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KJ Francis

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Fetlife's pretty funny. I signed up while traveling, sent the opener to around a dozen women, and got two responses. One panned out. You want HB7-10? This is LSE3-5. I would not recommend this website for most people.



Me: Hello, I am visiting (her city) and recently have been working on a draft agreement to use back home. Let me know if you are interested in meeting for a coffee? I would like to run it by you and get thoughts from a woman's perspective.

Her: Draft agreement ? I would have to know a little about what you are talking about. Also about you as you have a pretty blank profile. Please elaborate. (Signed her name)

Me: Hi (her name),
It is essentially a Master/slave agreement, focused on enforcement of working toward her goals. For example, healthy living, regular routines, etc. It could be literally anything small though... Whatever could benefit from discipline. Let me know what else you'd like to know.
-Francis

Her: You just want a brainstorm session to help you acquire an agreement for a slave?We can meet for coffee. I’d also like to see a photo of you to know what you look like

Me: (sent photo)

Her: Ok

Me: What's your free time like today? Yes I would like you to read it and let me know if anything stands out to you as an area that would not work or needs editing. And of course to spend some time getting to know you. If we click, even better, though I'd like to probe your mind a little.

Her: I am unavailable today my dads birthday

Me: Oh nice. I will still be around tomorrow

Her: Ok

Me: If you are occupied all day and night, I can shoot you a message here in the morning to arrange, or just send me your number to text.

Her: Nice thanks (sent number)

Me: Good morning (her name), I hope you enjoyed the celebration last night. Let me know what your free time's like today and let's get that coffee or something.

Her: Hi Francis, let's meet for coffee.

Me: What area are you around? I can come to your place if that's easier. Then we can talk openly

Her: I prefer not to have people over without meeting first. I can meet you. What area?

Me: Oh ok I understand. I'm staying at (place). How about let's sit in the lounge on the couches. It's very quiet.

Her: I'm trying to think of a place

Me: I am surprised! You seemed quite adventurous

Her: I am. But it's far. Come over. Bring coffee. We can sit outdoors.

Me: Great, send me your address. I will bring iced coffee

Her: Caramel in mine ;) (sends address)

Me: Since you are being so trusting! I'll indulge you ;) I'll see you in a little over 20

Her: (laugh emoji) Ok

When she said bring coffee I immediately thought of Franco saying she will always test for subservience early. I said yes because my original ask was to meet for coffee, so I saw coming over for coffee as adding to the plausible deniability of the frame of meeting to discuss the draft (which was not for her, which is preselection). I did not see a way to reject it and preserve social decency. When I got there she was drinking her own coffee and did not drink hers, so this was definitely a failed test. I did not acknowledge it whatsoever.

Written fast soon after: Pulled up and she opened the door as I was walking up. Sat and chatted for a while about her experience growing up training to be a minister and how it caused her to rebel from an early age. Still, she lost her virginity in a long marriage. 40 year old widow. Found kink two years ago and now her page is full of videos of her sucking cock at group sex parties. She has a standing order for STD tests and works in a doctor's office. Nice lady. Went through the kink agreement (not for her) and she made some minor handwritten notes. Overall pretty positive.

She randomly went and got her little suitcase and proceeded to show me at least two dozen sex toys one by one that she uses on to peg submissive men, etc. I asked if she was trying to arouse me (by showing her toys... I am not at all into pegging or anything approaching that dynamic whatdoever) and she said if she wanted to arouse me she would "do this" and starting softly kissing my neck. She climbed on top of me and I pulled her shirt up. Her roommates came home (a couple). They made a quick comment about having met other friends of hers that way and went to the backyard. I had gone right into deep diving about her kink awakening upon arrival, and she mentioned around this point that she does not usually open up about herself so much and she purposefully flipped into asking about me to deflect it. She said she was very comfortable opening up to me and that I was very easy to talk to.

