FU Field reports, conversations without results

[Whiteheart]

Whiteheart here. I want to share few reports with you. I have many examples but it is impossible to write them all and fully detailly but here is for the beginning. If someone needs more clarification about some specific points of interaction, please write me, I will answer when I can.

Here are few representative detailed reports, how interaction went. I know that negativity was defined as main cause but I don’t show it in front of women (only what is visible through pores) and don’t approach at all when I am negative and mostly don’t interact with girls I already know.

This is example from one girl I meet online and scheduled date, let’s call her milf because she was somewhat older, where I was super positive (and she told me so in the end) but she still friend zoned me:

Whiteheart (dressed at best clothes and funny mood): Hi, nice to meet you… (We shook hands, I look her in eyes with horny vibe). Tell me you like this town, energy here makes people fly…

Milf: Hahahaa yes, it is very special.

Whiteheart: Let’s go for walk in this way, street here is less crowded. (Move her). You know I stayed in this hotel, did some naughty things, I can’t tell you it would spoil my image as good guy.

Milf: hahaha how much cost that naughty things?

Whiteheart (playfully): You suspect in my qualities… I like to earn money not to give it.

Milf (flirty): you probably made a lot of children.

Whiteheart: no that I know so far. Do you have children?

Milf(flattered): haha noo, work took me too much time.

Whiteheart: what do you do? Enlighten me.

Milf: I am X profession. Now am on post academic studies.

Whiteheart: It is pretty cool. I always though that people from X profession have special charisma. You scare people.

Milf: my sister tells me too.

Whiteheart: your sister sounds like wise women. She is probably Y profession.

Milf: no she is Z profession.

Whiteheart: of my God, that is my profession. Who would say, world is really small.

Milf: - she mentioned many experiences from her sister about work, studies and we had a lot of commonalities here.

Whiteheart: let’s sit here in this café. It is in cold. (then we talked about our summer and winter vacations, shared good and funny experiences what happened).

Whiteheart: Ok, let’s go further. I want to show you this park. (We continued talking about funny things and adventures on vacations… ) i.e. and listen that couple near my room had so hard sex, I wished to joined them honestly.

Milf: Oh, my God. Wait, you meet girls to have sex and be intimate with them. You can only get friendship from me.

Whiteheart (nonchalantly): Well, sex is natural thing, even among friends. Here is just my opinion. Anyway, if you don’t even like someone if there is good opportunity that you two are alone and he provides good sex who don’t use opportunity and enjoy in it.

Milf (stunned didn’t know what to say on this):

Whiteheart (we were in park now and I continued showing her different plants and insects in park): She was pretty resistant when I just mentioned term sex again so I switched to social talk. She earlier mentioned some life problems so I emphatically shared my opinions and mindsets): Yes, it can be pretty though but just to know life and circumstances just switch to better. And if don’t simply that is destiny and if it cruel simply higher force made it and good people often get hurt.

Milf (she started to feel comfortable again after these words and sit in concrete bench near me)

Whiteheart: give me your hand, I want to show you destiny on palm and traditional medicine that can relax you.

Milf: I don’t believe in it. Only in my work.

Whiteheart (warm and playfully): It is used for thousands of years; do you think it is by accident? After all trying new things although you don’t believe in them can make you forget all your problems.

Milf: Ok, here is my hand.

Whiteheart (I massaged her softly, and said some things based on her palms, but when I tried to kiss her slightly she pulled hand back)

Milf: No I told you I don’t want, there is a limit what we can and what can’t.

Whiteheart: Ok, let’t go back to hotel. You know, just think about what I said before about casual sex.

Milf (we are on the way back now): I can’t you remind me on my cousin.

Whiteheart (I playfully kissed her in chick): great then imagine your cousin, it can be pretty stimulating.

Milf: I can’t, I would rather die. Sex is for me emotional thing (she pretended by her eyes and face she is so innocent but I know it is just act to present herself as pure Madone). And our personalities differ.

Whiteheart (warmly): you want to say that there aren’t any emotions between us. Look, I see how you smile. Different ways of thinking shouldn’t prevent people for casual enjoy.

