LR Feeeling GOOOD

[Sly]

Haven't posted in a while but I'm feeling pretty proud right now, so I want to share my story.

Last night myself and some buddies began the night with a bit of drinking. I always used to go out pretty drunk but since starting pickup, I haven't really been drinking or drinking a minimum when trying to pickup women. I do feel like my game is a lot smoother, as I pick up on subtle IOIs easier and articulate myself better while I'm sober, but as I've been studying this material for a while now, its becoming second nature to pick up on IOIs, so the alcohol really just loosens me up a bit and helps with social interactions.

So we get to the first bar/club. Walked around, chatted some girls up but wasn't getting any results. Any advice on what to do at these really loud venues where it's hard to communicate? I attempt to talk really loudly but often am asked by the girls to repeat my opening statement. I don't necessarily lean in because most of the time I'm speaking to more than one girl and can't individually ask them each the question. Plus I don't want to display my interest in them that early. Around 1ish myself at a buddy decide we're bored and we want to move to another bar.

Got to the next bar and my mindset is unfortunately already pretty bad. At 1:30ish I always feel like it's too tough to close girls when meeting them that late in the night, but I just said "fuck it" and went for it anyways. My buddy's not feeling it and were about to leave when I spot a group of three girls. Two aren't attractive, the other one is very pretty. Open them, neg them both a bit and then ask to borrow the good looking one for a second. Take her to sit down and I pull a couple compliance tests and she takes them well. Grabs my hands etc. I have countlessly read material on this site on not kissing the girl at the venue, if you want to sleep with her. I do see the logic behind it, but I still have my doubts. Because of my mindset of it being too late, I told myself I just want to hookup with her because she probably wouldn't be down this late in the night. I can tell you this though, basically EVERY SINGLE TIME I get a girl back alone sitting with me I will hook up with her. Her compliance to come hang out with me separately from her friends, indicates to me she is interested, if you play it well. I rotate between 3 things I'll say to initiate the kiss; they're pretty flawless and have gotten me great results. One of three is when I ask her if shes an impulsive person? In this case shee responded sometimes. I responded by saying "I am really impulsive and am trying sooo hard not to kiss you right now", in a slow confident coice, while eye fucking her. She smirked and blushed, and bam game over. For me, kissing the girl and then pulling back tells her what you want, so if you ask her to leave after, she's already invested in you and is more likely to agree compared to if you hadn't physically connected yet. I'm far from a pro, just what I'm learning from experience. Your thoughts?

From there I pulled her out of the club by saying I was hungry and we should get food. This whole club interaction probably lasted at most for 20mins. Really important to move quickly. At the food place, I told her my place was real close and we might as well eat there. I see how LOGISTICS are sooooo key in a pickup. Get back to my place and eat and then ask her to come sit on the couch. Start hooking up with her but because it was uncomfortable we move to my bed. This is where the magic happens....

Start hooking up, feeling her upp blah blah blah. As I'm about to steal third base she tells me she doesn't usually do this the first time she meets guys. I reply with the "all my passionate relationships begin passionately" line. Although I felt it was a good response, this threw her off cause she responded flustered by saying she doesn't want a relationship. I had to clarify what that meant and that I didn't either and just continued escalating. Any other suggestions of how to combat something like this?? Putting on the condom almost killed the vibe too cause I had to completely stop kissing her to do it. Really need to figure out a way to get it on while maintaining sexualness (not a word, i know). Gooo at for like 40ish mins. Never have been with a screamer like this. It was like out of a porno. Such a turn on. Made her cum multiple times but I'm getting frustrated cause I can't finish. Still don't know why but I'm guessing it was whiskey dick. Ask her to get in the shower with me cause I can't finish and I'm hot. She protests but I stayed calm and persisted. This was key. Get in the shower and what do you have it, I FINISH. Feeling satisfied, she gets dressed and says she gonna head out. I do feel like she enjoyed the sex but it was a bit awkward after. Got her number but when I asked when I'll see her next, it was a half ass answer. Could have been dead tired (5 am or just wanted a one night stand) Think me not finishing for that long, pissed her off a bit. Fuck it though,I need to be really turned on. She even left her ear rings at my place...

