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tvktvk

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Hey guys,

This year has been crazy. It's been an amazing adventure which has brought me more twist and turns than I could have ever imagined. After hundreds of approaches, countless of pulls, tons of LMR and in the end a few lays, my skills as a seducer have grown exponentially and my mind has never been clearer. The mystery of women does not seem so puzzling anymore. The matrix has finally started to slow down, but only now I realize how much more I have to learn.

This LR is one of those things. Fiona was my lay #3 and someone I hoped to convert as a fuckbuddy, but I failed miserably. So even though this was a lay, I still consider this a minor failure as I failed to retain the girl. So I'd really like to get notes from you guys on what I did wrong regarding post sex retention.

This lay was very random. I was on my way home from a Christmas party, but nobody was going out because we all had exams coming up soon. I decided however to stop by my favourite bar Passenger for a few drinks and see how the vibe was. The bouncers know me because I've been there so many times and let me walk right in without standing in line. Sweet.

I felt a bit overdressed, I was wearing my tweed blazer, dress pants, brogue shoes and a white shirt. But at least I looked good. I got a beer, found a seat next to the dancefloor and just soaked in my surroundings with sly smile on my face. After a few minutes, I hear somebody call out my name.

I look to my right and see Fiona walk up to me with a huge grin on her face. We used to work together a couple of years ago when I was working part time at a small burger joint, but she had a boyfriend then. We actually matched on tinder this spring after she became single and we were supposed to meet up in a club back then (I know horrible idea), but she flaked on me. Last thing I heard she was going to London for her studies.

I don't remember if we hugged. She told me her London plans got screwed up and she was back here. She was being very flirty and sexual. She's a photographer so she was showing me these sexy facial expressions and she tried to teach me some. It was a lot of fun. I told her she was being very sexual and I loved it. After a while I invited her back to my place, but she said it was too early. She then walked back to her friends. I decided to scope out the rest of the bar and see if I could find any other interesting girls. I think I made a couple of approaches but none of them hooked. I ended up seated next to the dancefloor again and I see Fiona flirting and touching a couple of the guys in her group. I guess she was very horny that night. These two guys next to me started chatting me up and complimented me on my outfit telling me I was bound to get laid tonight (little did they know, hahah...). Then I see Fiona seated by herself and I decide to move over there. We flirted a bit more and the vibe is good. I told her I'm about to leave but she asked me stay a little bit longer. I reluctantly stayed.

The bar starts to shut down and Fiona says she's starving. I tell her I've got food at my place (which I did) and tell her to come back to my place. She was kinda sceptical, but I persist and she gives in. On our way back to my place she joked that she's not gonna sleep with me and I'm gonna be so annoyed when she doesn't put out. I just laugh and tell her I don't care what we do. And I meant that. I mean of course I was going to try, but I would be happy just having a hot girl in my bed for the night. When we got to my place I warm up some thai food I made earlier that day in the microwave and made some drinks. She's in the bathroom downstairs. When she comes up she's wrapped in a towel and wearing this incredibly sexy one piece underwear. She had decided to take a shower, lol. I gave her a bowl of some food and she loved it. We cuddled up on the sofa for a few minutes and just talked. She was asking me if I liked her when we were working together and how she found my accent sexy. I was completely honest and told her I didn't like her that much at first (she's got a bitch face), but I grew founder of her and there had always been this tension between us. I decided to go for the kiss and gave her light peck on the lips. No resistance. Good.

I clean up the kitchen and tell her we're going downstairs. I show her my room before I hit the bathroom, brush my teeth and do a few push-ups (haha I know). We cuddle up in bed and start kissing lightly. I start licking her body. I pull out her big tits and start licking them. She's moaning. I lick my way down to her belly and I try to go for the pussy but she resists. I start back up and work my way down but she resists again. I then stop all escalation as we're going to sleep. But for some reason I knew she wanted it. I don't how - maybe it was because she was still grinding my dick, or maybe because she was still cuddling and kissing - I don't exactly remember what it was, but somehow I knew she wanted it. So I start to escalate again. This time more passionate than ever. I'm teasing and licking her whole body. Her magnificent tits get a lot of attention and she's moaning harder and harder. In one passionate surge we take of her incredibly hot one piece and I start teasing her pussy. After that it's game over.

