Feeling Overly Aggressive

[foggy]

I’ve been going to the gym for a good few months now. I usually get these testosterone spikes when in the middle of my workout, and they last for like an hour or two after I’m done. But lately, these “spikes” have been lasting a lot longer, and getting more intense.

During the last spike, I was really aggressive, and I had this overwhelming inner desire to make people (both men and women) submit to me. I would walk down the street and automatically view everyone as submissive to me. If I talked to them, it was my intent to have them submit to me. This intent was being conveyed - people seemed to be nervous around me! I liked it. And for the first time in my life all i cared about was just finding a woman to fuck right on the spot. I didn't even care about building a connection.

I called my parents about it and they expressed some worries. They think I’m delusional and that this is not a healthy mindset to have. They also said my voice sounded a little tense.

What do you guys think? I think viewing everyone as submissive is a good mindset to have, but I don’t know how i feel about this desire to scare people into submission with my presence. How can I reel this energy in constructively and control it?

 

[Hue]

This happens to me too sometimes when I'm out. I get so much social momentum and people submitting to my frame / direction I eventually become domineering towards the end of the night.

I think it's a powerful frame and a useful tool in a number of ways but like most anything demands some tempering to be handled properly. I try to catch myself before I become too alpha-douche and tone it down with some warthm and kindness.


Hue

 

[Fuck This]

I've had that happen a few times after a good hard workout. If i have a list of projects I can usually get a lot of them knocked out while I'm riding that spike. You are more decisive, and have more conviction in your decisions at that point.

If you have a woman lined up who is horny it can make for a very passionate experience as well. It is important to temper that feeling to some degree when meeting new women though. it can be a little too "in-your-face" for some people, put sometimes it is enough social momentum to make you more direct about interest and intent in women. Your eye contact becomes more intense. Focus on smiling more and women will approach.

 

[foggy]

hi

I eventually become domineering towards the end of the night.

domineering, yes thats the ideal way to describe it.

I try to catch myself before I become too alpha-douche

alpha-douche, yes thats a good way to describe it too. wow hue, you really do have a way with words sometimes... just like a hurricane would have its way with houses made of low quality toilet paper.

If you have a woman lined up who is horny it can make for a very passionate experience as well.

yo i can totally imagine spitting in a girl's mouth and choking her with so much passion that she ends up writing a book about it.

I think it's a powerful frame and a useful tool in a number of ways but like most anything demands some tempering to be handled properly. I try to catch myself before I become too alpha-douche and tone it down with some warthm and kindness.

It is important to temper that feeling to some degree when meeting new women though. it can be a little too "in-your-face" for some people, put sometimes it is enough social momentum to make you more direct about interest and intent in women.

i noticed both of you used the concept of tempering, and i agree with that. I can imagine that if I can tap into the "in-your-face" vibe at certain moments, and tone it down at other moments with warmth and kindness, then it would be real useful. That's the challenge though. When I'm feeling this way, toning it down is the last thing I want to do. Probably just a matter of willpower.

The other day I crashed from feeling overly aggressive and went back to my normal self. I felt like a little weakling. But the good part is that I remembered my thought process and how I viewed the world when I was feeling that way. And now, I'm making it a natural habit of thinking that way. I have to remind myself to do it, just like I would have to remind myself to sit up straighter or something like that.

I've been happy with the results so far - I have higher baseline confidence [minus the in-your-face aggressive vibes that come with the t spike), and the chicks are noticing.

 

[Fuck This]

hi
yo i can totally imagine spitting in a girl's mouth and choking her with so much passion that she ends up writing a book about it.

What the fuck is this shit? Some of you guys are watching too much porn. Some first time virgin newbie is going to read this and try it the first time with a girl and not know any better. Then end up with a Sex Assault case.

Learn the line between dominant and violent. I've never had a woman want to be choked or spit on...

 

[foggy]

hi
yo i can totally imagine spitting in a girl's mouth and choking her with so much passion that she ends up writing a book about it.

