Don't be fake

[Dylweed]

This whole website suggests to be this fake guy. It's completely unnatural. There's articles on how to walk, things to talk about and say, suggestions on what speed to move at, it all screams fake to me.

When i first found this website, i loved it. I suddenly started playing a role for the first time if my life wherever i went and i was pretending to be some smooth sexy guy who doesn't talk too much, who doesn't get excited, who deep dives. I got new reactions from people and thought what i was doing was awesome. Felt like i was playing some game and thought other people who didn't play this game were dumb and missing out.

Then i learned some other ideas and got into meditation. I started being genuine again. I began letting myself get super loud and excited and laughing like i naturally do. This site teaches you that those things are bad. But they're not. These are my naturally given gifts and if were to continue living my life without expressing what was naturally given to me that would be sad and ridiculous.

I came to a realization with the help of other people (not trying to advertise here) that being genuine and not needy is all that's required for success with women. This site seems to suggest to play some fake game to cover up your neediness (anxiety, nervousness). But if you actually just get rid of the neediness, you don't have to play some fake game.

Imaging a guy who's terrible with girls, he's probably so nervous around them that he doesn't know what to say. He's filled with self doubt so his brain scrambles to find ways to be cool. You could give that guy directions on what to say and how to act, but he'll just be covering up whats really underneath. He won't actually be happy. And even if he succeeds he'll feel like a fake.

Now tell that guy to do everything possible to get rid of his negative emotions so he can feel good. Have him meditate everyday, eat healthy, exercise, read good books, face his fears in a genuine authentic way. He'll start getting present to the moment and just being how he is. If people don't like him, thats okay, if people do like him, thats okay also. He just lives his life how he wants to. He talks about the things that HE wants to talk about, acts how HE wants to act. Instead of doing what he thinks he should do. This will give him real inner confidence where he knows that the people that like him, really like him for who he is. He'll become better at controlling his emotions so that nothing and nobody can ruin his mood.

The advice on this site actually made me worse with women. On dates i was even more nervous because i was in my head trying to bring up topics and conversations that were recommended to me by this site . I was trying to frame myself in a sexual way and throw in chase frames. It all felt so unnatural and stressed me out even more. You could argue that if you do them enough times then you wont be nervous about them anymore but you don't even need that in the first place. Girls will want to sleep with cool guys who are fun, they can tell which guys have value (positive emotions(lack of neediness)).

The default state is happiness so if you can eliminate negative thought loops you will succeed and that is all you need.

 

[Drck]

Hey Dylweed, You are right and you are wrong. We all want to be natural with women, the question is, how to get there? Many guys already feel good about themselves, they feel great and confident especially when not around girls, yet when they "are themselves" they don't get any chances with girls at all. So are they natural and successful with girls? Not really...

If you have never learned how to swim and you've never been in the water before, and a guy who swims every day tells you: it's so easy, just jump in the water and swing your arms and legs around and you'll be just fine - can you jump in the water and swim to the other side of the lake?

You should definitely try, and you should keep trying till you can make it, but chances are that it will take some time for you to swim... Maybe first you have to overcome some anxiety because you heard bad stories of somebody drowning. Maybe you tried before but ended up with coughing water out of your lungs. Maybe you have to gain some confidence first before you put your head under the water for the first time... Then after a while you realize that swimming is really easy, the more you practice the better you can swim...

So what you gonna tell a guy who never swim before? Well, you can tell him: it's so easy, just jump in the water and swing your arms and legs around and you'll be fine... Or you can say: just keep trying and you'll get there without any help.. It's 100% true, but that's not really gonna help him much...

But I totally agree with you, all sexy things and frames are useless, perhaps ridiculous. You don't even have to have any frame really either, as long as you know what you are doing. Or, I personally never understood deep diving, I simply just talk about what interests me (or her) in more details, and either listen or avoid topics where other people know much more. It is sort of a deep diving, at least IMO. I also agree that a lot of it is unnatural and stressful, that's why I always say to keep it simple, basic stuff is good enough... I definitely agree that all you need is happiness, perhaps all you need in your entire life is simple love...

On the other hand, what are you going to tell a guy who is anxious and shy, who doesn't have any social skills, and who really likes that girl? Just be cool guy, happy and fun - and that girl will be all over you? Yea, well it's definitely true, but it's sort of telling the guy who never swim to jump in the lake and swim to the other side.... Many guys don't know how to be happy, they don't understand the basic principles of interaction between men and women - not because they are stupid but simply because they were never exposed to it...