The next morning we fuck again. Her body was insane, I mean pornstar body (she's actually done some modelling for a couple of sexy hipster magazines) and her pussy was incredibly tight. I had to be careful not thrusting too hard when going doggy because she said my dick was too big (lol) and it hurt. The sex was incredible for me, but I sadly I did't make her cum. She was very loving and cuddly in the morning and we laughed and talked a lot after the morning sex. I'm absolutely certain she had a great time (and it would've probably been amazing for her if I made her orgasm), she also told me she had to be completely at ease to cum (yeah right....).

Before we left the bed I told her we should do this again soon and she made a joke saying "fuck that, I don't wanna see you again" very sarcastically. We laughed. she then told me she'd been very indifferent to guys she liked nowadays. I told her: hey, I understand if you want this to be a one time thing but I think your very sexy and chill. Something like that. She smiled and said yeah sure we should see each other again. Then I tried to set something up the week after, but she was vague saying we could figure it out next week. While leaving she mentioned my american football gear in my room. I then made a comment about how sexy it would be fucking her with her wearing my jersey. She didn't answer. I then kissed her goodbye at the door before she left.

Here is the text convo after that night:

A day later
Me - Hey, had fun yesterday:) I hope the bus ride home wasn't too awful, haha. tvktvk
She didn't respond. 3 days later I text her again
Me - Hey Fiona, did you do any shoots this week? I was wondering if you have any plans this weekend, thought we could watch a movie (I mentioned this when we were together)
Fiona - Hey:) I may be travelling to x city this weeend, not sure yet. I'll let you know!
Me - I've been booking meetings for my boss in x city today, haha random. All right, I'm busy on saturday but lemme know if you're free sunday.
She doesn't respond, so I text her again a week later
M - Hey Fiona, hope you're weekend was good:) Do you have plans thursday/friday?
F - I got plans on thursday and I'm unfortunately travelling to Y city on friday This was true, she had booked photo shoots in Y city that weekend, long before we got involved :( My weekend was good, what about yours?
M - My weekend was good, had some amazing cuisine :D Ahh I see, have fun in Y city, I'll message you.
I text her again next week
M - Hey miss, how are you? Hope Y city was awesome:)
F - I'm good :) Y city was great! What about you?
M - Finally done at work, so now I'm good ;) Great, I'm actually heading to Y city for a concert next week. Do you have any plans this week?
F - Sadly I do... Can we meet up next week? I'm heading to the family cabin this weekend and meeting a friend tomorrow.
M - Hahah no worries. I've got a few things happening next week, but I think I have some time early next week. Are you free tuesday?
F - I'll let you know this weekend
F - I can't tuesday.. I'm going out with my friend I'm with today (monkey emoji covering eyes)
M - You're a nightmare scheduling with! :p Haha ok what about sunday next week. Only other day I'm available.
F - That's so far from now (monkey emoji) I think we should to plan more next week.
M - Haha ok, let's say sunday next week and we'll pan further when I'm back from Y city.
F - Great:)
When I get back from Y city I text her, it was friday
M - Hey Fiona, hope youre week's been good! I can garantuee you that your Y city trip was better than mine...heh. Still free sunday?:)
F - Why was Y city so bad?
M - Long story hahah, I can tell it better in person ;)
F - I've been thinking a bit lately. It would be kinda weird for me to hang out like we did last time.. Feels unnatural actually:p I understand if you are dissapointed.
I already knew here that this is pretty much fucked. And the only way I could have changed her mind was in person, but I tried to do it over text...
M - It was a bit weird last time haha, but it also felt good and I had fun with you:) If you feel the same way I think we should meet up. What do you think?
F - I don't know. I mean it was nice. But I'm not interested in anything intimate. And it's probably no point in meeting if that's what you want.
M - I don't anything serious if that's what you mean. Come over on sunday.
F - No, I mean being intimate together like last time.
M - Ahh, wel was it bad for you? WHY THE FUCK DID I TEXT THAT
F - Like I said, it was nice. But it just feels weird and unnatural. So I don't what to repeat it.
At this point I felt I had pushed enough
M - Ok, then I'll just respect that. Yeah, in that case I don't think you should come over, I wouldn't be able to keep my hands to myself, haha. Let me know if you change your mind in the future:) Take care Fiona

