Picked a Turkish girl who is moving from SF in two weeks. It's on. Holding hand, engaging conversation etc.
The theme through the interaction is that she tells me what I can't do: get her number, walk with her, get on the bus with her, get off the bus with her, know where she lives, etc., I don't listen and stay along for interaction she then retorts with faux indignation, up-turned corners of her mouth, and eyes that are challenging but engaged. She would tell me she was lying to me. I wouldn't react but next time I feel like I need to use her lying against her. I'm not leading. At every step of the interaction...she says 'no', she stays put, I don't leave, we chat, move to next location, rinse and repeat. That is until we get to her building lobby door, scarcity trigger kicks in and if I hadn't lost frame control before I do here...
After 5 minutes of frame tests, her telling me what I can't do, she isn't going to drop her shopping bags off and get a bite to eat, the only reason she hasn't been rude is she is a nice girl, doesn't want to end up in 'bone collection' (running joke is that I'm a serial killer and a bone collector; I tell her to invite her friends - don't love this at all - what if she does??), 'why her?' (I don't like my answer here, it was genuine: hair and walk, but you turned out to be cool), unlocking her door at the call-box but not making it inside before it locks again bc of conversation, me getting real and grounding the conversation around being confused because she is telling me no but she is smiling and enjoying herself (don't know if this was a good Attainability move or not), me fucking up and taking the pressure to 11 out of 10 by smirking, lowering eyelids and stepping towards her (have no idea why i did this, hoping kiss would break tension, but the pre-kiss move was so uncalibrated and took the pressure through the rooff...escalate bro!!! WTF??), her getting half-way inside lobby door and chatting, her getting inside lobby door w/out me but standing there, something happens...
Another person unlocks the door. She rolls eyes and starts walking away. I open the door and the other person follows me in. As she is walking up a small flight of stairs in lobby, she turns to me, and in front of the other person, says something like either "you can't do this" or "you're not really doing this!?". I cave and bail
She has said no, I'm starting to feel a little 'creepy' and tbh I'm confused at what to do. Where should I draw the line? I realize it depends and you have to be there, but I guess I was scared to hear the words that come after this, something about the police.
I lost the frame battle a long time ago. I was chasing. This is the second time this has happened. Great street approach or 1st date...girl tells me what I can't do, I ignore them, their attraction goes up, but I'm not leading. The other time I ended up on the floor of her room walking towards it, she freaked out bc she had a bf and roommates, so I get that one.
Is there a way to turn this situation from chasing to pursuing from a position of power? All my Investment was taken compliance. I couldn't get her to do anything willingly. Are there some tactics I should employ: I used a false time constraint that she called out because I wasn't going to meet my friend like I said I was, seeding something at her place, stealing frame?
The theme through the interaction is that she tells me what I can't do: get her number, walk with her, get on the bus with her, get off the bus with her, know where she lives, etc., I don't listen and stay along for interaction she then retorts with faux indignation, up-turned corners of her mouth, and eyes that are challenging but engaged. She would tell me she was lying to me. I wouldn't react but next time I feel like I need to use her lying against her. I'm not leading. At every step of the interaction...she says 'no', she stays put, I don't leave, we chat, move to next location, rinse and repeat. That is until we get to her building lobby door, scarcity trigger kicks in and if I hadn't lost frame control before I do here...
After 5 minutes of frame tests, her telling me what I can't do, she isn't going to drop her shopping bags off and get a bite to eat, the only reason she hasn't been rude is she is a nice girl, doesn't want to end up in 'bone collection' (running joke is that I'm a serial killer and a bone collector; I tell her to invite her friends - don't love this at all - what if she does??), 'why her?' (I don't like my answer here, it was genuine: hair and walk, but you turned out to be cool), unlocking her door at the call-box but not making it inside before it locks again bc of conversation, me getting real and grounding the conversation around being confused because she is telling me no but she is smiling and enjoying herself (don't know if this was a good Attainability move or not), me fucking up and taking the pressure to 11 out of 10 by smirking, lowering eyelids and stepping towards her (have no idea why i did this, hoping kiss would break tension, but the pre-kiss move was so uncalibrated and took the pressure through the rooff...escalate bro!!! WTF??), her getting half-way inside lobby door and chatting, her getting inside lobby door w/out me but standing there, something happens...
Another person unlocks the door. She rolls eyes and starts walking away. I open the door and the other person follows me in. As she is walking up a small flight of stairs in lobby, she turns to me, and in front of the other person, says something like either "you can't do this" or "you're not really doing this!?". I cave and bail
She has said no, I'm starting to feel a little 'creepy' and tbh I'm confused at what to do. Where should I draw the line? I realize it depends and you have to be there, but I guess I was scared to hear the words that come after this, something about the police.I lost the frame battle a long time ago. I was chasing. This is the second time this has happened. Great street approach or 1st date...girl tells me what I can't do, I ignore them, their attraction goes up, but I'm not leading. The other time I ended up on the floor of her room walking towards it, she freaked out bc she had a bf and roommates, so I get that one.
Is there a way to turn this situation from chasing to pursuing from a position of power? All my Investment was taken compliance. I couldn't get her to do anything willingly. Are there some tactics I should employ: I used a false time constraint that she called out because I wasn't going to meet my friend like I said I was, seeding something at her place, stealing frame?