This was discussed here several times anyway, Chase, Franco and others did outstanding job, and I believe that there is lots of guys who truly benefit from GC... I could only wish I were 18-22 again and find site like this..... and even if not, extra information never hurt anyone...

Added: "You could give that guy directions on what to say and how to act, but he'll just be covering up whats really underneath. He won't actually be happy. And even if he succeeds he'll feel like a fake."
>>>> Here I disagree. For example, if the guy is weak, shy and insecure, you may suggest that he works on confidence, lift weights and being more independent. He's not really covering up anything, he is building a new features of his personality, he is building strenght. If he is anxious, you may suggest to meditate. Meditation is not a fake, you teach the guy to relax, let go of worries, feel better about himself and so on. You are not covering anything, and with practice he will actually become truly happy. If you are unsuccessful with women, well, learning seduction may feel fake at first. On the other hand, once you become successful you also realize that you are not a fake - you are now a better man who knows how to deal with women...

 

[Dylweed]

Drck, it doesn't really sound like we're disagreeing at all. Im all for lifting weights and meditating. I'm just against being in your head trying to play a role of somebody you are not like strategically planned conversations and forced body language. A natural confident guy does not ever think about those things at all, he doesn't think at all, he just is who he is. He feels good inside (good inner game) and because of that his actions and body language (outer game) reflect that.

Were agreeing that happiness is the answer.

I'm saying be yourself but the best version of yourself, which means be yourself minus the fear. Do you really know guys who have no fear around beautiful women but they still can't get laid? Probably not.

And i know telling a guy to not be afraid will not do anything, getting rid of the fear is so hard and it wont happen overnight but i think meditating, exercising, eating healthy and then taking MASSIVE action approaching women in an authentic genuine way will be much better advice than telling guys that when they approach that they should force conversations on these topics and force this kind of body language like moving slow and sexy etc.

 

[ray_zorse]

Hey Dylweed mate I disagree with what you say, I think I can contribute to this debate in a meaningful way based on personal experience, and I will try to do so.

My overriding thought here is that the website is aimed at inexperienced seducers, or that's to say guys who can't get girls, and to paraphrase Chase their paradigm is a shitty one. Ignoring inner game issues for the moment, and ignoring the fact that seducers develop their own style and adopt the techniques which are congruent with their personality... guys who can't get girls (like me, when I found this site) have nothing to lose by changing their walk, conversation style etc. It couldn't be a disadvantage, because guys who are proven successful with women do it like this, so at worst it's gonna be neutral (no change).

So that's my overview, but now I want to look a bit closer at specific issues.

Firstly, you say the walk, etc, is fake. Well it isn't. Imagine if you were brought up in Japan -- you had been taught a specific walk and specific behaviours like, when you enter a meeting room you keep your eyes down. You bow to superiors, etc. And if you go to a place like Australia where these behaviours are not necessary then you continue doing them because it feels weird not to do so. On the other hand if you stay here 20 years you lose those behaviours. What's natural? Neither. It's basically a question of conditioning. You can condition yourself to the behaviours you find desirable and that get proven results with women. What I think is a real shame though, is that GC material isn't taught in schools -- in the old days you sent your daughters to a Swiss finishing school to learn stuff like correct posture, well now people's posture is sloppy and all over the place... I'm trying to teach my kids the posture, walk etc, to help normalize it for them.

Now getting to sexual and chase framing -- well these happen to be things I specialize in, and frankly they've given me and my girls a huge amount of laughs and entertainment in my time in seduction. Actually I'll digress here slightly to describe a text message I sent today, it was just a normal "hello" kind of message congratulating her for her election to a committee I'm on... then I looked back at the first message I'd sent to her which was an icebreaker and which I never got a response to or followed up... it said "hi [her name]... it was fun teasing you today. you're cute when you blush. hehe. [my name]". I'd met her at the postgraduate mixer event a month ago and sat her down and started to say all kinds of outrageously sexual stuff, just for fun. You know what? She loved it. Better than "how's your research? who's your supervisor?" etc. This time, I got a response, I perhaps should have followed up my icebreaker a bit more aggressively, but hey.