Milf: Yes, I like sex, just don’t want it with you. (in this point I concluded that she simply doesn’t like something in my presence – personality, boddy language, vibe although it was all perfect that day and she won’t go to bed no matter what I do)

Whiteheart: here we are, back.

Milf (she just run off into building):

Later she texted me back: you are such a positive person but you can’t get anything more. Maybe it is due to X (can’t remember exactly but again some silly excuse based on age, job, hobbies some basic thing that women who like you don’t care and those who don’t use as excuse why don’t want you). Later, she declined another date and always wrote that we will be friends without leaving any place for something else.



This is example from retail store worker on vacation:

Whiteheart: I see you have bottled water, just to tell you I am from that place where it is made.

Girl: really, that is great. We have it, it comes here every day.

Whiteheart (playfully): then it means I have to come every day to buy it… See ya…

Girl (smiled).

Next day

Whiteheart (playfully): Oh I came in right time, there isn’t much crowded in store. My water is waiting for me.

Girl (smiled) yes, yes.

Whiteheart: Do you like your job.

Girl: yes, it is pretty cool. Bla, bla, bla

Whiteheart: do you drink this water? A can beet you like alcohol more.

Girl (smile): I drink everything I can tell you.

Whiteheart: excellent, when there is your break so we can drink something together?

Girl: I don’t have any break here.

And then another older female worker, said: don’t like petty! (she was on my side and sounded that wanted me and that girl expand interaction)

Girl (went stone silent and shy and I decided it is time to go)

Whiteheart (I was leaving store)

Girl: why don’t you drink that drink in front of store

Whiteheart: I will if you will make me company.

Girl (just smiled)

Later that they I accidentally meet her again when she was on break near store and she saw me and was looking in her phone entire time without blinking or typing, just was pretending she is busy so I leave her alone. She did it entire time, nearly 10 minutes since when I entered and bought things. I wonder how much I am unattractive that someone will rather choose to persistently watch as some point for 10 minutes than to talk and date me. Then when I was leaving and turned her back she though I left definitely so she can safely move her eyes from phone, but when she did it I turned my body to her and cough her red handed.

Whiteheart (warmly, flirty): so looks like you do have break

Girl: No, no, no, I don’t have.

Whiteheart: I am just joking.

Girl: Of course.

I went after that to prepare for night out, next day left and never saw her again.


This is example from bus travel:

I will write this one shortly. We were sitting next to each other. I offered her some snacks and we start talking. I found out that she is kindergarten teacher. We shared our experiences about dealing with kids, I said few cool things about my work, made some jokes about slow bus etc. At one point when conversation was on high note I asked if we can see each other when I come to her neighborhood. She said firm no. Didn’t even dignify to give some excuse and I didn’t even want to ask for it or invest further in interaction. During the trip we the exchanged 3-4 more sentences where she found out some cool things about me. Later, we warmly greeted and I went out on my station.


Another one from another retail store worker:

Whiteheart: You are new here! Well done.

Girl: yes, pretty new I can tell.

Whiteheart (playfully): now customers will be more frequent.

Girl: thank you

Whiteheart: bye..

I meet her from time to time when I come there and in her shift. We had few conversations before I asked her out. Sometimes she first initiated.

Girl: soo you bought that cheap book.

Whiteheart: yes I like to read. It relaxes my soul. Do you?

Girl: well yes I read bla bla bla… I like religious topics, even if it isn’t from my relligion.

Whiteheart: excellent, then watch movie X. You will like it. And I will ask you about plot to see if you watched. (smile).

There were 2 minor conversations where we flirted. And then crucial one.

Whiteheart: I see you are standing too straight today. What is up? Hope star from the sky didn’t hit you.

Girl: No, my back just hurt me, too much work.

Whiteheart: You sly girl, why you didn’t tell me that immediately? I have finished courses and experience about injuries, we will go to park nearby one day and I will fix you…

Girl: I don’t know, uh huh,..

I left, there were other people waiting in line and when I asked next time she already had prepared excuses why she can’t.


In social circle/girls I am introduced to it is the same situation. We would run into each other somewhere, have conversations about everything, I would listen her responses, flirt, she would react positively, if I propose date she would make some excuse (usually super busy) and if I don’t propose she leaves filled with good emotions and without any desire to ever see me again unless we accidentally meet again somewhere. It doesn’t matter if it will be tomorrow or for the next 100 years she will react the same. Greet me super enthusiastically, have good conversation and leave.

