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zer01ne

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Bear with me guys, this is a complicated one, I hope I'll be able to tell it the way it went down as closely as possible and maybe someone has some good advice for me. I'm not a native English speaker, so excuse the grammatical errors or bad wording.

A couple months ago I've started talking to a girl online that I went to high school with, almost 20 years ago. We're both 37 but both much younger at heart, we're both a bit crazy too. I always liked her but in school I was a bit of a loser when it came to girls, we hung out a couple times, but never got together.

When we started talking again, it became very intense very quickly, in only a matter of days. I asked her if she liked me back in high school, told her I did, but thought I screwed up back then. Turns out she liked me as well! On and off for years, said she should have been more pushy... After only a few days we got into romantic fantasies and started talking about meeting up. She's very much into spiritualism and said we were soulmates (of which I'm not sure, honestly). She told me after a few days of chatting, before we even met, "I want to live in your soul". I was surprised by the level of affection she had for me. She usually goes to bed at 9 or 10, but would wait for me for hours to come online, at one time we chatted for about six hours, until 4 in the morning, on a weekday. She said out of the guys she ever knew, I was the only one to almost "check all the boxes on her checklist" when it comes to personal qualities and interests (besides cars, she's really into cars, me, not that much)

Now, there are a few things that make this a bit difficult, but we didn't care. One, I moved away from the town we both grew up in, the town she still lives in, it's only 120 miles away though, and I can work from there, so not a big deal. But...two, she is married now. With a small child. She has no romantic relationship with the husband anymore, they haven't had any of that for years, said she thought about leaving him years ago, but because of the kid, and in part because of the financial security, she wouldn't. She still likes him, but only as a friend, nothing more. Even before meeting each other again we both kinda started daydreaming of a life together...things were insanely intense. She wanted to chase me away at times though, said I shouldn't want her, she's fat now (she's not), she's married and all.

We met, kissed on the first date, met four times in four days, and were both very happy. Started coming up with crazy plans on how we could meet more, have romantic weekends, even spend a week-long vacation on the beach together! I had to travel four hours a week, but didn't mind. We met about ten times in a month, it was great. We didn't get to having sex yet, not that we didn't both want to, but most of the time had to meet either somewhere outside of town (so her friends don't see us) or in the office she works in (works there alone). We were stealing hours... I know it wasn't easy for her, had to come up with excuses in front of the husband, even though they haven't been together romantically for a long time, it's not an open marriage and she didn't want to make it that way (I did suggest that she try). The only person that knew about us was her best (girl)friend.

All in all, it was a bit hard, a little bitter at times (because of the husband thing), but more happiness than hardship/bitterness. We thought we'll fall in love for sure and then see what happens, once things turn really serious, maybe she could move to my town, move in with me with the child, but decided not to make any concrete plans just now, we were not there yet. We knew it was a crazy idea because of her marital status, but we were crazy about the whole thing. She still wanted to chase me away from her a little bit at times, kinda semi-jokingly, thought I deserved better than a woman with a husband and child, but I persisted. We were planning on spending a weekend together, she and her best friend would go on an excursion, the three of us would go together, I'd finally meet one of her friends, and they would sleep at my place. Also, she has a work project coming up, she'll probably have to work from a town much nearer to me for a few weeks, she'd work there during the day, come see me after work and sleep with me (essentially move in with me, if only for a few weeks...for now).

And then...last week something strange happened. We were chatting during work and she mentioned she couldn't concentrate, she was "bedazzled". I was obviously curious and asked what she was talking about. She said it was a guy from the work dinner yesterday night... I called her up immediately asking "What are you talking about?", she was hesitant to say, but I pulled the entire story out of her. Turns out she had a serious crush on a guy last December, they met a couple times due to work, but never for personal reasons, the guy didn't even know of her feelings, he was "unapproachable" to her. Not sure what she meant, but sounded like a guy of fairly high financial/social status, he also lives in a different town (she says the guy is not married). This crush was so serious and painful for her that she couldn't even really sleep for a month. I was surprised that she didn't tell me about this before, this only happened a couple months ago, she told me of all her past relationships, even the ones from 20 years ago and seemed to be pretty honest about things overall. She said she didn't want to say because I'd think she has these "dark secrets" and it wouldn't have been any good if she told me anyway.