The thing is that sexual and chase framing actually become a part of who you are, so what happens now is that in certain kinds of contexts my antennae perk up and I can see a potential sexual or chase frame which immediately starts to bounce around in my head and solidify, this while I'm still listening or speaing or following the conversation or whatever. Sometimes I don't say it, because I'm tired or feeling nervous. Another example here is when I was giving a speech introducing myself to a roomful of postgrads after the committee election I spoke of... I said a fair bit of boring boilerplate stuff about why I wanted to be on the committee, then I wanted to follow up with "and of course, I have no objection to working very closely with our beautiful President and Secretary" (who had just introduced themselves), however I did not say it because (a) I thought it might be inappropriate and (b) I was tired and sleep deprived and thought my calibration might be off as a result and (c) the words did not quite come in time... because of this I felt I had not been true to myself. So what's fake? Sexual and chase framing... or not sexual and chase framing? For me, it's the latter that's fake. This style has quite simply become part of who I am. So there.

Okay, so now I'm going to discuss inner game and making girls chase. Well I was at a crossroads a while back, was not meeting my goals in seduction and I looked elsewhere for inspiration, I'm a huge fan of Sasha Daygame and I ended up buying various of their products, I've had a number of Skype coaching sessions and I've bought Sasha Daygame's ebook and other things... well I was pretty excited about all this, they basically advocate mass approaching (wherever you happen to be -- if you see a chick you like -- approach) and always going direct (detailed rundown on how and why you should compliment a woman) and showing sexual intent early on. The advice is basically to get your inner game sorted (they don't say how) and then just aggressively be yourself. Good advice, right? Wrong. I have tried this over a number of months and I can say comprehensively that it does not work, for reasons I'm about to outline.

So what these guys are really advocating is to screen women hard, using sexual directness as one of your screening tools and honesty (being yourself) as another. So she's sexually available, into you, and she likes your personality, she's gonna hop into bed with you, provided you move things forward appropriately, right? Sure... but how likely is this actually? I would say, pretty unlikely! Most women are actually on the fence about their sexual attraction to you in the beginning. So screening for this removes a lot of potential partners straightaway. And about your personality, there's bound to be something there that she doesn't identify or click with. So if you reveal all about yourself straightaway, then that also removes a lot more potential partners. And, finally, going direct all the time is a lame-ass way to go about things, "see, approach, compliment" is just so one-dimensional and doesn't even begin to accommodate all the situations where an appropriate situational opener would do much better. Honestly, I wholeheartedly adopted these guys' philosphy, and my results tanked accordingly.

Chase's approach is much more multi-dimensional and forgiving of guys' different goals in seduction, since he basically gives you a toolkit and the knowhow to put the pieces together how it suits you. Remaining mysterious is and deflecting questions is essential, whereas I have heard it said, things like "if she's going to jump in bed with you, she has a right to know a little about you" -- wrong! The next mountain to climb for me is HTMGC -- "How to make girls chase" -- with subtle rewards for chasing, calibrated body language, the bored look, et cetera. I'm 100% certain this will take my results, which are already borderline acceptable, to a stratospheric level. It ain't gonna happen by just being myself, my brother!! I don't care if it seems fake at first. I'll make it a part of me.

Finally, on "inner game", I firmly believe that "fake it till you make it" is a useful, if not essential, paradigm. Sure I want my inner game sorted, but having started from well behind the 8-ball I could spend years just working on that and never getting laid. Having specific instructions to adopt the behaviours that might well come naturally do a dude with good inner game, has been absolutely invaluable to me. The feedback loop is also awesome, as results boost inner game!

Ray

 

[Jaimie Richards]

Hello guys,

Keeping in mind that I agree with what DRCK and Ray say, I'd like to add a couple of things (I hope I don't repeat something already said).

To me, this whole idea of "not being fake" comes from something I often call the mentality of a fly sitting on either a fence or a turd. In this scenario, fence = not bad (yet not good) position, turd = bad position. In both of these situations, the fly doesn't see the need to change anything - why change its current position for something better? Why try to get something nice - like sitting on a nicely smelling flower or have a party with other flies and dance around a lit light-bulb? After all, just sitting there on a lonely fence or a stinking turd, waving legs and wings and generally being happy is the only important thing. To me, what you're saying Dylweed, it's basically a rant in the vein of "just be yourself and everything will be A-OK".

And there's a cognitive dissonance here at play - being yourself (having your passions, interests, loved ones, goals in life - true being yourself) vs. being yourself (never changing, I am what I am, if I'm fat then I'm fat, but I'll drink diet coke instead of normal and everything will be fine, because I am me etc.).