Her roommates went out to walk the dog soon after. I proposed we go to her room to keep "talking" so we don't get interrupted again when they return. She said ok and then asked about my work and siblings, which I interpreted as the most basic getting to know me questions since she knew nothing about me whatsoever and clearly needed some level of that, so I indulged her quickly. We went in her room and she kept calling me Master Francis. At one point she said she does not suck dick without reciprocation. After she came a few times she said she wanted to suck my cock and went at it for a while to try to entice me to stay over. This was like 1pm to 4:30pm.

I think a big part of why she came easily was we kissed and cuddled a lot around the middle. Almost every woman I have fucked in the last long while likes to cuddle. It causes a lot of happy bonding chemicals and increases immersion. I do not think you can do this unless you have had hard sex and adapted missionary combines these at once for efficiency! I mostly fucked her from behind though, and actually was not kinky with her.

I am in a terrible emotional space at the moment, and I realized it is essentially low testosterone from things ending with a main partner, majorly cutting back on THC so there is no more continual spike of happy chemicals to now readjust from, severe lack of sleep, and switching to a very clean diet that has made me underweight. I am on my way to squat and deadlift.

I realized this is why I have been letting countless approach opportunities (not just invitations) go by, since I do not have that risk taking spirit flowing through my veins anymore.
 

KJ Francis

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@Bismarck I truly appreciate your nomination! I do not deserve it yet. @Hue you're killing it. Any tips for climbing out of slumps?

@Skills did punisher get banned? I like his guide and have pretty light kink experience. I don't know if he hacked white knighting into fixer upper game or what. I think I am going to reserve most judgement until I can seduce much hotter women from cold approach and introduce more inexperienced women to it. I have met some women with lay counts likely in the triple digits. Some are truly beautiful people but there seems to always be trauma involved. This stuff seems to ideally involve a lot of connection between partners over time and I do not want to take that on.
 

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Oh and I did send my photo with every message after. It was a screecap from a birthday video I was in for my grandma haha I have literally never taken a selfie and have always avoided cameras. It is a huge reason for my historical low odds online game. I am surprised every day at the quality of women who give me approach invitations now that I'm looking for them.

I think the friendly cold approaches I have done have benefitted from eye contact that projects a little sexual intent. Reading some 60YOC really helped to understand that sexual tension exists naturally and you have to more get out of your own way by doing less (wu wei). And that opening is screening, rejection is mandatory and even welcomed to get girls out of your way so you can find the one that clicks.
 

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@Bismarck I truly appreciate your nomination! I do not deserve it yet. @Hue you're killing it. Any tips for climbing out of slumps?

@Skills did punisher get banned? I like his guide and have pretty light kink experience. I don't know if he hacked white knighting into fixer upper game or what. I think I am going to reserve most judgement until I can seduce much hotter women from cold approach and introduce more inexperienced women to it. I have met some women with lay counts likely in the triple digits. Some are truly beautiful people but there seems to always be trauma involved. This stuff seems to ideally involve a lot of connection between partners over time and I do not want to take that on.
I think he got banned yes ..
 

KJ Francis

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This might be one of the oddest LRs I’ve read in a long time.

Good job?
Lol I'll take it. Soon after reading Chase's book, I was devouring the mindsets and concepts behind everything. This quickly led to discussions of harems from Ricardus and all that.

It seemed so obvious that I needed a baseline of sexual access to eliminate the neediness and date from a position of abundance. So I highly recommend guys get a few girls in the stable so they aren't fucking up their dates with girls they really want.

My first half of lays are mostly geographically inaccessible now, but out of 22 lays since 2023, I still have access to about 10 of them. One is without fail available in the manner you would order up a pizza, and I do not think you could do that with a girl who has options. From here I want to go for my dream girls, quality over quantity. But getting some really weird experiences has been so eye opening.
 

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@Hue Yeah it was funny. A few girls have shown me how their fetlife inboxes are full of thirsty guys. I'm not really into the kink scene so am not going to compete on dom experience.