Now I'm wondering what I should message her cause I'd be down to go for round two sometime. Thinking something related to picking her earrings up. What are your thoughts? How long do I wait to message her? FYI Beginning break on Friday, so I'm going home for a week. Tonight is my last night in town.

All in all I learned a few things. Persistance, logistics and taking control are all key factors in a LAY.

Any suggestions and or critique are welcomed. Hope you boys enjoyed

 

[Garrett]

Re: LR Feeeling GOOOD

Sly,

First of all, great job!

If I were you, I'd tell her something along the lines of, 'Hey (name), I had a great time with you (whenever you had sex with her). Listen, if you want your earrings back, we'll have to meetup asap. I'll be gone after tonight ." Reword it how you want, but that's just to give you an idea of what you can say. You provide her with a greeting, name, some new information, consideration, it leaves a little mystery as you are not telling her where you are going, or how long you are going for (baiting). If she veers off topic ignore it and persist a bit, and if she doesn't come then screw it.

If I were you, I'd do my best to meetup with her tonight. If you want this girl, you should meetup again with her shortly after first sex, have sex, comfort her/talk to her after sex, then go on your break and don't see her or text her (unless she texts you but you can ignore her a little bit if you want) for at least about 10 days. If you do that, you'll be golden. Try to get her out tonight. If she agrees, give it to her good .

Anyways, keep us updated man, I found your story pretty interesting and it's motivational based on the fact that you spent that little extra time to pull and it clearly worked out well for you!

Cheers,
Garrett

 

[Tyme2k]

Re: LR Feeeling GOOOD

Great LR man. I need more of these for sure!

I'd suggest keeping that abundance mentality, text her you had fun tell her you'll be at (XX place)and pull agian. If she flakes, get more girls haha.

 

[Landlord]

Re: LR Feeeling GOOOD

Well done!
I don't do routines, but I learned something from you about compliance testing.
Can you explain more about the 'grab my hands' bit?

ABOUT KISSING IN THE VENUE:
I agree with you about kissing in the venue. I think there are some distinctions:

1. I've had terrible luck (and have posted about it on these boards) making out with a girl on a proper date and then getting blown off...that's a date scenario, not a club scenario though

2. A difference between 'a kiss' (which builds up tension and anticipation) and 'making out' which the girl may feel satisfied and 'done' with.

3. Also—if you make out a bit and then IMMEDIATELY move her to another location (or back to yours)—maybe that works? (anyone have thoughts on that?)


ABOUT THE FOLLOW UP:
Why do girls always leave shit behind? Are they that forgetful, or is this a conscious or subconscious attempt to retain our interest?
I dated a girl for 2 years who was not at all forgetful, but always left something behind, every time, for years! I think it was her way of keeping the connection.

I ABSOLUTELY would NOT send her a STRAIGHT follow up like "had a nice time, you forgot your earrings!!!!"
Sounds like this girl wants to keep it light
Instead you could tease her....something like "I really like the way these earrings look on me...do they have them in Silver as well?"
let HER request to get them back.
Tease her by saying "i don't know, isn't it "finders-keepers?""....then build up to say "Hmm, I'll think about it. What sort of reward are you offering for their safe return?"

This lets her know that you are casual about it all, and sets the stage that you just want more sex, not a relationship.
It also gives her the psychology that you are in charge and comfortable with yourself....so she should be too.

ABOUT 40 MINUTES:
What do you guys think is the 'optimum' time for penetrative sex?
My philosophy is they need to come at least once...I prefer to make her come once by fingering/eating and then once (together with me) by penetrative sex.
Not always easy for some girls.
Sounds like not a problem for Sly's Screamer though!!!!
Anyway if she's still getting pleasure from it, I don't think there is a 'too long' only a 'too short'.

 

[Sly]

Re: LR Feeeling GOOOD

Thanks for the responses guys. Appreciate it!

Well done!
I don't do routines, but I learned something from you about compliance testing.
Can you explain more about the 'grab my hands' bit?

My compliance tests really begin when I move the girl from one location to another. I'll usually hold out my hand for them to grab. If they do, its obviously a good sign. As well, while sitting with them I'll sometimes say we need to do a trust test where I place my hands out and she places her hands on mine. If she seems comfortable and willing, those are good signs in my head.