It's basically finding out that always trying to change and changing for the better (therefore, being perfect due to constant change - @ Churchill) is hard, so just let's stay who we are and do nothing. Overcome one small thing and cheer, because victory's been achieved - yet not the victory which's been the goal for the whole time. You're just convincing yourself - and also trying to convince us in order to gain some back-up - that not improving is fine. And it is, if that's what you want - but bear in mind that's the way to the land of mediocre results in life.

GC is a place for beginners, intermediates and pros - so pro stuff will be unnatural if you're not a pro etc. The things you mention aren't bad per se, but they certainly affect your outcome in different social situations. Everything is good in different places in life and if you want to get maximum results, you should know where and when you can do different things.

BTW, all the things you mention haven't helped me with girls - I've been a devoted reader and man of a variety of passions my whole life, exercising is once again an important part of my schedule, most of the time I have plenty of good sleep (except of some very intense work periods) and a balanced diet, the only difference being I don't mediate. I more or less know what my problems with girls are and this stuff isn't helpful per se. Yes, my life in these aspects is good - but that doesn't mean I can get laid any time, any where with hot chicks. I guess it's because if I can't back my good, normal state with a skill needed to do something - be it picking up a girl like a pro, cooking something fancy and new to me, repairing something broken which I don't know how to repair - then just being happy, relaxed and in good shape won't help in any way.

If we weren't discussing pick up, but something different, then would you recommend the some "be yourself and be happy" stuff? Would "just-be-yourself" make a good diplomat, businessman, sales person, scientist, public speaker, sportsman or artist? Just eliminate one or two flaws and instantly become top notch pro? I highly doubt it.

Of course, you don't need much to do good in many different aspects of life - but being very good or exceptional takes way more than that. Being yourself (therefore, "not fake") is basically like being a plant. All things you have to learn are unnatural at first, because you don't know them. Does it mean that learning how to write, read, do some math or anything else is useless, because you can do well without that and just cancel anxiety/lack of confidence/whatever else and everything will be fine?

- J.

P.S. If you truly believe that just being happy, confident in yourself and being genuine about who you are without changing anything for the better is enough to get anything you want out of life, then here you have a great role model: http://my.fakingnews.firstpost.com/files/2014/08/SheldonCooper_BG.jpg.

P.S.2 My post is intended to make you and others get better, not to discourage anybody.

 

[Smith]

Dlyweed,

Imaging a guy who's terrible with girls, he's probably so nervous around them that he doesn't know what to say. He's filled with self doubt so his brain scrambles to find ways to be cool. You could give that guy directions on what to say and how to act, but he'll just be covering up whats really underneath. He won't actually be happy. And even if he succeeds he'll feel like a fake.

Now tell that guy to do everything possible to get rid of his negative emotions so he can feel good. Have him meditate everyday, eat healthy, exercise, read good books, face his fears in a genuine authentic way. He'll start getting present to the moment and just being how he is. If people don't like him, thats okay, if people do like him, thats okay also. He just lives his life how he wants to. He talks about the things that HE wants to talk about, acts how HE wants to act. Instead of doing what he thinks he should do. This will give him real inner confidence where he knows that the people that like him, really like him for who he is. He'll become better at controlling his emotions so that nothing and nobody can ruin his mood.

The advice on this site actually made me worse with women. On dates i was even more nervous because i was in my head trying to bring up topics and conversations that were recommended to me by this site . I was trying to frame myself in a sexual way and throw in chase frames. It all felt so unnatural and stressed me out even more. You could argue that if you do them enough times then you wont be nervous about them anymore but you don't even need that in the first place. Girls will want to sleep with cool guys who are fun, they can tell which guys have value (positive emotions(lack of neediness)).

You just described what I went through from the beginning....I had no reference experience on what a good conversation is with women, except the examples on GC, and I tried so hard to copy that but it always seemed somewhat "forced" even to a social newbie like me. Then after going on lots of dates like that, I started following RSD Tyler's videos, which mainly focus on the "inner game" and tell you to "be your best self" and be present in the moment. When you combine the two together, everything seems to make more sense. What this site got me to do was to motivate me to actually go out and gave me some stuff to play with. If I was given the advice to be yourself and talk about whatever you want, I would have no idea where to start!