I agree that negativity plays important role in this. However, when I am negative I don’t cold approach and barely interact with girls I already know. I know that for women there needs to be a lot of energy and passion. About 80% of my interactions with women were when I was positive or used mantra "fake it until you make it". And results were the same. Another thing that confirms that is that many girls want to talk. Besides job, I don’t have will to do anything when I am in negative mood, only positivity motivates me.

Instead, I would say that girls assume I am negative. They see my good look, eloquence, i.e. many things that lower attainability and then they automatically assume different bad things about me. Also, there is probably something in my character, I don’t know, maybe too much honesty, ambition, whatever that also make girls assuming I am negative. Simply there is that strong and clear frame in women that there can’t be anything between us beside classic friend zone.

Examples: I have heard many time "sooo nice", "boring", etc. after not even a minute of conversation. And from girls from social circle, I get it frequently when I achieve something they can’t. Or she would threat me like a shit from the time I opened my mouth. Or most frequently as I wrote above: she would friend zone me from very beginning like that milf or would find out some things in interaction that doesn’t like and cool off immediately.


@Will_V described my case well:

"If she senses something wrong with him - his personality does not project outward, he is emotionally weak, or whatever, one of two things happen: 1) her emotions swing the other way 'no! he's not my type' 'he's cute but exactly like my other friend!' etc and she begins to build her list of 'reasons' why his cock doesn't belong in her pussy. Or 2) if he continues to be sexually arousing but something makes her uncomfortable, she gets aggressive and starts shit testing, trying to make him shoot himself in the foot and take himself out of the race."

I think article/advices on how to not be perceived as negative/boring/sooo nice, etc. instead of eliminating negativity are also welcome. And about that how to change women frame that there can’t be anything sexual and romantical between us. Important disclaimer: I didn’t said that my game and conversation are perfect and I did everything perfectly in interactions with women, but I think it is good enough because I saw other guys doing the same things or even less and got magnificent, fast results.

Also, there is @Chase advice that I should find female friends. Is is great but women doesn’t want to be my friends. They want to friend zone me. That is difference. Generally, where I live, girls mostly reserved dates only for their potential fuckers so it is hard to get even friend zoned date. It doesn’ t matter if guy disqualify him as boyfriend, they just think their time is sacred and reserved only for guys who will fuck them. Only female friends I have are girls that are super similar in character and in the same time have some business benefits from me so they sometimes go to drink with me or if I make some party…

 

[Will_V]

Well done on writing up some field reports!

Whiteheart: Let’s go for walk in this way, street here is less crowded. (Move her). You know I stayed in this hotel, did some naughty things, I can’t tell you it would spoil my image as good guy.

This is not too bad, depending on how you delivered it. But it's a little forced - telling her straight up you did 'naughty' things in a hotel, and then implying that you had a good guy image to keep, comes on pretty strong and could easily get awkward.

Something like:
You: "I spent a memorable night in that hotel" cheeky smile.
She: "Memorable? Why?"
You: "Hmm I'll tell you some other time .. blah blah something else"

Point is, it could have been memorable for all kinds of reasons, but she's obviously going to start imagining the dirtiest possibility.

Whiteheart (playfully): You suspect in my qualities… I like to earn money not to give it.

Again sounds like an awkward play. I know you want it to sound dominant/strong but it comes across as defensive.

Also, you began by talking about the hotel to get her thinking about 'naughty' things and warm her up, yet here you are semi-arguing about the cost of things. I know you wanted it to be playful, but there's a grain of truth to every joke, and the entire topic of money is something to be avoided altogether.

Not to mention that her awkward question about how much money you spend (which was digging about your financial situation) should have been shut down with a playfully ridiculous, nonsensical answer, instead of giving her any reason to continue thinking about it. You could have just told her 'Nothing, I just use my contacts' and wink.

Milf (flirty): you probably made a lot of children.

Whiteheart: no that I know so far. Do you have children?

Good answer.

