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Cro-Magnon Man
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Hey guys,
So I can't really believe I'm here typing this after my post on needing to re-evaluate my game yesterday but here I am.

So, I had been on a bunch of different dates lately and felt they were all going the same, there was a definite pattern of things not progressing even if the dates were "nice" and not particularly bad in any way.
I wasn't seeing a pattern as to WHY though.

So skip forward to yesterday. I had made plans to week to meet a girl Saturday night. After the week I had and a disaster of a date on Friday I was about to cancel on her as I wasn't was feeling yet another date of the same wasn't helping.
So I decided to go, but I made some changes. I wasn't taking her to dinner, I wasn't making big plans. I was sick of going to "fancy" places and paying a fortune for a bad date.
So I told her to come meet me at a bar a block from my apartment, not a particularly fancy place, just a plain bar. I decided to just do what I wanted to do for the night instead of trying to plan an impressive date.

So I went there, met her. We spoke for a while, it was a little slow at first but I made a little effort at deep diving and similar things (I still need to work on this, but I'm improving a lot). I wasn't feeling like making a huge effort to "impress" her, I just wanted a night out. But maybe that was the reason this worked... we just got drinks and spoke, I was laid back and she began to lean in to me and touch me.
Could the fact that I WASN'T acting too eager or leaning into her be the reason it encouraged her to do so? It might well.

So instead of the usual "2 drinks and home", we were having fun, so we just stayed for another round. By that time it was heading for 11, I knew there was a cover band playing across the street at busy bar so when she mentioned getting a cab home I told her to just with me, we were going to see the band, there'll be loads of taxis outside later (which there always is).

We went there, got another drink in and we flirted a little more and I took her into the back part of the place, where the band was on. So instead of being shy I put my arm around her and we started dancing and it began to get heavy, she was obviously enjoying it. So here is where I'd have failed in the past. I'd be afraid to touch her and would wait too long to kiss her... So as we danced face to face, I just puled her in, told her she looked adorable and kissed her... She smiles and said she doesn't kiss boys in bars often... so I just told her I wanted to do that all night, so I did. She loved it and kept on kissing me all night.

So before the band finished I asked her to get out of there. At this point I could see she was open to coming back with me but I had to lead, she wasn't going to ask to come back. There was a queue for taxis and it was starting to snow so I told her to come with me... we'll keep warm and I wasn't finished kissing her ;)
So I just lead her down the block and up to my apartment. (Logistics: This would have never happened if I tried to take her to a fancy place downtown as usual... but taking her to a crumby bar near my apartment kept the date more casual so we could get closer a lot easier and I'm 2 minutes from my apartment if a pull is on the cards.)

So the next part is something which needs a little more work. There was some resistance on her part. It wasn't huge resistance, she clearly wanted to come. But I think she needed me to make her feel like it was "ok" to come with me.
I need to work on this. Another girl might have put up much more of a fight and I need to difuse this a lot better. I think I had built enough comfort that she was ok with coming but had to hear from me that this was the ok or right thing to do (i.e. that she's not being slutty, that this just happened). I think I did pretty well since she dropped her objections once I addressed them but if another girl was resisting hard here and I didn't have as much comfort, I might haves struggled to convince her to come. I'll brush up on this.

Anyway, long story short, she came up, we made out a lot and the rest is history. She spent the night and I drove her home this morning as she had a family thing today (which is ok, she mentioned this before we ever met so nothing to read into there). Admittedly it's been a little while since I had a girl in my bed but I have to say, she was pretty fesity, really turned me on. Cute little blonde, perky, tight slim fit figure... was really into her.

Anyway, now comes the next step. I'd like to see her again.
I picked up from things she said throughout the night and this morning that she is probably hoping the same. But I also felt there may have been a little buyers remorse... similar to the resistance last night, she needed a little re-assurance that we had done the right or ok thing.
So I'm not sure how to follow up now. There is the possibility she may not want to do that again after she thinks about it. You get the usual comments like "So, is this normally how your Saturday night goes"... etc.

So we'll see. This LR on this forum though so I'm excited by that but not getting carried away. I think I played things right with this particular girl, but there are still some areas I need to work a lot on.
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

Estate

Cro-Magnon Man
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Excellent, thanks. I had missed that article.

I did follow up yesterday evening with a text like the one in the article to difuse any thoughts of her feeling bad for hooking up and she responded really well.
I'll leave it a few days now and see if I can set up a 2nd.

Many thanks!
E.
 

Verisimilitude

Cro-Magnon Man
Cro-Magnon Man
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Hey Estate,

I'd like to hear what kind of LMR she was giving and how you responded to it. Maybe then we can pin down how to fix it.
 

Estate

Cro-Magnon Man
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Hey,
So she really didn't resist a lot, but she did drop a lot of token "I can't believe we're doing this" sort of statements.

When we got outside I she stalled before we looked for cabs and said "So where do you live around here" so I took that as my lead and just went for it.
I actually live right around the corner from where we were so I told her "Come with me, I'm not done kissing you yet" which she liked.
Then she said she had to be home because she had an early morning (she actually did so that wasn't a big deal), so I said, come up, it's cold standing here waiting, there'll be tons of cabs in a half hour when the bars break (which is always the case anyway).
When we got up to my place she really didn't resist a lot either but still dropped the token comment here and there that she couldn't believe we just did this or we broke all the rules doing this and stuff... I just played it off by not really making a big deal of anything she said. If she said something like that I'd just say "No it's not" and keep kissing her. Or just ignore it. My idea was to not really respond in a way that would seem like I was accepting it was a big deal or that I needed to address her concerns at length.. I just wanted to keep her on a high and re-assure her it was all fine.

I think I handled it ok. As I said, I didn't get any major resistance, it seemed more like she had to say something incase I thought she was slutty or something, I played it down and continued.
In this instance I think I played it well... the only reason I mentioned it was so I could learn from it.
I guess I could encounter a girl who while also wants to come with me, might add some real tough resistance before she'd agree and in that case it would be good to learn from this instance so I wasn't phased by it or struggling to difuse it.


Anyway, it seems to have worked out well... She text me at lunchtime today to say "Hey, what did you do to me the other night, I can't stop thinking about it. I think I need a fix of you soon".
I actually didn't see that first message until later when she had already followed up "Sorry, I guess that didn't sound very ladylike, lol"
I followed up then, and said "Don't apoligize for that, I was thinking the same thing!".... now she wants to come over tonight :)

I'm summarizing here but I think I did really well. I hooked her in conversation, told her to move bars with me, moved quickly and made moves where I wouldn't have before and took her home the same night.
She's actually a cool girl... I'll see where this goes from here.
I'm definitely making progress either way, it was my first proper lay in a while.
 

aliparpar

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Wow congrats man. Eye opening post for me in some little ways. Some details in your post I noticed could've made a lot of difference if done wrong .
Thanks for sharing your experience estate.
 

Mr. oblivious

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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good post

I think what you could of done to stop the token comments is implement the yes ladder iv read almost all the LR's on the forums (up to page 34 now)

and in these scenario's the yes ladder basically without fail removed doubt (there was some buyer remorse here and there but that was easily resolved by making comments of how they wouldn't of done it any other way and how they felt they got to know each other much better this way blah blah blah)

this is a fairly old post and you probably a number of ways you could deal with this now but i like to comment anyways to refresh the authors memory and keep it in mine :)

(if you have any tips and tricks for dealing with it better comment below cause i find all the information handy)
 
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