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Escaping Hierarchy Mentality

Just_Dave

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Just Dave here,

An interesting theme has come up time to time in Chase's blog post lately about hierarchies, and the overall goal is to avoid it. People always want to label or classify you in some kind of way. You get stuck and trapped and began feeling a different person. People in hierarchies feel as though they have the right to tell you who you are. That's stupid, you have to control your own life and destiny by:
1. Knowing what you want out of life
----Have goals and make ways of obtaining them.
----Learn and research things you want, I wanted to get better with women so I implemented what was on the blog and practiced day and night.
----Find mentors and build a team around yourself
2. Not being afraid of failure
----Don't make excuses, be driven and learn from each and every situation
----Own the mistake and move on and don't let it eat you up inside
----Learn from each and every opportunity
3. Think outside the box
----Become an innovator, build on other people's ideas but give credit where credit is do
----Some of the best ideas come from people who were slightly crazy
----Be a leader

The problem with hierarchies is they only matter to people who are in them. People get frustrated when they can't climb any higher than their status, and they become bitter and stuck. They want it to be a "us vs. them" mentality. I don't even know who "them" is, people are people. You can't control people and there's no reason for them to control you. You'll be way happier if you let that go over your head by:

1. Not making a big deal over it
----Your life was fine before without it and you don't need it now.
----Don't let people or an organization define you
2. Not forcing a fit
----Opportunity cost, is this going to impact my chances at getting girls and my other hobbies.
----Somethings just aren't meant for everything
3. Or by bringing people down
----Be secure in who you are, women find confidence very sexy and appealing. People respect the leader who makes them feel loved and understood
----Don't try and tool people, you come off looking like an asshole.
----Don't fight over things that don't matter! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Agree to disagree.


Answer:
Treat everyone like they're on your level! Don't show favoritism, people catch unto this very quick. People and adjust quickly help people out when you can, don't write people off. You don't want things to come back and haunt you. Decide for yourself who you really are, and live your life the way that you want it. I encourage people to put their all and everything that they do, the more you put in the more you get out. Don't try and label people yourself, instead let them tell you what they are. Every person is different and we all have very different ideas and opinions.

Take care,

Just Dave
 

Lanoa

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Very good points Dave, I suffered from this problem for a long time. I think it is very important to keep on lookout for an illusion of escaping the hierarchy. What I mean by that is what I had been doing, that is working on myself 'to show them', 'make them see who's the boss', etc. Technically, I did not spend much time with the people I was doing this against and cut my ties with them, but mentally, I was still there, in the hierarchy, not changing for MYSELF, but still because of THEM, to get higher so they can't touch me. Now that I look at it, it easy to slip into this behavior and it does no good to yourself or the others.
 

Chicothat

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Just_Dave said:
Just Dave here,

An interesting theme has come up time to time in Chase's blog post lately about hierarchies, and the overall goal is to avoid it. People always want to label or classify you in some kind of way. You get stuck and trapped and began feeling a different person. People in hierarchies feel as though they have the right to tell you who you are. That's stupid, you have to control your own life and destiny by:
1. Knowing what you want out of life
----Have goals and make ways of obtaining them.
----Learn and research things you want, I wanted to get better with women so I implemented what was on the blog and practiced day and night.
----Find mentors and build a team around yourself
2. Not being afraid of failure
----Don't make excuses, be driven and learn from each and every situation
----Own the mistake and move on and don't let it eat you up inside
----Learn from each and every opportunity
3. Think outside the box
----Become an innovator, build on other people's ideas but give credit where credit is do
----Some of the best ideas come from people who were slightly crazy
----Be a leader

The problem with hierarchies is they only matter to people who are in them. People get frustrated when they can't climb any higher than their status, and they become bitter and stuck. They want it to be a "us vs. them" mentality. I don't even know who "them" is, people are people. You can't control people and there's no reason for them to control you. You'll be way happier if you let that go over your head by:

1. Not making a big deal over it
----Your life was fine before without it and you don't need it now.
----Don't let people or an organization define you
2. Not forcing a fit
----Opportunity cost, is this going to impact my chances at getting girls and my other hobbies.
----Somethings just aren't meant for everything
3. Or by bringing people down
----Be secure in who you are, women find confidence very sexy and appealing. People respect the leader who makes them feel loved and understood
----Don't try and tool people, you come off looking like an asshole.
----Don't fight over things that don't matter! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Agree to disagree.


Answer:
Treat everyone like they're on your level! Don't show favoritism, people catch unto this very quick. People and adjust quickly help people out when you can, don't write people off. You don't want things to come back and haunt you. Decide for yourself who you really are, and live your life the way that you want it. I encourage people to put their all and everything that they do, the more you put in the more you get out. Don't try and label people yourself, instead let them tell you what they are. Every person is different and we all have very different ideas and opinions.

Take care,

Just Dave
Lanoa said:
Very good points Dave, I suffered from this problem for a long time. I think it is very important to keep on lookout for an illusion of escaping the hierarchy. What I mean by that is what I had been doing, that is working on myself 'to show them', 'make them see who's the boss', etc. Technically, I did not spend much time with the people I was doing this against and cut my ties with them, but mentally, I was still there, in the hierarchy, not changing for MYSELF, but still because of THEM, to get higher so they can't touch me. Now that I look at it, it easy to slip into this behavior and it does no good to yourself or the others.


YOU CAN ALSO NOT COMPARE YOURSELF WITH ANYBODY OR COMPARE THINGS WITH A PERCEIVED "VALUE" CALLED VALUE JUDGING THAT LOWERS YOUR SELF ESTEEM AND MOST OF THEM ARE THROUGH MEDIA, TO GET YOU TO BUY FLASHY CARS AND NEW THINGS, BUT THATS A THATS A DIFFERENT TOPIC.

So accept who you are and dont compare your results or value judge yourself.
 
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Jay

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Just_Dave said:
Answer:
Treat everyone like they're on your level!

Absolutely right. Back in high school, the quintessential social hierarchy battlefield, I played the shallow game like everyone else (I was very funny and had good drug connections through friends made early on (not a point of pride for me, and a part of my life that is over), so I didn't have much trouble being "cool" in high school, though once you're there, staying there involved so much shit talking and bullshitting it made me sick), but after awhile I noticed that the by far the most liked, "coolest" guy at our school was liked not because he had beaten and clawed his way to the top, but because he was warm and friendly to everyone. He went to all the huge parties and hooked up with numerous girls, but also would hang out with a girl and her black metal fan friends that he had known since elementary school. He never talked a lot of shit, and I never saw him do something openly cruel to someone (short of one incident, but the girl had it coming, which still doesn't make it ok, but understandable). However, I didn't quite put all of this together until I read one of Chase's articles, forgot which one it was, that mentioned that the people at the top of social circles tend to be like this.

He ended up going to the same college as me, and instead of an acquaintance he's now one of my best friends. I have learned a lot from him as to how to be warmer in general to people, which is something I lacked for a long time. Treating everyone you meet like a friend is really the best way to go.
 
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