Sounds like you did a good job after that of building some rapport, but then:

Whiteheart: Ok, let’s go further. I want to show you this park. (We continued talking about funny things and adventures on vacations… ) i.e. and listen that couple near my room had so hard sex, I wished to joined them honestly.

Wait, did you tell her that you wanted to go and join a random couple having sex? If so, that's a pretty awkward thing to say out of the blue. Unless you came across as a very wild, extroverted and sexually open guy (which certainly doesn't seem to be the case) it's going to be very incongruent.

Milf: Oh, my God. Wait, you meet girls to have sex and be intimate with them. You can only get friendship from me.

Sounds like she realized you only mentioned joining your randy neighbours to get her onto the topic of sex and start leading her to the bedroom, and immediately got defensive. Not surprising, since she probably didn't believe you were the type anyway to actually want to do it.

Whiteheart (nonchalantly): Well, sex is natural thing, even among friends. Here is just my opinion. Anyway, if you don’t even like someone if there is good opportunity that you two are alone and he provides good sex who don’t use opportunity and enjoy in it.

You cannot start justifying anything immediately after a rejection/pushback. You have to go back to comfort, rapport, she has to see that you realized 'oh I mis-stepped there, I don't want her to feel uncomfortable'. Justifying it sounds like you are not accepting her choice not to have sex.

Even worse, during your justification you imply that she might not like you but she should still bang anyway. How do you think that's going to make her feel?

The only good move here is to say something that removes all pressure, even if it's completely silly, and change topics asap, like "I don't like sex either .. blah blah something else".

I'm not surprised that she was 'stunned' at this point, she got bombarded with direct pressure to sleep with you.

Whiteheart (we were in park now and I continued showing her different plants and insects in park):

Not the best topic in the world, try to keep things focused on experiences/feelings rather than details and things.

She was pretty resistant when I just mentioned term sex again so I switched to social talk.

Not surprising given what happened before! Good move to switch back to social stuff.

She earlier mentioned some life problems so I emphatically shared my opinions and mindsets): Yes, it can be pretty though but just to know life and circumstances just switch to better. And if don’t simply that is destiny and if it cruel simply higher force made it and good people often get hurt.

Milf (she started to feel comfortable again after these words and sit in concrete bench near me)

See how she enjoys hearing you talk about experiences/feelings/emotional stuff? That's the right way to relate to her. Whenever something works well, keep doing it.

Whiteheart: give me your hand, I want to show you destiny on palm and traditional medicine that can relax you.

Milf: I don’t believe in it. Only in my work.

Whiteheart (warm and playfully): It is used for thousands of years; do you think it is by accident? After all trying new things although you don’t believe in them can make you forget all your problems.

Milf: Ok, here is my hand.

This is fine but is a form of physical escalation and should be done on a high note. I'm not sure she was ready yet for what came next.

Whiteheart (I massaged her softly, and said some things based on her palms, but when I tried to kiss her slightly she pulled hand back)

Did you try to kiss her hand or her lips? Kissing a girl's hand is a pretty subservient thing symbolically, unless it's very theatrical and silly. Stick to incidental touch, eye contact, proximity, built up over time instead of trying to push some big physical escalation out of the blue.

Milf: No I told you I don’t want, there is a limit what we can and what can’t.

She resists here. Depending on how she was behaving, you could have simply agreed that you wouldn't have sex and kept holding her hand and smiling, changed topics a little and removed the negative pressure, but kept up the sexual tension.

Whiteheart: Ok, let’t go back to hotel. You know, just think about what I said before about casual sex.

BANG! Shot yourself in the foot here. You are now chasing hard, and trying to convince her to have sex with you while she resists. This is not seduction, it's pursuit.

Milf (we are on the way back now): I can’t you remind me on my cousin.

Whiteheart (I playfully kissed her in chick): great then imagine your cousin, it can be pretty stimulating.

Why on earth say that? You don't know who her cousin is. Maybe he molested her or something. Don't encourage her to associate you with someone you don't know.

Also, it's pretty awkward to suggest to her to think about her cousin to get horny.

Milf: I can’t, I would rather die. Sex is for me emotional thing (she pretended by her eyes and face she is so innocent but I know it is just act to present herself as pure Madone). And our personalities differ.