Thoughts:
- Should have made her cum when we were together
- Should probably not have made such a big deal about seeing her again before she left, that wasn't very chill or alpha
- The last texting part was horrid from my side

This one kinda stung because I really thought I could set this girl up as a fuckbuddy. That amazing body still pops into my mind from time to time...We had a great time and she knew me from before, so I thought she'd more at ease about hooking up again. I think one of the reasons she felt the whole thing as weird is that maybe she's never been seduced like that before. When we worked together I remember she told me she was the one initiating and moving the interaction forward with her exes. Or maybe I'm just being delusional...

Anyways, we live and we learn. I finished off the year with my lay #4 a few weeks ago, fastest pull I've ever done. I had her home within 20 minutes. I was actually just keeping her busy so my bro could hook up with her friend, lol #elitewingmanshit. After 10 months of struggle I've had 4 lays in about 4 months. Just crazy considering where I was 14 months ago. I've also started dating this german hottie, she may actually be relationship worthy. We'll see where things go...

Here's to an even better 2016!

tvktvk
 

007

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Hola tvktvk :D

Great lay brother :D I'm glad you have improved so much and are becoming de-puzzled, keep on training.

Feedback:
I think the thoughts You posted at the end pretty much summarize the mistakes You made.
1. Making her cum would definitely help... but hey, it's not as easy as it seems...You need practice, experimentation and patience + sometimes it's the girls that cannot cum (haven't been trained yet)
2. Definitely remove any kind of neediness at the end of interactions (and in general). Even though it may feel good in the moment in usually causes long-term 'damage' like it seemingly did in Your case.
3. I agree that the texting was not the best but I also believe that texting is actually quite hard (at least harder then real, 1on1 interactions) because You cannot sense how she's feeling, who she's with, how busy is she, etc. There are sooo many factor. Also, it's a very thin line between persistence and neediness but it becomes thicker as You become more experienced and it depends on the precedent You have set.


All in all, congratulations G! I am confident that You will improve this 3 things and everything else and Your adventure in 2016 will be even more marvelous! ;D


All the best,
007
 

007

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One more thing :p

What does Your name mean?
 

Rage

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Congrats man! Great work; I think there's a few LR and article examples on handling post sex retention that would help.

Grils' aren't really yours till youve done it like 2 or 3 times at separate occasions. Shit sucks kinda because you never really get to know their perspective and what exactly makes them decide to meet up with you again or not. That's the trouble with two people being involved huh? You can just do your best ot be a great fuck and nonchalant after give that text hey i had fun, and then maybe casually text a few days later and see if you guys hang out agian.

Follow the righ tsteps and kinda imporove your odds but then even then some will hook and others were jut up for that one time thing I guess

cheers,

Rage
 

tvktvk

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Thanks for the kind words man! Hahah, long story short tvktvk is my nickname in one of my cliques. This is what it actually is:

tuktuk.jpg


Rage
Thank you bro. From what I've read on Girlschase (and I've read all of the articles bar the 6 latest) for the most part it looks like a crapshoot.
Seems like the only thing I can do is improve being a warm, caring and awesome lover and just hope for the best when I invite a girl over for round number 2.
Good thing is that on my #4 lay I managed to make the girl cum multiple times with both my tongue and cock, so I'm at least improving as a lover.
Let's see how things go with the next one.

