Expectations setting - two questions

[quiteastory]

Hey guys, recently I've read this article on expectations setting: https://www.girlschase.com/content/tactics-tuesdays-resetting-early-expectations

It explains well how to have this conversation.

I have 2 additional questions on this:

1. When you should start this conversation? On the 1st meeting? 2nd? Right before having sex or after sex?
2. The 2nd question is related to the 1st one - how to handle girls that are straight forward against causal relationships? How to handle them in terms of managing their expectations without lying to them? Should I be straightforward that I'm looking for something casual?

Thanks guys!

 

[quiteastory]

Bump

 

[Fluxcapacitor]

@quiteastory dude! A lot of this depends on context, if you've met her and you're going for a SNL/SDL bringing this up could block you when you could have just seduced her without any of it. Usually to set the expectations in this manner you need a "relationship" to begin with so you're best seducing her and then walking backwards into a relationship/defining this after.

You should be setting a frame and within this expectations by your behaviour when you're together. Bringing this up verbally borders bringing up the relationship talk and the relationship talk should be brought up by her. The dynamic is she wants you to commit, you're not so sure. You don't want to scare her off looking more interested in commitment than she is. This is brought up casually later.

Typically speaking you need to bed her 3 times for her to be locked in at which point you could bring this up without it being weird.

Your second question depends how honest you want to be... if they've jumped into bed with you and then tell you they want something serious you'll have to address it but you don't have to fall in line. If you like them enough to commit or you want to commit to her as your main but not be locked down you can tell her this. Your frame control needs to be on point and if this is something she doesn't want you've got to be prepared to let her go.

If they're well set against it, you might be able to shift their Overton window (read the article about this) but this is why they should be locked in before addressing this. If she's submitted to you and wants to keep you she'll be more accepting than if she hasn't submitted yet. You can change her perception and have her fall into your frame.

If she brings this up early (first meeting, before you've bedded her) it's frame control. Ignore her frame and set a better one. She's cute and silly and once she's turned on by you will forget about her silly little rules that you need to be her boyfriend first. If she doesn't, you're not compatible and you know not to waste your time outside your cut of point (1,3,5 meetings etc. Whatever you set as your limit to be)