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End of my pick up career? I can't let pickup go for one girl

Poli

Space Monkey
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I want to say first say that pick up is one of the things that gets me up in the morning. I was stubborn in staring this because of my indoctrinated religious background mind. My ego would not let me approach any women saying "you're the man why should you approach her?, society tells her women are equal so she should approach you". To an extent I still have a bit of this ego that keeps me in check in not investing much with girls. And to be up front, yes we are equal but our roles are not. Anyways my point here is that pick up is now a vital component in my life that I use in my self development. However I have to say this girl is my type and I think I would benefit from a relationship from this girl, But after today my attraction towards her has kinda dropped.

I met this girl at one of the home shows i work at. we had a exceptional first impression. I could see attraction oozing out of her, she was in clear pursuit. If we weren't working I would no doubt have pulled her right then and there. At this point you may be thinking 'did you pull her after work?', here's the thing the day i worked this home show just so happens to be the last day of the home show and she lives nearly three hours away. I tell her to say 10 minutes after work so we can hang out a bit, she says its her parents anniversary(she was there with her mom so I didn't really push for her to stay), so I just grab her number. To be honestly I didn't see this going anywhere but Im still an intermediate/journeyman to pick up so ill take all the exp I can get.


I called her the next day, went well she was surprised I actually called and it was great. we talk the next few days and talk about doing things together(again she is pursuing), I tell her I might come there to meet her friday(this was monday). Thursday comes around and I tell her Im coming to meet her(keep in mind this is less than a week we saw each other so I'm moving relatively fast), she is excited it seems. Friday morning comes 2:30ish am I get a text saying she finally got home after hanging with friends( i think somethings fishy, why am I getting this text and just dont respond). 7:30ish I get another text from her saying a unexpected friend returned from duty and will be here until tuesday which is five days later. I find this to be hard to believe so I wait a couple hours and send a text saying "have fun with your friend, maybe we'll be more organized next week maybe not, we'll see". I wait about a week then I call her, she picks up we have a decent conversation she apologized for last week( I realize something is up but I keep my cool.

I call her a lot less and less, every few days where as before this happens we talked every day pretty much and I don't even mention visiting her. After a few of these interactions she says she might come to my city for her birthday, (I understand this is her way for asking if I'll visit her or if we'll meet) but I just play it cool saying its up to you if you want to come.

Finally after about a month, I'm about to make another move after leaving her kinda in the dog house because I knew something is up. I call her, she text me saying she's in class... then she says she want to tell me something but doesn't know how, I say I hope its not what I think it is but there's some things I want to tell you too. She says what I think it is... I say "you don't want to talk anymore?, idk but im fearing the worst". She says of course not and want to continue talking to me. She then send me a book like text basically saying her ex who dumped her got back into her life after she met me(hence the couple days she had that unexpected friend pop up into her life, so I was right all along) now she wants to be good friends. She also says(or implied) she prefers talking to me and has more in common with me. I tell her I was just about to call her because I wanted to make the drive to see her, she says I still should. I also play it really cool and say I'm not upset at all because we've only had one good interruption and thanked her for telling me the truth because I was expecting something up but didn't want to say anything and that I'm talking to some girls too anyways.

I actually got a bit of relief knowing I was right from the start, I must say it does feel nice being right and getting the truth. Anyways She did invite me to hangout with her friend and her friends bf(keep in mind her ex is 14 hours away both ways and I'm 4 hours away both ways. I have a couple scenarios I'm thinking of....
1) I'm thinking shoe's hoping I'll take her invitation so her friend and her friends bf will help her decide which guys she should go with.
2) She's hoping I will be the nice guy and wait for her, I don't wait so this is definitely not what I will do.
3) She's want me to make her submit and let her know I'm the clear winner(on the phone she said she doesn't know what she wants and told me what she should do, of course I played it cool saying I know what she wants but I'm not going to influence her decision). I"m leaning towards this option
4) I tell her in a suave and smooth way it's me or him and I won't wait around as your friend. I like this option too
5) Take her up on that invitation and pick up a chick in front of them and go away with the chick end of out interaction.
6) Completely walk away from this situation because my attraction and interest for this girl dropped not to zero but it has dropped nonetheless.

Although my attraction and interest has dropped after this situation because I don't "fight" over girls it goes against one of my rules as setting myself up as the prize, I'm up for learning new things including dealing with this kind of situation. What do you guys think of this situation and what is the best option?
 
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Inbocca

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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You're right in not fighting for her. She needs to work out her dilemmas on her own.

Clearly she's into you, so as far as building attraction and making her chase, sounds like you did good.

Maybe some combination of the ideas you've suggested. Let on that you know what she wants (you), make it very clear you're not going to wait around or get friend zoned, and if she chooses him over you then walk away.

It doesn't sound like you're giving up on pickup, so the title might be misleading. But if you're considering it, remember what you said in your first sentence. This will help you meet more girls like her, which makes it even easier to walk away when stuff like this happens.

Best of luck.
 