And honestly with the whole kiss in club subject. I usually do end up hooking up with them for a bit. Not full on, but not a peck either. Helps if you're the one to pull away though. Keeps her wanting more...

As for the follow up, followed your advice Garrett and went for the chill but didn't go as well as I hoped.

Messages were:

Me: Hey (name). Enjoyed last night. Hope your voice isn't gone today
Her: Haha. is this (my name)
Me: Haha yeah. Where was the after party? Not said in text but obv its me who else would be speaking about her screaming
Her: What do you mean? I went home
Me: Nvm. You forgot your earrings here
Her: I don't remember taking them off
Me: Probably fell off
Her: Makes Sense
Me: Leaving tom. If you want to come by later tonight to get them, that's fine
Her: I dont really need them right away and I'm too busy with school work tonight
Me: Sure. Just let me know when. Enjoy your time in (her city)
Her: You too

You guys tell me, but I felt like she was being a bit short and not at all flirty or trying to keep anything going here. Having an iphone I try not to send long text messages, but even the first message seemed so long on a screen, while on the comp its nothing. Thoughts?

As well, don't plan on messaging her when I get back until she intitates. Hope it works cause the scratches on my back are starting to fade and im down for round 2

 

[Chase]

Sly-

Well-played on this one. Some comments:

So we get to the first bar/club. Walked around, chatted some girls up but wasn't getting any results. Any advice on what to do at these really loud venues where it's hard to communicate? I attempt to talk really loudly but often am asked by the girls to repeat my opening statement. I don't necessarily lean in because most of the time I'm speaking to more than one girl and can't individually ask them each the question. Plus I don't want to display my interest in them that early. Around 1ish myself at a buddy decide we're bored and we want to move to another bar.

These are harder. You can get good at speaking understandably in very loud venues - if you target your lips directly at a girl's ear she'll hear you better, and if you draw out your vowels and focus on making your consonants very crisp, that can lend added clarity to your voice which makes you easier to hear without you necessarily having to raise the volume you're speaking at at all.

However, you're still combatting higher / party-like energy levels there. You'll usually want to go for more nonverbal game and escalation - see these for reference:

• Nonverbal Attraction and Getting Girls Without Words
• How to Pick Up Girls in Bars and Clubs

Got to the next bar and my mindset is unfortunately already pretty bad. At 1:30ish I always feel like it's too tough to close girls when meeting them that late in the night, but I just said "fuck it" and went for it anyways. My buddy's not feeling it and were about to leave when I spot a group of three girls. Two aren't attractive, the other one is very pretty. Open them, neg them both a bit and then ask to borrow the good looking one for a second. Take her to sit down and I pull a couple compliance tests and she takes them well.

Great perseverance in spite of a negative mindset here, Sly.

For me, kissing the girl and then pulling back tells her what you want, so if you ask her to leave after, she's already invested in you and is more likely to agree compared to if you hadn't physically connected yet. I'm far from a pro, just what I'm learning from experience. Your thoughts?

I usually recommend strongly against kissing in public because most guys get too into it and make out just to make out, but this is the one way of using it to good effect. If you are kissing girls and you're ending the kiss first and also NOT chasing after more kissing (but get HER chasing after more kisses, which you largely don't give her), you're using it properly and effectively to up intrigue and attraction rather than as something that's going to defuse it.

From there I pulled her out of the club by saying I was hungry and we should get food. This whole club interaction probably lasted at most for 20mins. Really important to move quickly. At the food place, I told her my place was real close and we might as well eat there. I see how LOGISTICS are sooooo key in a pickup.

Indeed.

I reply with the "all my passionate relationships begin passionately" line. Although I felt it was a good response, this threw her off cause she responded flustered by saying she doesn't want a relationship. I had to clarify what that meant and that I didn't either and just continued escalating. Any other suggestions of how to combat something like this??

There's a blast from the past! I can't even remember who's line that was originally... is that Zan?

Anyway, the problem with that line is it presumes a relationship, and as this girl made very clear, a relationship was the last thing she wanted. It sounds like you successfully established yourself in her head as "hookup material" and out of contention for a boyfriend or friend role, which is why the seduction progressed so smoothly, but also means she's viewing it as a one-off deal.