I was trying to frame myself in a sexual way and throw in chase frames. It all felt so unnatural and stressed me out even more. You could argue that if you do them enough times then you wont be nervous about them anymore but you don't even need that in the first place. Girls will want to sleep with cool guys who are fun, they can tell which guys have value (positive emotions(lack of neediness)).

I think this will depends on how you were brought up as a child. The thing is some of us grew up in a environment where we were taught it's not "right" to show your sexual intent to a woman or you need to treat girls "nicely and platonically" to "win their hearts". When you've been conditioned this way for years, you NEED practice to say sexual things until you become ok with your own sexuality. Like Ray mentioned, were there situations when you wanted to say some outright sexual stuff, but you filtered yourself because you thought it might "offend" the girl?
On the other hand, if you were somewhat experienced with girls, sexual frames and chase frames are probably stuff you're unconsciously doing. So all this pick up stuff breaking down everything can hurt you more than it helps, because now instead of being free flowing, you're more conscious and in your head about trying to make it "perfect". The solution here...Find the middle ground. Use the resources on this website to solve your sticking point. You already have your own style.

 

[Dylweed]

Better than "how's your research? who's your supervisor?" etc. This time, I got a response, I perhaps should have followed up my icebreaker a bit more aggressively, but hey.

are you saying that those things were running through your head? If so, that shows that youre nervous and trying to project an image. You want something from the girl.

What im suggesting is get in the moment and start having fun. All it takes for attraction is for you to care less than the girl. If you care less than the girl, you would never ask those stupid questions, unless you really were genuinely curious about that. Have fun in your reality and people will join in.

For example at work there was a cute girl walking behind me outside one day, i never spoke to her, i thought she looked young, i was curious, i was also in a good mood, next thing you know i asked her, "how old are you?" then i immediately realized this was a sort of an odd thing to ask a stranger so i said i mentioned that. I thought the whole thing was funny. And because of that she was interested in the conversation as well and it was a fun conversation. I was in the moment and acted congruent to myself and also had fun. Emotions are mirrored so she had fun too. I didn't want anything from her, just had fun expressing myself.

A different situation at work, i was in the breakroom looking at the junkfood snacks which i never eat. I bought a twix and opened it and saw there were 2 bars, I thought that was too much sugar for me since i never eat that stuff, then a cute girl walked right past me, i got excited because she was cute and i asked her if she like twix, she blushed and said yeah. I was like really? She said yeah! I was like cool you want one, and she said yeah, then i joked to the ugly girl who was sitting near us, "sorry i didn't offer it to you, you guys can split it". And again, i found this whole situation funny, i wasn't trying to project some image, i was just expressing myself. The next time i saw that cute girl i said hi and then she asked me my name. We had a normal conversation but i was having fun with it so she was too. Teasing and flirty eye contact was happening naturally because i felt good in the moment. I ended up running into her a few more times and eventually asked her to hang out in the middle of a fun conversation (Advice i learned here on GC). She agreed, i got the number and teased her to get back to work.

She then showed up at my place for a walk, we walked around, went back watched a movie, made out a few times, i could tell she wouldn't wanna fuck that night cuz she always pulled away after a little bit. At one point she got up from the couch to get some more water and i was staring at her ass, she said "don't look at my ass!" i was unapologetic about it and said it looked good and told her not to wear pants like that. Naturally giving less of a fuck then her while also naturally going for what i want and being unapologetic about it. We fucked the next time she came over. I never once said anything because i thought i should, it was always for the fun of it.

She told me later that the second i asked her about the twix that she thought i was out of her league. Its because i said it from a good place of fun. She was instantly attracted and no chase frame was needed, no deep dive, no fake sexy smile or body language. All the body language was taken care of because i was feeling good.

Meditation really helps put you in the moment and you become your fun unfiltered self. I'll give it credit for a lot of my success. It makes you literally not have to think, you can just stay focused on what is in front of you and you stay happy by default. It strengthens your frame because you become less reactive to everything. You wont even notice that girls are shit testing you.

Youre saying that you now naturally say chase frames because youve practiced them, well thats awesome man. If you have fun with them great. That doesn't seem fake anymore, you've made it your new personality. This whole subject is kind of wishy washy. I'm sure theres still plenty of things i read about game from this site and others that i do now unconsiously. But the most important thing of all, is to feel good and everything else doesn't really matter.