So it was am exercise in plausible deniability. If you look up the kink guide thread here by the user punisher, it's pretty good. I made simple outline based on it and may use it to encourage girls to keep fit in the future, with better operant conditioning.

I grew up with a stutter. It wasn't that long ago that I had a hard time talking to even unattractive women taken my order at restaurants and such. Day game cold approach is a pretty big challenge for me so I have gotten a lot of lays online going direct to the woman's place by showing online I am trustworthy and wanting to have conversations.


Go ahead, laugh.
 

KJ Francis

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Here is an example of someone I've seen for over a year now, almost always in the back seat of my car for about 15 minutes then left. She has never once not been available immediately when I text her in the evenings.

Just so you can see the benefit of lowering your standards a little.

I have not watched porn or masturbated at all in several years. I could not have laid my hotter partners if I had shown up on the dates being too needy for release.

Her: Well I'm out of commission this week anyway unless you want to come by for a blowjob

Me: Ok you can do that for me and I will reward you for it another time ;)

Her: When are you available?

Me: Well if you're sitting around now already imagining it I can come by

Her: I am definitely thinking about it

Me: Ok get ready and I will see you real soon

Her: Ok Master your wish is my command 😉

Me: Ok come serve me

Her: I can't wait to have your cock in my mouth. I want to take my time and give you a really good blowjob
Omw

Her over five separate days with no answer from me:

I had such a good time playing with your cock last night. I really enjoyed sucking your dick and giving you pleasure. It really turned me on. I can hardly wait in until I can get you inside me

And yes I like reserving myself for you. And I'm not very easy to get into in the first place. So I can remain a devoted slave ready to serve and please her Master.

You may have said so and I didn't hear you but do you also like owning my body?

I want your cock inside me so bad I can barely stand it. My pussy is aching in a way that only a good fuck can fix it. I'm thinking about how good you're going to feel when I finally get you in me. I just know that I'm going to cum right away

I really like to please you and give you great sexual pleasure. I hope that I succeed.
Your cock has me under its spell. It's all I can think about right now. I want you inside me in ways you don't even know.

I just don't know what this thing I have for your cock is! You just turn me on so much. I like touching you and I really enjoy giving you blowjobs. These thoughts have got me so hot and I can't wait until I can get you inside me.

Me: You get me hard during the work day sometimes I cannot get up and walk until it goes down
I should spank you for that

Her: Sorry Master. You probably really should spank me. Your slave is horny and thinking hard on your cock.
I'm imagining you're inside me right now and feel like I'm ready to cum

Me: Ok slip your panties off and let's have a quickie

Her: Sounds good to me
I'm ready for my Master

Me: Good girl. Hang tight I'll be leaving soon

Her: Ok see you soon

Me: K 10-15

Her: Can't wait

Me: K hop in

Her: Coming Master

Her over the course of a few days again:

That was such a good fucking Master. Your cock felt so good. You get me so turned on as you can probably tell.

I'm hoping you can take me for a walk in the forest. I have a couple of fantasies I'd like to fulfill with you

I want to get down on my knees in front of my Master like a proper slave should. I want to look up at you while you watch me suck your cock. I want you to see how much I enjoy it. Then perhaps I'll get lucky and my Master will put His nice, hard dick inside me.

And just writing that turned me on because it got me thinking about that great cock of yours and how much I like it.

Can you blame a girl for wanting such a great cock? I want to give it the worship it properly deserves.
 

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She has also dropped 25 pounds without me doing anything. She simply does not want to lose me.

"Leave her better than you found her."
 

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Nice getting your beak wet, but this seems like the opposite of game.
 

KJ Francis

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Nice getting your beak wet, but this seems like the opposite of game.

It was definitely easy! What's opposite of game? Game=play? So, work? I don't think I could have done it say ten years ago without knowing some concepts.

The main one is plausible deniability (albeit with a sexual frame). Also taking the lead on logistics, moving things forward. Letting her talk 80%, always turning deep diving back to her. And chase framing, asking if she was trying to arouse me.

