Finding out she has a Boyfriend (frame tactics)

[Just_Dave]

Just Dave here,

The primer:

I'm launching my own series called "Frame Tactics", I saw a comment recently asking is there any other lines than "Are you single?". People complain about it coming off as creepy or too rehearsed. Both devestating problems for seduction!!

The Frame: I use this a couple times a day, it weeds out bad prospects

Cashier: Hey! *nervous*
Dave: Hey Happy New Year!
Cashier: Thanks same to you!
Dave: How was your holiday?
Cashier: really good and you?
Dave: It was good, your boyfriend get you anything nice? "The Frame"
Cashier: Yeah, he bought me some Jordans

The Breakdown: Okay Dave, so you knew she had a boyfriend, whatever!
Actually I really didn't, however I framed it as if she did and she'll either do one of two things
1. Tell you what her boyfriend did/does
2. Say, "I don't have a boyfriend" this is where you go in for the kill

Added notes: What this does
1. Doesn't show your own interest at all
2. Let's you know whether or not she has a boyfriend

Example: When she doesn't have a boyfriend, used on my current girlfriend
When we first met
Girl: *looking intensely at Dave*
Dave: You should stop looking at me like that
Girl: *confused* why?
Dave: Your boyfriend might get jealous
Girl: I don't have a boyfriend
Dave: *Goes in for close*

Conclusion:
The execution is very simple and to frame it is even easier. All you really need is confidence, I use within minutes of first meeting the girl these days. You can weed out so many girls and move on too so many more prospects. You can also leave a warm feeling on the girl by actually caring about someone as important as her boyfriend. If she has a boyfriend just excuse yourself within a couple seconds.

Another time,

Just Dave

 

[The Tool]

Excellent post Dave, I always take something away from your writings.Because the "are you single" line has worked for me I would not have thought of this. I shall start trying this out.
Cheers, The Tool

 

[PinotNoir]

Something funny I just thought of to try after reading this...

...(blah)...
Me: "Won't your girlfriend get jealous of you looking at me like that?"
Girl: "Hey, I'm not gay!"
Me: "Prove it: let's go on a date." or... "Yeah, right... *narrow eyes in disbelief*... Let's go out then."

I think this will just get you slapped though...

I'll definitely try the boyfriend remark next time I get a chance; it sounds better than "Are you single?"

The biggest thing I forget: "So what college you go/went to?" I always forget to ask girls that if I think they're too young (i.e., high school), and then I end up not talking to them at all because I think they're too young (it can be hard to tell these days).

 

[Just_Dave]

@Tool,

Thanks for the kind words Tool, let me know how that works out. I also have some updates to share with you over on your college game post. Some things that you may find very ground breaking with "Two Birds".

@Pinot

Done right it would actually come off as teasing, you'd only get slapped if you over did it. Either way let me know how it works out and tweak it as much as possible. About the college comment yes that is a good filtering technique. Sometimes you may get comments here or there about how they may haven't attended college. It depends on their situation.

 

[The Tool]

I also have some updates to share with you over on your college game post. Some things that you may find very ground breaking with "Two Birds".

Awesome Dave, Cant wait till u post it up

 

[Chase]

Nice one, Dave. This looks to be an effective screen-in / screen-out tool for homing in on the girls who're going to be most receptive to you. I like the sound of it.

Chase

 

[greenjade816]

But how would continue on with the conversation. In this case, say she doesn't have a boyfriend?

Do you just go direct by showing interest or indirect direct?

 

[Just_Dave]

But how would continue on with the conversation. In this case, say she doesn't have a boyfriend?

Do you just go direct by showing interest or indirect direct?

Yes, you're going to want to start sexually framing the conversation and being flirtatious. If a girl is giving you really heavy signs that she's interested in you and she's already said she doesn't have a boyfriend. You go in for a close such as

Instant Pull: Works if she's free and doesn't have anything else going on
Me: Good, now I don't have to worry about anyone getting jealous
Girl: It looks that way
Me: What do you have planned for the rest of the day
Girl: Not much really
Me: Let's go on an adventure, I know a cool spot to just relax
Girl: Okay!

Date at a later time: if she's busy
Me: Good, now I don't have to worry about anyone getting jealous
Girl: It looks that way
Me: What do you have planned for the rest of the day
Girl: I gotta go do blah blah blah
Me: I see, when are you free within the next few days to grab a drink
Girl: I'm free this Saturday
Me: Okay let's meet for drinks here at 4PM, sound good?
Girl: Sounds great!
Me: Let me grab your number to text of the day of
Girl: Sure!
*exchange numbers continue talking and such*
Me: Okay Sam, it good meeting ya. I'll see you Saturday
Girl: Same to you, and I can't wait

 

[greenjade816]

thanks for the insights Dave! much appreciated!