Instead of thinking she was 'acting' maybe listen to what she says. Basically, she was telling you 'I need to feel emotionally aroused, and you aren't doing it'. She is starting to justify not doing anything with you, yet still she is narrating her own issues with sleeping with you, and giving you a chance to deal with them. Worth a shot (again, by creating comfort, building rapport, and gently easing the conversation toward non-awkward sexual topics) but probably way too late by now.

Whiteheart (warmly): you want to say that there aren’t any emotions between us. Look, I see how you smile. Different ways of thinking shouldn’t prevent people for casual enjoy.

Milf: Yes, I like sex, just don’t want it with you. (in this point I concluded that she simply doesn’t like something in my presence – personality, boddy language, vibe although it was all perfect that day and she won’t go to bed no matter what I do)

More justification/pressure from you, more resistance from her, and basically a direct and emphatic 'no!'. Game over.

Whiteheart: here we are, back.

Milf (she just run off into building):

There you go, she was feeling uncomfortable a long time, and only then got her opportunity to leave.

Later she texted me back: you are such a positive person but you can’t get anything more. Maybe it is due to X (can’t remember exactly but again some silly excuse based on age, job, hobbies some basic thing that women who like you don’t care and those who don’t use as excuse why don’t want you). Later, she declined another date and always wrote that we will be friends without leaving any place for something else.

So she liked you, but you made things far too awkward by being blunt and pushy, and put way too much pressure on her to sleep with you.

I'm actually surprised she texted you, but then again women are very perceptive about men and she could probably see that you were just trying to get laid and weren't a weird or aggressive guy.

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The good news is that the problems can be fixed with good technique. Women like you, but it appears you don't know how to calibrate with sexual topics, or how to escalate without applying too much pressure and getting pushy.

Here are the main points:

• Whenever you see resistance or anxiety in a woman, it's time to release pressure, go back to being warm and pausing the escalation until you know what's wrong. Don't keep pushing.
• Warming her up to the topic of sex is something you do slowly in the form of conversation/questions/telling stories, not with some sudden introduction of an sexual topic out of the blue. You're curious about her, you're trying to find out about who she is, what she likes etc, not just put sexual images in her mind. That immediately makes her think "why would he bring that up? oh he wants to get me horny".
• Never justify yourself during an escalation, especially after a rejection. If she's just rejected you it's because she feels uncomfortable, she's certainly not going to want to listen to you telling her why she should sleep with you even if she doesn't like you, that makes her feel way more uncomfortable still.
• Use eye contact, incidental touch (on her arm, leg if she's sitting etc), a warm and low voice tone, etc to get her horny, not by some big physical gesture of desire. It's something she should feel but not really know where it's coming from.

Lastly, I may be wrong but you come across as someone who is able to understand and apply basic techniques, but perhaps have trouble reading other people's emotions and calibrating/timing things properly. If you think this article might apply to you, it will help you a lot.

 

[Whiteheart]

Well done on writing up some field reports!



This is not too bad, depending on how you delivered it. But it's a little forced - telling her straight up you did 'naughty' things in a hotel, and then implying that you had a good guy image to keep, comes on pretty strong and could easily get awkward.

Something like:
You: "I spent a memorable night in that hotel" cheeky smile.
She: "Memorable? Why?"
You: "Hmm I'll tell you some other time .. blah blah something else"

Point is, it could have been memorable for all kinds of reasons, but she's obviously going to start imagining the dirtiest possibility.



Again sounds like an awkward play. I know you want it to sound dominant/strong but it comes across as defensive.

Also, you began by talking about the hotel to get her thinking about 'naughty' things and warm her up, yet here you are semi-arguing about the cost of things. I know you wanted it to be playful, but there's a grain of truth to every joke, and the entire topic of money is something to be avoided altogether.

Not to mention that her awkward question about how much money you spend (which was digging about your financial situation) should have been shut down with a playfully ridiculous, nonsensical answer, instead of giving her any reason to continue thinking about it. You could have just told her 'Nothing, I just use my contacts' and wink.



Good answer.

Sounds like you did a good job after that of building some rapport, but then:



Wait, did you tell her that you wanted to go and join a random couple having sex? If so, that's a pretty awkward thing to say out of the blue. Unless you came across as a very wild, extroverted and sexually open guy (which certainly doesn't seem to be the case) it's going to be very incongruent.