A quick, funny one-liner is all you really need here. Like:

• Girl: I don't usually do this when I first meet guys.
  Sly: I don't usually do this when I first meet guys, either.

Putting on the condom almost killed the vibe too cause I had to completely stop kissing her to do it. Really need to figure out a way to get it on while maintaining sexualness (not a word, i know).

See here:

Transition into reaching for condom advice?

Gooo at for like 40ish mins. Never have been with a screamer like this. It was like out of a porno. Such a turn on. Made her cum multiple times but I'm getting frustrated cause I can't finish.

Girls who cum this hard and this easily with a new partner tend to be pretty sexually open and experienced, and be very comfortable with hooking up. Their ease of achieving (powerful) orgasms drives them to seek more sexual partners, and their experience with casual sex makes them more comfortable with it and, thus, have an easier time reaching climax. They tend to be thrill-seekers and pleasure chasers, and often are allergic to relationships (which may be why she was chilly to you later... if she thought you were going to be at all clingy, the antithesis of what she's going for).

Feeling satisfied, she gets dressed and says she gonna head out.

Another signal that she's been around the block and knows what she's doing.

I do feel like she enjoyed the sex but it was a bit awkward after. Got her number but when I asked when I'll see her next, it was a half ass answer. Could have been dead tired (5 am or just wanted a one night stand)

Probably the latter. When I take a girl to bed and she has a lot of powerful, screaming orgasms very easily, I make it a habit to ask if she's just that attracted to me and the sex is just that good or if she simply has an easy time cumming. Usually, the response is that she orgasms very easily and it is that way with everyone. So, your feeling may be, "Wow, the sex was GREAT! I can't believe she wouldn't want to do that again...?" but her perspective is that she can get sex just as good from any guy with a penis she finds attractive enough.

Think me not finishing for that long, pissed her off a bit. Fuck it though,I need to be really turned on.

It's possible. When a girl cums early into sex, she may cum multiple times but after a while it starts getting old. Sometimes it's good to take a break for a while or change positions into something more stimulating, or imagine she is another girl, or do what you need to do to finish up. Sometimes you can just go to sleep, and then wake up an hour later horny as hell and ready to go back for Round 2 and finish then.

As for the follow up, followed your advice Garrett and went for the chill but didn't go as well as I hoped.

Messages were:

Me: Hey (name). Enjoyed last night. Hope your voice isn't gone today
Her: Haha. is this (my name)
Me: Haha yeah. Where was the after party? Not said in text but obv its me who else would be speaking about her screaming
Her: What do you mean? I went home
Me: Nvm. You forgot your earrings here
Her: I don't remember taking them off
Me: Probably fell off
Her: Makes Sense
Me: Leaving tom. If you want to come by later tonight to get them, that's fine
Her: I dont really need them right away and I'm too busy with school work tonight
Me: Sure. Just let me know when. Enjoy your time in (her city)
Her: You too

You guys tell me, but I felt like she was being a bit short and not at all flirty or trying to keep anything going here. Having an iphone I try not to send long text messages, but even the first message seemed so long on a screen, while on the comp its nothing. Thoughts?

As well, don't plan on messaging her when I get back until she intitates. Hope it works cause the scratches on my back are starting to fade and im down for round 2

Most sexually experienced people have pretty flirtation-free texting - text ends up being used largely for handling logistics. She seems cool, calm, and straightforward - she isn't being short, defensive, or rude, and her communication is normal. She may want to just have an excuse to come back and have sex with you when she starts getting horny a few weeks out. I'd treat this as no big deal, keep the communication normal with her, and don't freak her out by trying to plan any kind of big date or anything. When she wants to come over, just tell her she can come over. When she does, invite her to stay for a bite or a drink, and then get quickly down to business - because that's what she's really there for.

Anyway, it sounds like - if she does come back to get the earrings, and you do have sex - she may just want you as her "cock-on-demand" for whenever she wants it every so often. In that case, it doesn't much matter what you want... if you give her what she wants and are cool about it, she'll keep seeing you, but if you get clingy, jealous, protective, start pushing for an exclusive relationship, etc., she'll get ghost. Just how it goes with sexually independent individuals...

Chase

 

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