing at the back of my favourite subway platform. I’ve positioned myself so people coming into the platform have to walk by me as they come down the stairs and spill out to my left and right.

Today, unfortunately, I’m struggling with my state. I’m low energy, barely coming across as dominant [despite working so so hard to pump it], and not horny at all. I’m also struggling with verbal fluency. Previous girls I’ve approached haven’t been all too interested in me. So I’m waiting for a girl to pass that arouses me…so I can enhance my sexual energy…and make myself more appealing.

I don’t have long to wait. Out of the corner of my eyes, I spot a hot brunette with a shiny black jacket and tight black jeans entering the platform. And as she walks in front of me, I notice she has an amazingly shaped ass….and I start feeling horny.

So I decide to approach.

I wait a few moments, then follow 20 feet behind her as she walks down the platform. She stops, and starts digging around in her purse, takes out her phone and stares at it. I walk up to her, plant myself in front of her, directly facing her and open:

FOG: I have something important to tell you
GIRL: …. [glances at me, looks down at her phone]
FOG: This will make sense in a minute….
GIRL: …. [looking at her phone]
FOG: you have plans for who you wanna be right? Like the best version of yourself.
GIRL: *nodding her head yes*

She doesn’t pay me much attention and just stares at her phone, playing on it….but this is no issue, I’ll just talk till she does…

FOG: well you’re not there yet but…I get this sense you’re well on your way.
GIRL: *bitchy look*
FOG: like you’re getting closer and closer….. and when you get there, i think it will be amazing, like you’ll be a whole new person and all your dreams will have come true…and its easy to imagine how it will feel. probably pretty good right?
GIRL: yeah
FOG: but not everyone is like this. not everyone is their own person.

Finally she puts the phone down and we hold eye contact.

GIRL: you cant judge someone just by their appearance. [bitchy]
FOG: this isn’t about judging someone by their appearance. This is about not everyone being their own person.
GIRL: ok….whats your point?
FOG: like some people have no plans for who they wanna be. And you know what I noticed about these people?
GIRL: what?
FOG: it’s that they can easily become who society wants them to be. Like when they’re faced with a decision to follow the herd, or to be their own person, they follow the herd. And as time goes on - they’re no longer their own person. They’re who society wants them to be.

Ok, now she’s not bitchy anymore, but she’s still indifferent. At this moment, the train hurls into the station and cuts off our conversation.

GETTING ON THE TRAIN

I lead her onto train, and I continue talking.

FOG: like with my friend…she grew up in a really religious household. They were very controlling of her…and you know what’s happened to her?
GIRL: what?
FOG: she’s just broken up with her boyfriend and she’s seeing a new guy. It’s going really well, like they have an amazing connection. But she’s worried that if she takes the next step with him, she’s gonna feel ashamed of herself. And it’s because growing up, her parents made her feel shame for this kind of thing. I don’t think it’s fair that she feels shame just for wanting to have a pleasurable experience, you know?

I stumble through this, so she’s rolling her eyes a bit, but towards the end of the story she softens up [pretty common reaction], and gets stimulated! She’s way more gorgeous when she’s not snarling at me. Here she starts to invest a bit, asking about my friend and if she still lives at home. We quickly chat about this, then I move to qualify her using a dominant tone:

FOG: tell me something interesting about you.
GIRL: [shocked/pleased] I actually live a boring life.
FOG: you just sit at home on the couch and stare at the wall.
GIRL: no.
FOG: so like… what do you like to do when you’re not eating or sleeping?
GIRL: I play sports
FOG: and what is it about sports that really does it for you?

She continues to invest more, going on about how sports are a source of stress relief for her. I know where I’m headed next. I want to stimulate her here by providing a perspective...that sports is therapeutic because it makes you live in the moment [this ended up being a mistake].

FOG: you know what’s great about sports and living in the moment?
GIRL: what?
FOG: its like…as youre playing any given sport, you pay attention to the moment… focusing on the details and tuning out all the other distractions….

TRANSFERRING TRAINS

While I’m saying this, the train is starting to slow down, and when it comes to a complete stop, she says she’s getting off. I make a split decision to get off with her, but it seems like I’m following her...and as we walk out onto the platform, I’m still talking, but I’m not holding her attention strong enough. I’m distant, not commanding and TOO philosophical.

