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Howell

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"Morning Howell! I don't see it working out long term, and that is what I'm looking for. I think you are a stellar fellow and enjoyed talking with you though! Take care!"

This may sound like the death-toll of a budding relationship, but in reality, it is an invitation. An invitation to persist.

Howell: "I already bought the ring though! Anyway, let's grab a drink or bite soon, relinquishing all our preconceived notions and expectations. I have some time free over the weekend, if that works for you. Don't worry... I'll try and hold off proposing till there's good lighting for selfies ;)"

Roya: "It's good to laugh at self. Perhaps thur or fri."

Howell: "Sure, we could probably make something work Friday night. 8:30/9ish work for you?

PS I'm gonna be biking around Friday evening too, so if you want to get together a bit eariler you can join me for a ride instead :)"

Roya: "I was going to say a drink at 7ish (early night due to an early morning Saturday). Let me know when/where you are biking and we'll see what happens."

... <a few more texts arranging logistics>...

Roya: "Sounds good"

Howell: "Cool beans -- see you at 8 !"

We'd decided to meet up at a casual lounge at a place in city center.

I know this girl's a little reticent, so I devise a plan. I'm going to pull her back to her place, as I know she lives by herself and near the lounge.

I had seeded a movie into the conversation when we first met, and I figured I'd use that, and couple it with the appeal of free booze.

I head out at 7:20 and swing by the liqueur store, where I buy a bottle of wine.

After that, I go to a bar where my friend is working and shoot the shit with him for a bit. They just got a box of wine behind the bar and he gave me some to sample. For cheap boxed wine it wasn't actually that bad.

At 7:55 we shake hands and I head off to the lounge.

I get there first and order a drink. There're very few people in there, which is good. I go take the cushiony nook up by the front window and put my feet up.

Shortly after, she enters.

Conversation starts out slow, with her telling me how she's feeling grateful for where she's at in life. She gets a margarita.

Then we move it in to topics about our adventures, and then about her family.

We chat for about 45 minutes, with the most useful line of conversation being me telling her a story about a girl who chased me and treated me like I was royalty, and disrespected her friends to impress me, who I then left for being so uncool. This made her start chasing me more.

We also had fun talking about how she wants to be more social, and is trying to put herself in more unfamiliar social situations to improve.

Well, after 45 minutes, I finish my drink and decide it's time to go. I tell her I have a bottle of wine, so we can go drink that and save ourselves some money. She avoids the issue.

After a bit I bring up the movie and address heading out again, and make it casual, giving her another option: "We can either go with the wine, or we can swing by <this bar nearby>."

She still avoids the issue, saying "Idk, I have to go to the bathroom" or something like that.

I'm not too concerned, because if she doesn't want to go to her place I still have other options for a great night, regardless, lined up.

She gets back, and I say "Let's get out of here."

We exit the lounge and start walking.

"Where are we going?" she asks.

"I'm thinking we open that bottle. It'll be fun."

"Okay."

"I think you're really going to like this movie, it's..."

We walk to my car, and we drive the short distance to her place.

There are some kittens wandering around, and when I take my shoes off they climb inside them. She pours drinks while I set up my computer for the movie.

Light talking, and then we get situated.

We snuggle up against each other on the couch.

This movie is set up so there are transition points where it's just music and scene setting, so on one of the early transition points I put my wine down, grab her wine and put it down too, then grab her chin and kiss her.

Shortly after she is completely naked and blowing me.

(I'm wearing a onesie as an undergarment btw, and she found this most amusing. I just unbuttoned the front of it while she went to town -- a most convenient article of clothing, I have to say)

When I go to grab a condom she says "no sex."

I eat her out for a bit instead, and make her orgasm that way, and then while I'm doing that I reach into my pants on the floor, grab a condom, open it up, and slip it on, all one handed, then transitioned to fucking her, all in under 4 seconds. I was pretty impressed with myself, and apparently so was she -- or maybe she was just super turned on at this point, cuz from then on I could pretty much do whatever I wanted with her.