Sounds like she realized you only mentioned joining your randy neighbours to get her onto the topic of sex and start leading her to the bedroom, and immediately got defensive. Not surprising, since she probably didn't believe you were the type anyway to actually want to do it.

This is true, that is point of all my threads previous and now. Women simply doesn't see me as someone who should pursuit sex and someone who should get it (especially with them) and get suspicious and combative when conversation goes even slightly in that direction.

You cannot start justifying anything immediately after a rejection/pushback. You have to go back to comfort, rapport, she has to see that you realized 'oh I mis-stepped there, I don't want her to feel uncomfortable'. Justifying it sounds like you are not accepting her choice not to have sex.

Even worse, during your justification you imply that she might not like you but she should still bang anyway. How do you think that's going to make her feel?

The only good move here is to say something that removes all pressure, even if it's completely silly, and change topics asap, like "I don't like sex either .. blah blah something else".

I'm not surprised that she was 'stunned' at this point, she got bombarded with direct pressure to sleep with you.



Not the best topic in the world, try to keep things focused on experiences/feelings rather than details and things.



Not surprising given what happened before! Good move to switch back to social stuff.



See how she enjoys hearing you talk about experiences/feelings/emotional stuff? That's the right way to relate to her. Whenever something works well, keep doing it.

This is fine but is a form of physical escalation and should be done on a high note. I'm not sure she was ready yet for what came next.



Did you try to kiss her hand or her lips? Kissing a girl's hand is a pretty subservient thing symbolically, unless it's very theatrical and silly. Stick to incidental touch, eye contact, proximity, built up over time instead of trying to push some big physical escalation out of the blue.

In fact, yes I did, near lips, neck, but she resisted. Yes, gave her 100% proximity, just saw from her eye contact that she does’t care then decided to go for hard push because I realized there is nothing I can lose.

She resists here. Depending on how she was behaving, you could have simply agreed that you wouldn't have sex and kept holding her hand and smiling, changed topics a little and removed the negative pressure, but kept up the sexual tension.



BANG! Shot yourself in the foot here. You are now chasing hard, and trying to convince her to have sex with you while she resists. This is not seduction, it's pursuit.

Yes, in the end I pushed hard, there was some articles about hard push especially in the end where things are going to slip away anyway. I wouldn’t get her anyway. As you saw she just enjoyed talk about emotional and social stuff in order to collect some new friends. In the end I realized that date goes for too long and that I tried everything from my arsenal from emotional, social to sexual. I knew that I should switch to something else then return but really there wasn't point. I know that even more experienced seducers give up. Simply her frame was that she doen't want and I decided it is better to acompany her back in hotel, maybe try something on the way there and leave. Better then she told me by herself that wants to end date.

Why on earth say that? You don't know who her cousin is. Maybe he molested her or something. Don't encourage her to associate you with someone you don't know.

Also, it's pretty awkward to suggest to her to think about her cousin to get horny.



Instead of thinking she was 'acting' maybe listen to what she says. Basically, she was telling you 'I need to feel emotionally aroused, and you aren't doing it'. She is starting to justify not doing anything with you, yet still she is narrating her own issues with sleeping with you, and giving you a chance to deal with them. Worth a shot (again, by creating comfort, building rapport, and gently easing the conversation toward non-awkward sexual topics) but probably way too late by now.

Yes, this is true. But the thing is I interacted (talked, moved her) about 2+ hours before this. She simply wasn't turned on no matter how conversation was interesting and how much I asked for compliance. This is report about conversation, I didn't write about compliance and asked it a lot (and got it) during verbal interaction.

More justification/pressure from you, more resistance from her, and basically a direct and emphatic 'no!'. Game over.



There you go, she was feeling uncomfortable a long time, and only then got her opportunity to leave.



So she liked you, but you made things far too awkward by being blunt and pushy, and put way too much pressure on her to sleep with you.

She didn't, I swear. She just wanted to present herself as pure saint that may like me so I could pursue her further. What I have realised is that a lot of women use this tactics. They realised that guys won't wilingfully be in their friend zone so they give some signs of interest to make guy to try further while they are getting their time with him. Similar to attention whoring, just that these girls want more sophisticated relationship.