Jengjay

 

[Just_Dave]

thanks for the insights Dave! much appreciated!

Jengjay

Anytime, don't be afraid to stop by again and let me know how it worked out for you!

Just Dave

 

[johnydones]

i used "You should stop looking at me like that" many times , and most of the time the response was great, but some girls would say something like :

"Well , i will not look at you anymore"
or
"I was not looking at you "

I try to pick her nonverbals here and see if its worth going further.

How would you respond to these ?

 

[Just_Dave]

i used "You should stop looking at me like that" many times , and most of the time the response was great, but some girls would say something like :

"Well , i will not look at you anymore"
or
"I was not looking at you "

I try to pick her nonverbals here and see if its worth going further.

How would you respond to these ?

In the case "you should stop looking at me like that" I usually this line while my target is isolated and I use it as a transition to screen girls by adding or your boyfriend will get jealous . The thing about the "staring" line is it should never be used as an opener or use without setting the proper context. It's all the in the way you say and phrase things. You have to have that sexy vibe about you otherwise it will back fire and girls will say "I wasn't looking at you". It has to be linked back something, remember that your overall opener should be grounded. Which will strongly decrease the chances of backfire and problems.

Questions, comments, concerns?!

 

[Just_Dave]

Be Refreshing

No Rehearsal: Make it feel new
By rehearsing lines ahead of time, you can actually turn a girl off. You want her to feel like the you're giving her that romantic moment she's always been looking for. You don't to come off as robotic and give her the impression that you've been using these lines on every girl. The overall purpose of this frame is to give you a different approach of screening a girl who will be most receptive too you.

Some girls will talk to you just for the sake of talking, this is just a way to filter them out.

Some girls will say they have boyfriends when they really don't . . . you can use this to screen out little details to figure out if he's a myth or not.

 

[johnydones]

I agree , it worked quite ok as an opener , it only backfired 2 times so far , out of 10 or so. But it started to feel rehearsed so i will try to mix it up a bit. The vibe is much more important then what you say , you are right about that without any doubt.

-JD

 

[Just_Dave]

Different Methods

I agree , it worked quite ok as an opener , it only backfired 2 times so far , out of 10 or so. But it started to feel rehearsed so i will try to mix it up a bit. The vibe is much more important then what you say , you are right about that without any doubt.

-JD

And to be fair Johny! Different things do work for different people that's why I always tell people to make modifications to my methods. You guys may very give me the incite and perspective to make a particular tactic phenomenal instead of simply ordinary.

 

[PinotNoir]

"you should stop looking at me like that"

Yes, I agree not to use that as an opener, but I've found this to be a great tool during one-on-one if you're good at reading people (or trying to learn how to read people better).

I usually say it more like this though:

"Why are you looking at me like that?"

As the "should stop" implies that you don't like it.

Of course, say this with all of the fundamentals: strong eye contact with a slow "bedroom" voice.

Most of the time girls are not going to be frank/blunt, but I have gotten (very rarely) "I hate that you can read me so well!" However, the point is to not get a verbal response; it's to read her facial expressions and to listen to her tone of voice, anything subtle. I've had girls exclaim, "I'm not!" but blushing bright ruby red.

Anyway, I do think this is a great "tool" for when you're one-on-one with a girl and curious if she'd be open to kissing and going further based on my personal experience

 

[lux7]

Personally, I believe that when the girls IS looking at you in an interested fashion, it's far better to say hi and move along without asking her why she's looking at you.

Underlying something can give you more points in many occasions, but right off the bat it risks to make you look dumb in the sense you're missing out on obvious clue and/or risk the girl will recoil being called out on it and will deny and auto-reject (ie.: "I liked this guy, but if he replies like that maybe he doesn't like me, or he's the kind of guy more looking for an ego boost than moving things ahead").

By approaching right away with a light smirk and moving along you accept her invite, thus avoiding auto-rejection and you implicitly underline her invitation while getting down to business without beating around the bush.

It makes you come off more as an overall charming man skilled in social interactions (like a George Clooney would do), while the other one is more gamey-style.

 

[Snazzy]

who cares if she has a boyfriend, find out who her man is through social media and if he isn't thugged out or likely to do stupid shit, peel him like a banana. but if she isn't with it, don't be captain save a hoe. find a willing participant, don't try to cojole or convince a bitch not to fuck with her man, and be with you, she'll do it for the validation and attention her man isn't giving her, and bounce. or not bounce. you have to make that bitch want to choose you. I'm kind of done with this forum tbh, there are way too many stupid people on here

 

[foggy]

I'm kind of done with this forum tbh, there are way too many stupid people on here

we don't want your negativity around here