tvktvk
 

007

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Hey,

no worries bro ;) Always here to grow together!

hahah that's You, tvktvk? :p

I would love to know how did You make the girl cum with Your cock... was she touching her clit in the process? or was it pure dick? Did You use the adapted missionary? Please describe in details if You don't mind.. I in the phase right now when I can make them cum but not very consistently.. so I'd like to learn everything there is to have a better theoretical foundation... For me the missionary works and the legs over shoulder. With my EX, she had to touch herself but I have had partners when they did not have to touch themselves to cum. Also, once I have just put my finger in a woman (yes, not girl...woman, she was 37) and she told me to just hold it there and press slightly against the upper wall (towards the belly) and she came in about 2 minutes... :O

So yeah, please describe how you made her cum multiple time :D


Have a nice day!

007
 

Seppuku

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Hey tvktvk,

Happy new year man!

Very good job. I know too well this post sex retention problem. Some girls I was very keen on, who just disappeared. Here are my thoughts:

1. All girls want to put you "in a box" where they can control you (i.e. "beta-ize" you). It's just their instinct.
2. If you take them on a same day lay, they know very well what sort of man you are (i.e. lover guy), hard to fit inside a box. They probably know even before you take them to bed, but go for it anyway because so excited.
3. After first sex, some girls decide they won't be able to put you in the box and give up, upfront. Looks a lot like your case.
4. Other girls decide to play ball. They stick around and will try again, again and again to fit you in the box. Their attempts at "beta-izing" you will be more and more ruthless. If you don't turn beta, they will eventually leave, sooner or later.

In your case she told you right away she doesn't want to see you again. It has nothing to do with how good or bad the sex was. It's because she feels she wont be able to turn you into the sort of good boy she's looking for, right now. Maybe she had some time recently with another lover guy, and now wants a BF/GF sort of relationship. I think there was little you could do. Wrong timing in her life. Just be happy that you had some amazing sex with a super hot girl.

So now, I believe the cure to this is to display a right mix of boyfriend / lover vibe. It's mostly lover, but just enough BF to keep her in your sphere. Give a little bit of what she wants, but never enough that she can be fully satisfied. I'm currently in the process of learning this. It's all about calibration.

Overall that's all good news for you. it means that you are giving the right lover vibe, which is beyond the reach of most men in this planet.

Oh, and about your girl... Best is to be completely off radar for at least 6 months. Then see if you can reengage and poll her. Could be a different story then.

Cheers,
Seppuku
PS. Your pseudo... you're referring to the tuktuk found in south east asia :) I love this part of the world!
 

tvktvk

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I use for the most part Chase's techniques. While licking the girl I tease her for a long time around the clit before I give it absolute all my attention. After while I also start to finger her with the "come her" motion (the one you did on the milf) while furiously licking her clit until she cums (multiple times if your tongue's strong enough). When I made her cum with my dick I was doing the adapted missionary and focusing on having my pelvis rub her clit. I was rubbing my whole body back and forth on her and grabbing her shoulders for extra thrust. These are the things I've picked up so far, but remember I'm still just a rookie. Either way I hope this helps :)

Seppuku
Happy new years man, I feel your comments are pretty much on point. Who knows, maybe she'll end up bootycalling me later this year? In the mean time I'll have fun with some new hotties.
Oh yeah you were totally right on the name thing, haha. My parents are from south east asia so there you go ;)

tvktvk
 

007

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Hey,

Thanks for the explanation. I expected it'd be something like that ya.. ;) She must have had a great time ...