 

[Dylweed]

Think of it this way, men and women are naturally attracted to each other. It's been this way forever. The only reason men wouldn't get laid is because of fear. This kind of fear is unconscious, it's your ego. It's fear that exists as a thought in your mind about the past or future. When you get out of the past or future and into the present moment, you won't have that fear and you will know what to do because you are a man and men want to fuck and they will figure out a way to make it happen as long as they aren't all up in their heads. No technique is needed.

 

[Dylweed]

I'm reading my post again right now and now im kinda high lol and im seeing form a new perspective lol im guessing this whole thread comes off as annoying from me because it sounds like i have some point to prove, i was trying to be right and make gc wrong.

I shouldn't care what people do with thier lives and how they want to try and improve their dating skills. It wont effect my life at all.

There's so many different strategies to get good with women its crazy. All different people have different advice.

It all comes down to opinion and it's pretty hard to ccompare results.

I think deep down though for me it felt wrong when i was playing this sexy guy role and now when i fully express my natural self i dont feel bad about it and i love my uniqueness.

Thats just my own personal experience. I guess its just cool to let some people know because when i first found this site i thought it was so cool and never thought there could be other strategies to get there that i personally would like even better. Just throwing it out there, basically do what you want lol

 

[Chase]

Dylweed-

Go to this article and skip down to the “Talkative” type:

3 Flavors of Sexy: Brooding, Smooth, and Talkative Vibes

If you’re the talkative type (and it sounds like you are), you’re part of a small-but-fortunate contingent of men for whom conversation is easy, natural, and intuitive, and you actually typically don’t need help figuring out what to say, when to say it, etc. In that case I’d agree with you – trying to hold your tongue isn’t playing to your strengths, and my apologies if we led you on an adventure that didn’t pay off.

I won’t repeat why the “Just be yourself!” and other similar advice (like “just don’t be needy and you’ll be fine”) you’re saying is all men need to succeed isn’t effective for anyone who isn’t already broken through or close to it – I’ve covered that in-depth already here: Just Be Yourself: The Worst Dating Advice Known to Man. “Just be yourself” “Just be confident” “Just don’t be needy” is great advice if you already are those things or are close to it, but if you are, a site like GirlsChase.com is redundant for you (unless you’re just focused on rounding out the aspects of your game you’re weak at instead of trying to add in everything here wholesale).

Anyway, sorry you found this place not helpful, but it sounds like you’re doing awesome on your own now – props, and be well.

Chase

 

[Dylweed]

Dylweed-

Go to this article and skip down to the “Talkative” type:

3 Flavors of Sexy: Brooding, Smooth, and Talkative Vibes

If you’re the talkative type (and it sounds like you are), you’re part of a small-but-fortunate contingent of men for whom conversation is easy, natural, and intuitive, and you actually typically don’t need help figuring out what to say, when to say it, etc. In that case I’d agree with you – trying to hold your tongue isn’t playing to your strengths, and my apologies if we led you on an adventure that didn’t pay off.

I won’t repeat why the “Just be yourself!” and other similar advice (like “just don’t be needy and you’ll be fine”) you’re saying is all men need to succeed isn’t effective for anyone who isn’t already broken through or close to it – I’ve covered that in-depth already here: Just Be Yourself: The Worst Dating Advice Known to Man. “Just be yourself” “Just be confident” “Just don’t be needy” is great advice if you already are those things or are close to it, but if you are, a site like GirlsChase.com is redundant for you (unless you’re just focused on rounding out the aspects of your game you’re weak at instead of trying to add in everything here wholesale).

Anyway, sorry you found this place not helpful, but it sounds like you’re doing awesome on your own now – props, and be well.

Chase

Awesome to hear your response, i have always been naturally talkative to girls i was just always afraid to fail so i passed on hot girls in high school who wanted to date me, i was also terribly afraid to kiss a girl for the first time. So I can see how i might have had a much better backround coming to this than other guys.

Also i can't say i didn't learn anything here, the advice on the simple casual dates with quick escalation is gold. I would have never figured that out on my own. Also theres other things i read here back in the day that im sure i still use. So thank you very much. Thanks for the props man youre fucking cool

 

[Idle Billy]

In this case I think Avril Lavigne could teach us more than any PUA. Even Chase almighty agrees we should have a listen to the lyrics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQXfexNVPSs

I'm sure that most of us have seen the movie 'Hitch' at some point, and after all this time we should remember what the conclusion of the movie thought us.