Also fundamentals, moving very slowly, building tension with eye contact and increasing proximity, incidental touching, fashion. Without any of that, a clueless version of me would have just messaged her asking to fuck.
 

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It was definitely easy! What's opposite of game? Game=play? So, work? I don't think I could have done it say ten years ago without knowing some concepts.

The main one is plausible deniability (albeit with a sexual frame). Also taking the lead on logistics, moving things forward. Letting her talk 80%, always turning deep diving back to her. And chase framing, asking if she was trying to arouse me.

Also fundamentals, moving very slowly, building tension with eye contact and increasing proximity, incidental touching, fashion. Without any of that, a clueless version of me would have just messaged her asking to fuck.

What is the point?

Seducing a troll makes you a fuckup-artist. Nobody cares about your +1. Doing it with technique makes it even worse.
 

KJ Francis

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What is the point?

Seducing a troll makes you a fuckup-artist. Nobody cares about your +1. Doing it with technique makes it even worse.
Well, it's skill building for me, at no expense to her. We had fun. It was lay 40 or so for me, which I consider mid-beginner.

She wasn't a 3 or 4... Maybe a 6. She was a little overweight but she was pretty. I meant in general the website is full of low self esteem women with a bit to be desired. I have seen that sentiment echoed on Pablo's GC article on bdsm (to rather introduce hotter girls to it). The other long text example I posted was someone else, met on facebook. I was just showing that there are opportunities out there for guys who want to get their feet wet for early momentum, and abundance for implied preelection that carries over to other girls in how you carry yourself.

There are a lot of younger lurkers on this site trying to learn. Seeing high level LR's like warped mindless' beach one are great to read and learn from, but it's more like watching the Olympics and taking in some key elements of someone super skilled, instead of checking out a local sports league and seeing it as attainable.
 

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Well, it's skill building for me, at no expense to her. We had fun. It was lay 40 or so for me, which I consider mid-beginner.

She wasn't a 3 or 4... Maybe a 6. She was a little overweight but she was pretty. I meant in general the website is full of low self esteem women with a bit to be desired. I have seen that sentiment echoed on Pablo's GC article on bdsm (to rather introduce hotter girls to it). The other long text example I posted was someone else, met on facebook. I was just showing that there are opportunities out there for guys who want to get their feet wet for early momentum, and abundance for implied preelection that carries over to other girls in how you carry yourself.

There are a lot of younger lurkers on this site trying to learn. Seeing high level LR's like warped mindless' beach one are great to read and learn from, but it's more like watching the Olympics and taking in some key elements of someone super skilled, instead of checking out a local sports league and seeing it as attainable.

I see you like writing. Perhaps you should have written her up as that.

> This is LSE3-5

How is this different from fucking a pig? Honestly, how is it different?

Learning from you would be like learning from Harvard. You are not a teacher in what you write, you are perhaps a teacher in what to avoid. So please keep sharing.
 

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I see you like writing. Perhaps you should have written her up as that.

> This is LSE3-5

How is this different from fucking a pig? Honestly, how is it different?

Learning from you would be like learning from Harvard. You are not a teacher in what you write, you are perhaps a teacher in what to avoid. So please keep sharing.
Oh yeah that was in reference to the site as a whole, like <50% is failure, and yes saying to avoid the website for most people. I am sure someone well versed in kink could find better opportunities there.

I played typing games as a kid so can unload a lot of words fast. So all my reports of interactions are written asap after the experience, stream of consciousness style while revisualizing the experience fresh in my mind. In this case I drove around the corner to a mall food court feeling like damn that was wild... Probably going to stay away from that site for a while... And deleted my account. Mainly because there is a lot of sexual trauma there.

If my skill level is 6.5, my game range is probably HB5.5 to 7.5, aiming to push to 8. So I am happy to analyze failures to help others avoid wasting time on the way. In my LR street to car, it is followed up with five failures cold approaching hotter girls. In all cases, I am unloading the detail and posting logs to identify improvement points. I assume you guys have a hidden elder forum section. I would prefer we had ten times the reports here, full of fuckup artists like a github bug report page.
 