Poli

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Inbocca said:
You're right in not fighting for her. She needs to work out her dilemmas on her own.

Yes I think it sets a bad frame from the start even if I win the relationship she will have more power over me since I would be the one chasing her.

Inbocca said:
She's into you, so as far as building attraction and making her chase, sounds like you did good.

Yes I've just not taken much action and haven't met her after our first interaction so part of me is thinking she is making a desperate move as a cry for me to make a actual move on her and pay her more attention.

Inbocca said:
Maybe some combination of the ideas you've suggested. Let on that you know what she wants (you), make it very clear you're not going to wait around or get friend zoned, and if she chooses him over you then walk away.

I'm thinking I should do what you said make it clear she needs to decide. I could easily make her choose me dominantly and effectively, but this will involve some effort(going against the law of least effort), and it sets the frame that I'm chasing her as the prize therefore giving her future leverage over me(she may say I forced her to decide). Anyways I'm liking the option of telling her in a smooth suave way I wont wait and she needs to get her act together and a make decision and let her know I'm walking away if she doesn't pick me, and let her know If she picks me I will reward her with a relationship(like I said my attraction and interest has kinda dropped after this so I'm not very certain this will be a beneficial relationship. Part of me wants to get into this relationship just for the exp I'll get but would be morally and ethically hurting this girl in the long run by just strictly getting into this relationship for exp and not because I care about her much. I know she just put herself in a ad place getting back with her ex which is worse than how I would treat her, but I also really want to just walk out and let her make a major mistake by letting a self improving dominate and smooth guy walk out of her life for her ex(I get a sadistic good feeling knowing she will be haunted by this bad decision for the rest of her life). Ps. I know I'm kinda evil for that last thing but I can't help it :)

Inbocca said:
It doesn't sound like you're giving up on pickup, so the title might be misleading. But if you're considering it, remember what you said in your first sentence. This will help you meet more girls like her, which makes it even easier to walk away when stuff like this happens.

I would like to apologize for the misleading tittle. However I got very emotional over this girl and at one point thinking I would have to end pick up because she hit all of my points to get into a relationship. Of course I didn't show her but inside of me I was feeling some major emotions toward this girl.

Inbocca said:
Best of luck.

Much appreciate your insight and advice.
 

Fuck This

Cro-Magnon Man
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Poli said:
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Finally after about a month, I'm about to make another move after leaving her kinda in the dog house because I knew something is up. I call her, she text me saying she's in class... then she says she want to tell me something but doesn't know how, I say I hope its not what I think it is but there's some things I want to tell you too. She says what I think it is... I say "you don't want to talk anymore?, idk but im fearing the worst". She says of course not and want to continue talking to me. She then send me a book like text basically saying her ex who dumped her got back into her life after she met me(hence the couple days she had that unexpected friend pop up into her life, so I was right all along) now she wants to be good friends. She also says(or implied) she prefers talking to me and has more in common with me. I tell her I was just about to call her because I wanted to make the drive to see her, she says I still should. I also play it really cool and say I'm not upset at all because we've only had one good interruption and thanked her for telling me the truth because I was expecting something up but didn't want to say anything and that I'm talking to some girls too anyways.

I actually got a bit of relief knowing I was right from the start, I must say it does feel nice being right and getting the truth. Anyways She did invite me to hangout with her friend and her friends bf(keep in mind her ex is 14 hours away both ways and I'm 4 hours away both ways. I have a couple scenarios I'm thinking of....
1) I'm thinking shoe's hoping I'll take her invitation so her friend and her friends bf will help her decide which guys she should go with.
2) She's hoping I will be the nice guy and wait for her, I don't wait so this is definitely not what I will do.
3) She's want me to make her submit and let her know I'm the clear winner(on the phone she said she doesn't know what she wants and told me what she should do, of course I played it cool saying I know what she wants but I'm not going to influence her decision). I"m leaning towards this option
4) I tell her in a suave and smooth way it's me or him and I won't wait around as your friend. I like this option too
5) Take her up on that invitation and pick up a chick in front of them and go away with the chick end of out interaction.
6) Completely walk away from this situation because my attraction and interest for this girl dropped not to zero but it has dropped nonetheless.

Although my attraction and interest has dropped after this situation because I don't "fight" over girls it goes against one of my rules as setting myself up as the prize, I'm up for learning new things including dealing with this kind of situation. What do you guys think of this situation and what is the best option?

My notes on the bolded parts

In that month how many other women have you met?

If you are Hanging out with her friend you ain't getting laid....

She doesn't choose....you do.

I think of theline from Bull Durham "After 12 years in the minors, I don't try out...."

My approach to her is, :"hey I'm sorry we never got a chance to connect. If I am in your neighborhood one of these days I'd love to give you a call and spend the day with you, and vice versa, if you come to my area, I'd love to catch up and spend some time with you."

So far you are the only one investing any effort...be the prize and let her come after you. You can be (and have made it ) clear you are interested and open to meeting. But no woman is worth a 4 hour trip that has not even gotten your dick wet....
 
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