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Bboy100

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Just had a Tinder date today. This girl was actually super cool and super cute. She was kinda weird/dorky, but in a cool way. Not in a socially awkward way at all. She seemed very upbeat and she seemed to have a positive attitude. She says she doesn't like parties. She had clear ambitions, hobbies, dreams and goals in life. The only red flags were that she said she has anxiety issues. Like...she literally has panick attacks.

Anyways, I feel like my fundamentals did all the work this time. Cause she literally started auto-investing HARD from the moment I saw her. I literally probably talked only like, 5% of the time. Halfway through the date, I kissed her. I could have kissed her 10 mins in. I intentionally took that long just to draw it out and build anticipation. We were outside in a local park huddled together. It started to get cold. I planted the seed for a pull. I told her that my house is really shitty atm (true), and it was also obvious that I was really cold cause I was shivering. I kept hinting that I wanted to go to her dorms via statements like:

"Yeah, even though its cold as fuck, I'm down to stay here for as long as we can, cause I def. don't want to go back to my house (I had already described just how horrendous it is to her)."
Eventually, she picked up on it. She asked me to go to the dorms with her. I probably could have just invited myself back to hers. But I feel like its a lot smoother, and a lot more of an investment on her part if she pulls me.
Anyways...we got to the dorms, she started showing me around. After she finished her tour, I started making out with her again. I managed to get her top off with no resistance.

Then...my worse enemy returned...LMR..

I tried to use escalation ladders, but I was a little bit clumsy about it. Didn't work very well. We made out for a while, I tried to put my finger in her pants several times. She didn't allow it...although, looking back on it, she wasn't giving me a hard no. She was literally giggling while she was saying no and pulling away (I hard already gotten my hand in her underwear, but I hadn't actually reached her pussy, and she was pulling her body away from my finger). So I probably should have done a..."mandhandle fingering?" Do you guys recommend this?
Anyways...we eventually heard someone coming into the dorms. She immediately put her bra back on. She changed and we went downstairs to bake cookies as we had originally planned.

I met her suitemates. Kinda just stood there awkwardly. I should've left after the failed escalation. Staying to actually bake cookies was a bad idea. 10-15 mins later, I told her I should head out. I left.

I actually really liked this girl. And depending on how serious (or hopefully lack of seriousness), her anxiety issues are, I could have pictured her as a GF. But being that this is a failed escalation, I feel like my chances of ever seeing her again are slim. This depresses me.

Given that she doesn't reply tomorrow, is there anything I can do to get her back? She's unfortunately not tied to my social circle in any way. So I can't really use social circle tricks to get her back.
 

Bboy100

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Edit: After reading some of the material on this site, I believe I may have been place in the BF zone with this girl. Not sure if this is at all relevant.
 

Seppuku

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Hey BBoy,

Not sure how you escalated. Did you make sure that she was comfortable enough physically before starting? Maybe a pull back then a start over again?

Sounds like the "hear someone coming" gave her the perfect excuse to escape. Maybe you could have kept her with you longer.

Cheers,

Seppuku
 

Bboy100

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Na, it was for real. Some guy who lives in the suite showed up literally like, 5 secs later. Was definitely not an excuse. In hindsight, what I should have done is not even gone to the dorms in the first place. Cause people walk in and out all the time. Plus I had already spent 3 hours with her that day. I move into my new apartment today, so I probably could have invited her for an easy date had I not tried to escalate.

I think this might actually be a good opportunity to use the "failed escalation" portion of the article for second dates on the main website, as I now have a social circle big enough to invite her to a party with a bunch of female friends of mine. Usually I would just NEXT her at this point. But it seems that quality girls are kinda rare at this school. So I feel like this one is worth at least a little bit of extra effort.

As for the escalation...yeah, kinda sloppy. Still working on doing escalation ladders correctly (see Alek's article).
 
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John116

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Bboy100 said:
So I probably should have done a..."mandhandle fingering?" Do you guys recommend this?

Definitely no. Legally speaking, this is actually considered a form of rape in alot of western countries. She might've not minded, or she might've gone to the cops, in which case you would've been screwed.

I would say there was a big problem with the logistics in the report. She had to do her bra up because someone came back to the dorms? Well no wonder she didn't want to do anything further. I'd say she would've gone to bed with you if there was some privacy.
 

Seppuku

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Hey,

If you're moving to your own flat that should facilitate things a lot. Will you do flat sharing? Or alone?

Well I'm sure you know all this already... For me I've learned my lesson. I have lost a lot of girls earlier on, because of poorly planned logistics. For instance taking a girl to a bar late evening when she has to wake up at 5 am the next morning. Or take a girl to a place that I've never seen before. Or dating on her terms. Now, rather than compromising on this, I would rather rearrange a date at a later time. When I meet her, I have the date template and the approximate timing of events in mind. I make sure I see her early enough, and ample time afterwards to pull her home.

Well I hope you can turn this around. Not easy, but not impossible. The way I would do, I would bait her with some text messages and see if she comes back. If she responds, I would not rush in to propose another date but let her wonder a bit. If she doesn't... Move on.

Anyway good luck and let us know if there are any more developments.

Cheers,
Seppuku

PS. Not sure exactly what you meant by manhandle fingering...
 

Bboy100

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Thanks Sep! Yeah, I just moved in yesterday. Gonna spend the day looking around for cool things to do in the area. That way I could maybe even have us walk to my place. It was just unfortunate that I was living in a house with like, 7 roommates and I had no bedroom at the time of the date.

As for texting her, yeah, I already sent her a "had a good time" text. No reply of course. Both DrexelScott's book and Chase's article say to wait at least a week before texting her after failed escalation. So I'm thinking that's what I'll do now. In the meantime, I have three more dates set up. So I'm not too worried about it. ;)

PS. Not sure exactly what you meant by manhandle fingering...
See: https://www.girlschase.com/content/manhandle-kisses It would be the same thing. Except that it would apply to fingering instead of kissing.
 
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