What the fuck is this shit? Some of you guys are watching too much porn. Some first time virgin newbie is going to read this and try it the first time with a girl and not know any better. Then end up with a Sex Assault case.

Learn the line between dominant and violent. I've never had a woman want to be choked or spit on...

lol dawg cmon, you're kidding yourself if you think women dont wanna be choked

 

[Michal]

hi
yo i can totally imagine spitting in a girl's mouth and choking her with so much passion that she ends up writing a book about it.

What the fuck is this shit? Some of you guys are watching too much porn. Some first time virgin newbie is going to read this and try it the first time with a girl and not know any better. Then end up with a Sex Assault case.

Learn the line between dominant and violent. I've never had a woman want to be choked or spit on...

lol dawg cmon, you're kidding yourself if you think women dont wanna be choked

You missed the point

 

[Hue]

When I'm feeling this way, toning it down is the last thing I want to do. Probably just a matter of willpower.

The other day I crashed from feeling overly aggressive and went back to my normal self. I felt like a little weakling. But the good part is that I remembered my thought process and how I viewed the world when I was feeling that way. And now, I'm making it a natural habit of thinking that way. I have to remind myself to do it, just like I would have to remind myself to sit up straighter or something like that.

I've been happy with the results so far - I have higher baseline confidence [minus the in-your-face aggressive vibes that come with the t spike), and the chicks are noticing.

I think a lot of why this feeling is enjoyable is because it's primarily testosterone based. When I have a night of everyone submitting to my frames and leading multiple people, some of whom I've just met, I get the winner-effect giving me a positive feedback loop. A T-spike, as you describe. And my T is probably already well up there, anyway.

Testosterone is a drug, dude. A naturally produced one that your body makes, yea - but any drug can be really powerful if you don't have a handle on it.

Why is it archetypally jocks that get into bar fights and start shit with people for little to no reason? Partially, I think, because they're fucking high on T and alpha-juice, mixed in with multiple different psychological pressures. They don't have a handle on it and then make an ass of themselves for the sake of being dominant for dominance's sake. It might be attractive in some secondary sense sure, but in the primary situational context, people lose self control sometimes.

In group settings, it's not always the most advantageous move in every scenario to be the guy running the whole show. Will it make women desire you? Yes. Will it make people more compliant and submissive to you, ultimately leading to what you want? Yes. But to consciously push things in that direction just because a person likes being the alpha also attaches expectations and pressures that otherwise wouldn't be there.

For example, if a person is new to a social circle with a clear dominant leader and everything is already in line with the person's desires, they should just enjoy themselves with the pack and make their own important decisions when necessary. To attempt to be perceived as the alpha or become the dominant one is actually getting in your own way, because it can be just as off-putting to some as it is attractive to others if it's not done with proper calibration. And, as FT and I are describing, loss of temperament = loss of calibration = potential consequence not in-line with what you want.

As a disclaimer, I'll add that things don't always end badly and a lot of times I've seen guys in this "mode" get what they want with no negative consequence. It's important to consider a spectrum of possibilities.

i noticed both of you used the concept of tempering, and i agree with that. I can imagine that if I can tap into the "in-your-face" vibe at certain moments, and tone it down at other moments with warmth and kindness, then it would be real useful.

Very useful. It's a balancing act that I certainly haven't mastered myself yet.


To your original post,

I think viewing everyone as submissive is a good mindset to have, but I don’t know how i feel about this desire to scare people into submission with my presence. How can I reel this energy in constructively and control it?

Viewing everyone as submissive isn't accurate, or necessarily a good mindset to have. It comes in handy sometimes, and when appropriate, makes you more dominant in the situation you're in - which might end up with you getting what you want. Rather than actively try to see everyone this way, I'd say it's better to remind yourself you are a dominant man, present yourself as one, and act congruently with your rationale and desired direction. Take note if someone starts acting submissive towards you and then decide as your situation unfolds if it's a beneficial move to include them in your direction. To do so just to do so, may yield unwanted, negatively consequenced, or dangerous circumstances.


*injects liquid T to protruding vein*