I'm actually surprised she texted you, but then again women are very perceptive about men and she could probably see that you were just trying to get laid and weren't a weird or aggressive guy.

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The good news is that the problems can be fixed with good technique. Women like you, but it appears you don't know how to calibrate with sexual topics, or how to escalate without applying too much pressure and getting pushy.

Here are the main points:

• Whenever you see resistance or anxiety in a woman, it's time to release pressure, go back to being warm and pausing the escalation until you know what's wrong. Don't keep pushing.
• Warming her up to the topic of sex is something you do slowly in the form of conversation/questions/telling stories, not with some sudden introduction of an sexual topic out of the blue. You're curious about her, you're trying to find out about who she is, what she likes etc, not just put sexual images in her mind. That immediately makes her think "why would he bring that up? oh he wants to get me horny".
• Never justify yourself during an escalation, especially after a rejection. If she's just rejected you it's because she feels uncomfortable, she's certainly not going to want to listen to you telling her why she should sleep with you even if she doesn't like you, that makes her feel way more uncomfortable still.
• Use eye contact, incidental touch (on her arm, leg if she's sitting etc), a warm and low voice tone, etc to get her horny, not by some big physical gesture of desire. It's something she should feel but not really know where it's coming from.

Lastly, I may be wrong but you come across as someone who is able to understand and apply basic techniques, but perhaps have trouble reading other people's emotions and calibrating/timing things properly. If you think this article might apply to you, it will help you a lot.

Thanks a lot. These given main points in the end will help me. It is experience. It is true that my game isn’t perfect but frustrates me I have to do everything right every time to get her. I know guys who belched during escalation and have herd for guys farted during sex and still get girls. And guys who were dead silent, drunk just touching girls and got them. And guys who were just talking about most ordinary, dry topics and had regular sex just because they were horny in presence of that girl. I don’t write here about sluts but regular girls. I went to psychologists long before this, did different tests and they didn’t find autism in me. In fact, I am too sensitive guy, detect even slightest mood change. It is true that I sometimes can be difficult, stubborn and unsocial but I am aware of it (autistic people are not). I don’t know how good at calibration I am, but I clearly sense other people’s mood and intentions just like other normal people. Hope my next post will be how I finally got some girl. Cheers!

 

[Mr STIF]

I read your detailed field report I could get the vibe that you're coming off too strong, thereby being uncalibrated. Pushing too hard at the wrong times and going for the big moves- all at once. Instead of one big blow why not try baby steps and crawl your way to the big move.

Learn to test the waters, see where your target is at: emotionally, physically and psychologically at the moment then take baby steps until calibration and chemistry syncs with the moment allowing nature to play it's part in the seduction process.

But it's good that you're pushing too hard, coming out of your platonic shell and not ashamed to get sexy. Platonic, shy, boring are all beginner problems. You're pushing hard to get out of your platonic shell but once you're no more shy you've got to drop the idea of "pushing too hard" and try to go for calibration and smoothness. This is what the advanced seducers are- calibrated and smooth; and they all passed through this stage you're passing through.
@Chase told you to make female friends, spend more time with them, get in their heads and understand the female mind. For it is only in doing so that you'll understand them and how to navigate sexual conversations and dynamics.

Note: learn to test the waters, check where your target is at. Once you get the sign that everything is going according to plan then continue leading the seduction to your desired destination.

There will be times you don't need to baby step things or follow your process. When you get a feel that baby stepping isn't necessary then by all means step on the accelerator and fast forward the seduction to your destination. But only if you get a feel otherwise keep testing and baby stepping all the way.

If things are not going your way, take break from escalation build more rapport and emotions. Push-pull is what seduction and life is all about. It means sometimes we go back to go forward, learn to apply this so you'll be smooth and allow nature or the universe (least effort) take it's part in the seduction. Two steps forward one step backwards, we pull in order to push. We go backwards in other to go forward. If you keep going forward without pausing or going backwards you might crash(very high probability)

Please get more female friends too so you'll understand the female mind better. You're doing well brother you're playing the fields that's where your subconscious mind will learn the most. Your experiences are your own best teacher, most of the time.

Mr Stif