Keep them cumming,
007
 

lao che

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i'm a master at post-sex retention. although it's the first time i've used that phrase.

biggest mistake here was neediness. right from the start before she'd left your place, and then the neediness followed by text.

i understand it doesn't seem soooo needy to you. like, "hey it'd be cool either way ,,, " but that's exactly how it really is.

you were already trying to set up a sex-date with her right away, and she was non-committal. you should have backed off there.
after that the best thing about your text game is that you waited an appropriate amount of time betwen texts. except the day after text, i believe, was too soon, because ...

here's how it should go down -

tell her to send you a text she got homely safely. kiss her (optional).

her: i'm home safe!

you: alright good. today was fun. see you next time.

her: alright. goodnight1 :) (or, no response. or some banter)

after that, you don't contact her again. wait. she will contact you. if she doesn't, it's almost over, but a hail mary every now and then is ok, after at least a week, but this is a legitimately busy girl)


now, if she doesn't send you a home-safe message. you definitely need to follow up on that. next day send her a "just checking" message and take it from there. it would be a really shitty thing to not reply to that with a "yes i'm alive". from then just calibrate, if she wants anything to do with you she'll contribute to the coinvo. don't push.


BTW lack of fulfilment is definitely a factor here, as is lack of dominance.
you don't have to make her cum to have her want to see you again, if you are very dominant and demonstrate that you are in control and know what you're doing.

i say this to let you know that you might have lost the battle (gaining a new FB) but you have the tools available to win the war.

'but solid lay, though!!

'have at it. friend
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

tvktvk

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Lao Che
Bro, this is gold and exactly what I was looking for. Thank you man

tvktvk
 

lao che

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you're welcome, tvktvk

only your third lay? you're gonna become a machine!

remember, after she re-initiates, be cool. don't just invite her over immediately. it's kinda like starting again with a new girl. but easier. you know what she wants when she contacts you, but you tease it out of her a little. banter a little bit. see what she's got to offer. play with her a little bit, but always moving towards a conclusion.
i often have girls bring food to cook, all of the ingredients, then cook for me while i watch, or drink.

personally try saying something without saying anything. phrases like this are very useful -

hmm we'll see about that

i'll be the judge of that

well, what are you going to do about it?



i strongly suggest you don't volunteer an outside 'date'. that's moving backwards.

don't be afraid to banter and chat without setting up the next date. if she's talking to you, she wants you, she's coming. be patient and enjoy the process

and remember, no matter how much she begs, never feed her after midnight ... no that's not right..... never see her more than once a week. two weeks is better. you WILL be tempted, esp if she's hot and a great fuck. don't do it.
 

lao che

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here's an example of texting in the days after


her: so what's the most blablablablabla (question aimed at pulling me into rapport)

me: (refuse to answer) WTF [name]?

her: bad question? i just feel that blabla bla bla

me: [chimp shaking head .gif] i was just thinking about you before

her: can't see .gifs. what's that one?

me: it's a girl on her knees. being slapped in the face by a huge cock

me: not really. it's a chimp shaking it's head to signify no

her: well damn. i'm getting mixed signals over here

me: that dick slap is one of my favourites though. never gets old

her: i think i've seen it. or at least a variation on the theme

her: seeing favourite written that way seems far too prim and proper to be in that sentence.

me: yes, us englishmen and our prim proper extra vowels.

her: it's like even your texts have an english accent.


i drop the convo here. i've given her enough of my time for now


4 days later.

her: hey lao che, i really enjoyed spending time with you last week. if you have time tonight or tomorrow then would you maybe like to hang out?



don't give her what she wants right away!

me: wholesome miss [name] what a lovely polite message.

her: hey lao che, i really enjoyed your cock last week, if you have time would you maybe like to get horizontal?



and so on.

krauser has some good examples of long game and text game. anyone would do well to read his entire blog from the start. it's a great demonstration of what is possible with pickup and game.
anyway, you sir have the world at your feet. onwards and upwards!


hope this helps, i feel i've hijacked your thread a little. happy new year
 

ray_zorse

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Coming in late to this thread. I have not read everything yet, but I wanted to say, great advice from Seppuku and lao che. Taking notes.
Ray
 
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