So now that she met this guy after a few months, she became obsessed with her again. Which was made even stranger by the fact that I thought she was really, really obsessed with me...but it looks like what she felt and now feels again for him is even deeper than what she felt for me. Much deeper, she says. All of a sudden it became "You're a really nice guy, funny, intelligent, handsome, but this other guy...he literally lives in my cells". I asked her "What about soulmates?" She said she still feels like we're soulmates, but her feelings towards that other guy are stronger than everything else. As you can imagine, this was quite the blow for me. She said she'd rather not see me for a few weeks, she's confused, will try to suppress that emotion, they will have to work together (mostly phone/mail, occasionally meet as well, but not just the two of them) for a few weeks, and we'll probably meet again afterwards. I was shocked, but still thought she was stilll very much into me as well, she doesn't want that other feeling, she may be able to forget it fully if she really wants to. I know, this was stupid of me, but that's what I thought.

Not seeing her on the weekend was hard, but we did continue chatting just like before. Except that we avoided romantic topics. This Monday I wanted to discuss things a bit more, and that's when the second shock came. She was hesitant to talk about the whole thing at first, but opened up quickly. She said that all of a sudden, her romantic feelings towards me were gone! She doesn't know why and she's really sorry, but it happened somehow... It all started to lose sense to me completely. She stopped trying to suppress her emotions towards the other guy as it made her feel miserable, now she just "lets it flow" and since then she's been having pleasant feelings (in general). She also said that she already knows when a relationship begins whether it's going to work or not, her husband, for example, was always more of a friend, not pure love, and it didn't work out, and I wasn't pure love for her either. I really thought I was.

I myself am not in love with her (yet), under these circumstances and the uncertainty due to the marriage thing and meeting in secret...wasn't the ideal breeding ground for love. But I really, really like her, we have a lot of things in common, I think we are a great match, and if we could spend more time together, I'm sure I would fall in love.

Yesterday she told me her best friend's theory about this (the only person who knows about both that guy and myself). Her friend believes that this guy left a lot of unfulfilled love in her heart after those 1–2 months of her suppressing those strong feelings, and when she met me after all these years, obviously we've always liked each other, and she started pouring out/projecting that love she had in her heart onto me. And now that this guy is back, it could have "sucked those emotions back from me".

I don't know if this might be true, I'd like to think she only put her feelings towards me on the shelf subconsciously to make way for her feelings for that other guy, but it's still there, just buried for now. I don't know what to believe anymore. We keep talking, we still say "Good morning" to each other via chat every day, call each other and talk for an hour, care about what the other person is doing, how their day goes, it goes both ways. We just don't talk about romantic things now.

What do you think? Could her friend's theory be true? Did she subconsciously bury her feelings towards me, or did they really disappear? Have you ever heard of or experienced anything like this? Any advice as to what I could do to win her heart back? Even the smallest useful tidbit would be much appreciated. (Just don't say "Forget it, it's not worth it", I've heard that advice before, and that's not what I want.)
 

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Firstly you said you couldn't have sex because you could only meet in HER OFFICE WHICH SHE WORKS ALONE IN basically that is a perfect place to escalate and have sex with her she was probably waiting for it every date she came to you because her husband has not been able to sexually please her and was hoping you would.