Eventually we take a break (after multiple orgasms for her already) and go back to the movie. Then, before I leave , we go at it another round.

===

Let this story be an reminder to you: don't take no for an answer! More often than not they really are just asking for you to make the decision for them.

Keep on persisting,
Howell
 
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Bboy100

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while I'm doing that I reach into my pants on the floor, grab a condom, open it up, and slip it on, all one handed
I feel like this was most important. If you hadn't pulled this off and had instead stopped to open and put on a condom, she might have gone back into logical thinking and put up more resistance. How did you open it with one hand? lol.
 

ray_zorse

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Same thought here! Def sth to practice up hehe. Nice one man.
Ray
 

Howell

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Bboy100 said:
while I'm doing that I reach into my pants on the floor, grab a condom, open it up, and slip it on, all one handed
I feel like this was most important. If you hadn't pulled this off and had instead stopped to open and put on a condom, she might have gone back into logical thinking and put up more resistance. How did you open it with one hand? lol.

I cheated in this case (it was already partially open), but behold! there apparently is such a thing as a one handed condom wrapper: https://vimeo.com/47322513. How convenient. I'm wondering which normal brand of condom is the easiest to open now though. Hmm, an experiment might be in order...

Howell
 

Chase

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Fantastic save here, Howell:

Howell said:
"Morning Howell! I don't see it working out long term, and that is what I'm looking for. I think you are a stellar fellow and enjoyed talking with you though! Take care!"

This may sound like the death-toll of a budding relationship, but in reality, it is an invitation. An invitation to persist.

Howell: "I already bought the ring though! Anyway, let's grab a drink or bite soon, relinquishing all our preconceived notions and expectations. I have some time free over the weekend, if that works for you. Don't worry... I'll try and hold off proposing till there's good lighting for selfies ;)"

More excellent leading through uncertain / mixed / non-existent signals:

Howell said:
Well, after 45 minutes, I finish my drink and decide it's time to go. I tell her I have a bottle of wine, so we can go drink that and save ourselves some money. She avoids the issue.

After a bit I bring up the movie and address heading out again, and make it casual, giving her another option: "We can either go with the wine, or we can swing by <this bar nearby>."

She still avoids the issue, saying "Idk, I have to go to the bathroom" or something like that.

I'm not too concerned, because if she doesn't want to go to her place I still have other options for a great night, regardless, lined up.

She gets back, and I say "Let's get out of here."

We exit the lounge and start walking.

"Where are we going?" she asks.

"I'm thinking we open that bottle. It'll be fun."

"Okay."

"I think you're really going to like this movie, it's..."

We walk to my car, and we drive the short distance to her place.

And again:

Howell said:
When I go to grab a condom she says "no sex."

I eat her out for a bit instead, and make her orgasm that way, and then while I'm doing that I reach into my pants on the floor, grab a condom, open it up, and slip it on, all one handed, then transitioned to fucking her, all in under 4 seconds. I was pretty impressed with myself, and apparently so was she -- or maybe she was just super turned on at this point, cuz from then on I could pretty much do whatever I wanted with her.

This report is a classic example of leading and persisting in the face of uncertainty.

Any newer guys tuning in, if you can adopt the mentality Howell's got here with every girl you chat with seriously, this is one of the ways you add a great deal of consistency to your game - instead of waiting for a girl you hit it off with and everything just magically falls into place, you just make stuff fall into place.

Nicely done, Howell!

Chase
 

Motiv

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Thank you for this report Howell. I am really starting to get this stuff for once: their coy resistance, the need for our steady persistence—a necessary test of our strength. Women truly crave masculine leadership (ideally in a playful, light-hearted manner—exactly as you do), and this report exemplifies everything: her ambivalence, your direction.

Thank you!

-M
 
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