Either you lead her emotions, or she leads yours

[Bismarck]

Whatup gents.

Reading ThePicker's thread just now where he asks about kissing on first date and such got me thinking...

I remember 2 years ago I smashed this young broad with a banging body and okay face (not ugly but not pretty either), somewhere between 7 and 8 overall purely based on looks, but it took 3 dates.

Thinking back to then, yes, I was in scarcity since I was still working on my thesis and so wasn't focusing on game, which means I wasn't spinning plates.

But even keeping that in mind, I just had this eureka moment, because looking back I started wanting her more than she wanted me, because I had invested more, by us doing 3 dates before smash (and only after I basically cooked a meal for her back at mine on 3rd).

If you don't lead her emotions/state on the first date and instead focus on "showing yourself" to her (as if she cares), then she will lead your emotions by making you go through the usual average guy "3-date or more to sex" funnel.

It's much tougher to have the upper hand in a relationship with a girl when she makes you wait 3 dates for it, as we tend to value more what requires more effort to obtain (human nature).


Hit it with comments and questions,

/Bizz

PS
That said, of course you can also adopt pureevil's 3-dates-to-sex process consciously, but there you are still leading her state, simply making her wait for it, she isn't making YOU wait for it.

 

[dingdong]

Yes it's very true. You start playing her game. I would like some elaboration because you say something very interesting.

If you don't lead her emotions/state on the first date and instead focus on "showing yourself" to her (as if she cares), then she will lead your emotions by making you go through the usual average guy "3-date or more to sex" funnel.

What do you mean about "Showing yourself"? Because i will share information about myself like she might ask about what i do for work, in my free time etc but i don't brag about this, i only do it to make me seem more human and make her more comfortable. Also i let her ask about these type of superficial personal information questions because she will ask what she want to know.
I will also reveal things or traits about myself that are condusive to seduction I.E. props at my place or that im non-judgemental, sexual prizing myself, talk about my spirituality etc.

What i do is that we will get comfortable with eachother with some back and forth and then i will ask her what she likes in a guy and she will say it and then usually she asks back "what do you like about a girl" and i say i like open-minded, liberated and submissive girls and then lead into all the sex talk and sexual framing and if she's a very sexual girl herself we will stay on that topic for long and if she's more shy about it i will just change subjects, but the frame is still set...
^how i run my dates now

 

[Bismarck]

Yo Phoenix,

Thanks for replying.

What I meant was that guys (myself included) get caught up thinking they have to "show their personality" to the girl when their focus should be on getting inside her mind and leading her state and emotions.

Nothing revolutionary here; this has already been dissected by Bacc, Gun, and others.

Girls, especially the hotter fare, will give you basically 1 date to seduce them. If you don't make it happen, you go from AF to BB. From then on she will start using you for money and resources rather than sexual adventure. UNLESS yours is a 3-date frame. As in, where you DON'T try to fuck her on first date.

As pureevil used to say, "fuck, then connect." Building rapport, comfort, etc. can be beneficial in limited doses but the most important thing in those early moments is setting the right frames and having a clean meet-to-lay process you follow with smooth transitions that avoid ASD and LMR.

Once you've banged her you can have as many platonic conversations about whatever with her as you want because the way to her heart is now already open, the door is ajar since you've already jizzed inside her.