Considering you failed to escalate and bet her after all those isolated dates in a room by yourself with her she probably just started looking for a guy which could sexually please her which is the other guy she says she has stronger feelings for because he probably already fufilled her sexual desires and now she views him as a more dominant man

( remember your dealing with a 37 year old women which was basically cravin the D)


I would say your best bet would be to meet up with her again and just go for it (sex ) basically as soon as you are in a room alone grab her man handle kiss her an start taking off your clothe ( try regain dominance )


Not sure if this is right but this is my interpretation of what has happened and the approach I think is suitable for it
 

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That office is open to customers. We were playing around a bit, were both getting aroused, but it's impossible to do more knowing that anyone can walk in on us at any time.

As for the other guy, I don't think you read my initial post thoroughly, I don't blame you, it's a long and complicated one. She never had any contact with that guy other than work-related stuff. The guy doesn't even know she likes him.

That said, I was thinking about being more assertive the next time we meet up and even though she says she doesn't have romantic feelings for me anymore, I'll grab her and say "Well, let's try and see". If we can meet anytime soon, that is.

But, that might not happen for one, maybe two weeks more, and I'm wondering how I should behave until then to regain the feelings she has for me, when we're chatting or on the phone. Any tips? Anything specific I could/should say?

Also, I'm kinda wondering if she might just be lying about the whole other guy thing, and about losing her feelings towards me, just to keep me away for her, knowing that she has boundaries (married with a child), thinking it might be better for me this way. I know that's what she thinks about the whole deal, that I'd be better off with a single woman, but the question is, would she come up with a crazy story this just to keep me away? I don't think she would lie about this, but I can't completely rule it out.
 

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yeh im not too sure man might have to get assistance from more experienced members


There is a possibility she has got cold feet like you mentioned cause of her child and shizz

and i thought you met in her office to avoid been seen by other people but if people can walk in there at anytime then doesn't that defeat the purpose ?

(and i thought you visited her in her office after work hours thats where the confusion came from )
 
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There's hardly any customers walking in, ever, but the door is usually not locked. At one time, we were talking and holding hands, her husband just happened to walk by and popped in. Not sure if he saw us holding hands or not, but he did ask about me once they both arrived home at the end of the day. They sleep in separate rooms, though, so that in itself was not a big issue for her. But, as it's not an open marriage, the constant meetings in secret can be exhausting, I understand that.

I'm more curious about the other guy/lost feelings aspect - how can that happen, someone returns into your life and you forget all the feelings you had for someone else, is that possible? Or is that even true? Anything I can do to find out or reverse it?

Unfortunately I don't know any forum members here, I'm new, but I'm hoping someone who has experience with something like this will stop by. I'm wondering if there's any chance to contact Chase or some of the site's writers directly? They probably get a ton of messages and don't like to be bothered by everyone, but I think my case is somewhat out of the ordinary and they might actually be interested in it.
 

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If Chase, or any of the other Admins or Writers see a need for a reply, they will - they're quite good that way, and fairly active on the forums.

As for the girl, of course feelings come and go, even intense ones. Maybe especially intense ones. There's a tons of articles on here about how girls react emotionally not logically, and about autorejection and missed escalation windows.

But, generally, when you re-read your own post, does this girl not sound like a million miles of bad road? 37 with a young kid. Still married and living with the husband. Professing soul-mate-type status damn near instantly regarding 2 different guys who are not her husband.
 

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zer01ne,

I'm more curious about the other guy/lost feelings aspect - how can that happen, someone returns into your life and you forget all the feelings you had for someone else, is that possible? Or is that even true?

Yoda was pretty much on the mark with this one, so I didn't initially feel any need to reply. The way to a woman's heart is through sex, and that is pretty much the premise of this entire website. Any feelings you think a girl might have had for you if you haven't had sex with her are nowhere near as powerful as the feelings she would have if you did have sex with her. Anything she says before sex (and sometimes even after sex) is just her way of maintaining as much control of the situation as she can. I won't go into much more detail here since all of this can be answered by reading through the articles, but I will link you to the best article on this website that pretty much describes the foundation our understanding and actions:


Also, you might want to take the Girls Chase Quiz to see how much you really know about women. Following the quiz, you will be linked to very helpful articles that will explain in more detail some of the concepts that you might be struggling with accepting and/or understanding.