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> fog
Oh yeah that was in reference to the site as a whole, like <50% is failure, and yes saying to avoid the website for most people. I am sure someone well versed in kink could find better opportunities there.

I played typing games as a kid so can unload a lot of words fast. So all my reports of interactions are written asap after the experience, stream of consciousness style while revisualizing the experience fresh in my mind. In this case I drove around the corner to a mall food court feeling like damn that was wild... Probably going to stay away from that site for a while... And deleted my account. Mainly because there is a lot of sexual trauma there.

If my skill level is 6.5, my game range is probably HB5.5 to 7.5, aiming to push to 8. So I am happy to analyze failures to help others avoid wasting time on the way. In my LR street to car, it is followed up with five failures cold approaching hotter girls. In all cases, I am unloading the detail and posting logs to identify improvement points. I assume you guys have a hidden elder forum section. I would prefer we had ten times the reports here, full of fuckup artists like a github bug report page.
I love arguing on the Internet.

Can we slide into the DMs?
 

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> fog

I love arguing on the Internet.

Can we slide into the DMs?
Me or @fog ?

He removed his sad face lol

I don't see the point of arguing privately. I see the benefit of people challenging each other with the goal of achieving new insights to improve our mindsets to ultimately get better results that everyone can gain from reading.
 

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Hey Francis
Have you heard of RedHotPie is that available where u are? It’s similar to FetLife I think. Swingers etc. I’ve been on it about 3 months and man it’s a shit-show! At least of the decent to hot looking range of women there 60%-70% are hookers or “sugar arrangements” .
The other 30% are in couples /married.

And there’s tons of fake profiles , scammers and TVs and assorted con-jobs.

it’s been a nightmare lol.

my advice - if you want a hottie you may have to bang some dudes hot wife/Gf w him.
seems to be the only real chance of banging a decent chick on those apps.
Im using FEELD also a bit better there try that one if it’s available. More the hippy/alternative/new sexualities crowd - chicks are way better on FEELD.

just my experience the last few months anyways.
 
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KJ Francis

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Hey Francis
Have you heard of RedHotPie is that available where u are? It’s similar to FetLife I think. Swingers etc. I’ve been on it about 3 months and man it’s a shit-show! At least of the decent to hot looking range of women there 60%-70% are hookers or “sugar arrangements” .
The other 30% are in couples /married.

And there’s tons of fake profiles , scammers and TVs and assorted con-jobs.

it’s been a nightmare lol.

my advice - if you want a hottie you may have to bang some dudes hot wife/Gf w him.
seems to be the only real chance of banging a decent chick on those apps.
Im using FEELD also a bit better there try that one if it’s available. More the hippy/alternative/new sexualities crowd - chicks are way better on FEELD.

just my experience the last few months anyways.
Hey Slayer, thanks for the tip!! Funny enough, I did learn about Feeld through this forum several months ago and got one lay from it before deleting it.

She had been a contestant on the show Jeoporady and made it on TV when Trebek was around. I went straight to her place but she had either a gross pefume or incense or something in her place that stuck even on my coat after. I didn't have the heart to tell her that her whole place reeked like ass and I didn't want to go near it again haha. She was in a "poly" relationship that was really just some guy whose wife stopped fucking him and didn't want to break up the home for his kid.

So yeah, I noticed a lot of 'intellectual' girls (monogamy=patriarchy?) and absolutely hippie/alt chicks like you said. Tons of tattoo sleeves on there. Might go back, but I need to find a solid kink resource first that is really rooted in psychology. I do a lot of deep diving, so I have a hard time especially with all this "daddy" stuff when their actual fathers were total dirtbags who may have raped them or something (sounds ignorant, but I've heard some seriously sad stories for real).

I did get some chains from the hardware store though... That can be fun.
 
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