And there’s a price to pay for this. We reach the busy escalator, and I plant myself on the right side, behind a long line of people who want to remain still while going up. I expect her to stand behind me, except she moves past me and starts walking up the escalator on the left side. I don’t follow. But when I get to the top of the escalator, I spot her walking onto the next platform, on her phone again. I walk up beside her and say:

FOG: I’m not done with you yet.
GIRL: :) [happily surprised to see me again]
FOG: what are you up to?
GIRL: im going to my boyfriends house.
FOG: I thought you lived a boring life.

She flashes me an actual shocked look, like I’ve completely caught her off guard. And then starts to qualify:

GIRL: [enthusiastic] I wanna travel!!! I haven’t really been anywhere that I really wanna go.

UNFORTUNATELY EJECTING

As this is happening, I notice the second train is already in the station with its doors open. We get on and she sits down. There’s no available seat beside her, so I stand beside her. And as I’m standing there I’m just feeling completely worn out from this interaction. I do re-engage her here briefly and she flashes me a sexually excited look but im in my head and its completely blank except for unhelpful thoughts...

...it’s way too late to get a number, I don’t feel like building to a new high point, im sick of the distractions, im too fearful to close right now...

These unhelpful thoughts get the best of me and I tell her to have a nice day, and eject.

MAIN LESSONS

1. Avoid the Bitch Shield


There were a couple reasons I got the shield. My state, pre approach and approach were off:
  1. My state had been crashing the past few days due to fapping, and despite a lot of work to get it back up through other means, I was still struggling to reach the appropriate energy I need to have successful approaches. So in general, I was dealing with a lot less receptivity from women around this time. Even though I had a shit state, I approached this girl like I was at peak state: I approached head-on, which is VERY direct and only works at peak state. Adjusting my pre-approach and approach strategy based on my current state is something I started doing after this.
  2. I also made a couple other mistakes like approaching her when she had low awareness radius and hadn’t seen me coming.
2. Use More Listing

I started incorporating more listing into this sequence after this. Listing feelings ended up providing great reactions.

People can easily become who society wants them to be. Like when they’re faced with a decision to follow the herd, or to be their own person, they follow the herd. And as time goes on - they’re no longer their own person. They’re who society…or the media….or their parents want them to be…like with my friend…she grew up in a really religious household. They were very controlling of her, very strict, very overprotective…and you know what’s happened to her? she’s just broken up with her boyfriend and she’s seeing a new guy. It’s going really well - the connection is great, they have an amazing chemistry, and shes super curious about him. But she’s worried that if she takes the next step with him, she’s gonna feel ashamed of herself. And it’s because growing up, her parents made her feel shame for this kind of thing. I don’t think it’s fair that she feels shame just for wanting to have a pleasurable experience, you know?
 
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FOG: tell me something interesting about you.
GIRL: [shocked/pleased] I actually live a boring life.

I have responses from girls sometimes for the line
"Tell me something interesting about yourself"

Girl : "You are the curious one so you tell me"

Girl : "You talked to me for all this time so you tell me"

Girl : "Do you think I find anything interesting about you? "

Now after this I always tried to change topics bit it came off as weak and don't know much responses in these situations.

Also these girls seem to be quite socially aware because these are definitely some good responses to put someone on the spot that even I have started to use when someone asks me this.

How would you respond to such girls?
 
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foggy

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How would you respond to such girls?

Good question @Sully

You are escalating by screening-to-qualify when you haven’t built enough compliance, and they are not sure about you. So they deflect.

You can fix this. But it’s better to fix the root problem than to just put a bandaid on it.

Fix the root problem

Fixing the root problem is a matter of, using techniques to build up enough compliance beforehand so that when it comes time to escalate they don’t resist and instead tell you something interesting about them. Techniques to build compliance include:

• displaying value,
• having real or percieved social proof,
• stimulation

And its also a matter of, finding the right time to escalate. You want to be doing this when you are certain you have enough compliance from her...like when she’s hooked and stimulated!

Put a bandaid on it

But let’s say you get into a situation where they are deflecting you. You can respond by DE-ESCALATING AND DEFLECTING.

GIRL: "You are the curious one so you tell me"
SULLY: I’m not ready for that yet. [de-escalating and deflecting]

Then to reposition, thread cut and take a step back, build up compliance and try to escalate again.
 
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