Anything I can do to find out or reverse it?

If you can still manage to meet up with her and find a way to sleep with her, then it is possible. But if she's completely avoiding meeting up with you at this point, then it's probably a lost cause (because she no longer views you as a strong, dominant, sexy man who will give her sex). Remember, you can blame the circumstances on the situation or her, but in reality, it's completely up to you to find a way to get her alone and escalate toward sex with her. If the office just didn't feel like it would have been safe enough, then it would have been better to meet up with her at a time and place where you could safely do it.

They probably get a ton of messages and don't like to be bothered by everyone, but I think my case is somewhat out of the ordinary and they might actually be interested in it.

Actually, this is probably the most common case we get on this website (and the forum):

  • "Help! I really liked this girl and she really liked me, but we haven't had sex yet. Now she suddenly isn't into me anymore -- what do I do?!"

That's why this website exists. ;)

- Franco
 

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luego said:
As for the girl, of course feelings come and go, even intense ones. Maybe especially intense ones. There's a tons of articles on here about how girls react emotionally not logically, and about autorejection and missed escalation windows
I've read the one about autorejection, and I don't think that's what's happening here. Read some of the escalation window and emotional thinking ones as well, might have to re-read them again. Haven't yet found an article that would more closely match my case, if such an article exists, and someone knows where, I'd appreciate a link. Will keep digging in the meantime.

luego said:
Professing soul-mate-type status damn near instantly regarding 2 different guys who are not her husband.
She thinks I am her soulmate. She does not think that about the other guy, she's simply crazy about her as a guy with more intense feelings then what she had in our case. And no, with me, it was not instant. After all, we've known and liked each other for more than 20 years, although it is true that we've only really gotten to know each other really deeply about two months ago. Somehow, that happened very fast. Very long conversations for days, throughout the day and into the night. The husband, they're really only still together because of the child and the stability, there is no romantic love there anymore.

Franco said:
If you can still manage to meet up with her and find a way to sleep with her, then it is possible. But if she's completely avoiding meeting up with you at this point, then it's probably a lost cause (because she no longer views you as a strong, dominant, sexy man who will give her sex). Remember, you can blame the circumstances on the situation or her, but in reality, it's completely up to you to find a way to get her alone and escalate toward sex with her. If the office just didn't feel like it would have been safe enough, then it would have been better to meet up with her at a time and place where you could safely do it.
I think I can still meet up with her. If I set it up as a romantic meeting, she won't come right now, I'm sure of that. I got a present I've been planning to give to her, so that's an excuse for a 'friends' meeting, and I hope I'll be able to turn it around. Unfortunately I can't invite her to my place now, she'd instantly realize why I want that. It might have to be the office, and if things go really-really well, we could just lock the door. I think she still sees me as a confident and sexy man. The question, with her stating she no longer having romantic feelings for me, will she allow me to even kiss her again? But I have to give it a chance.

I've read tons of articles on this site, but not the one you linked. I think I'm somewhere between Pete and Jerry from the story. We did move fast, but I respected that she didn't want to sleep with me the first time she was at my place as she has never cheated on her husband before and that is probably a very big step for a married woman, even if in a dysfunctional marriage. We did get a bit physical, but I felt like trying to do anything more would be forcing it on her and I didn't want that. Maybe that was a mistake, I don't know.

I don't believe that having sex fast is the key in all cases, maybe it is in most cases, but I think there will always be exceptions. Then again, I don't have as much experience as you guys do, maybe it's simpler than what I think.

I really do appreciate the responses, and if anyone else thinks you can add to this discussion, please do so.

One more thing I'd like to know: until we meet, when we're chatting, are there any topics I should completely avoid / topics I should emphasize on?
 
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