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jdoc

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Howdy!

I work as a street fundraiser, which makes it a really great place to meet new girls. I first met Nicole at the university I was fundraising at - we had a pretty relaxed conversation, but the sexual tension was lacking. In any case, I figured I'd invite her out for coffee - why the hell not. Nicole lives at the university college, which is on the university campus.

Fast forward a few days, we meet up for coffee. I already know her schedule ahead of time - she has to leave for work in about an hour, so I don't bother trying to pull back to her place. We meet up at the same university campus and grab some coffee in one of the buildings. Since all the tables and chairs are occupied, we sit on the floor. We're sitting on the same side as each other, so we need to turn our heads to maintain eye contact.

We had a pretty average conversation - sexual tension was minimal, (she kept on looking away... which brings me to wonder: How do I get girls to lock eyes with me to allow the sexual tension to set? Lately it's been a sticking point for me - where it seems that some girls look away 50% of the time, making it really difficult to build up that chemistry. Still trying to figure that out. I digress.) and the conversation seemed boring, and lacking sexual tension. Having said that, I think my fundamentals were pretty good on that day - style and seating posture were on point, I spoke pretty slowly and emphasised on slowness. This was also the first time that I'd tried to experiment with chase framing. She mentioned writing daily journals in her diary.

Me: Ah nice. Is it more a daily journal type of thing? Or do you only write something if you've had a special day?
Her: Yeah, usually if I'm having a boring day I don't write anything... I only write stuff in it if I had a really interesting day.
Me: Ah right on! So for example, by the end of today you'd write something like: Went to uni today... pretty boring... But then I met this really cool dude Jeff, and my day was instant better!
Her: [she chuckles]

For the majority of the time, I was trying to get her to invest and chase me (so that I could reward her), but it didn't really seem to happen. Eventually, I just gave up - no investment, no excitement... nothing. Just a pretty ordinary conversation like that I'd have with a friend. She then leaves for work and I bid her adieu. I didn't expect to hear from her again.

A week later, completely out of the blue:

Her: Hope you had a good week Jeff! Let's chill next week if you're free. There's this place in Union House my friend said does good Asian foooood
I respond - the whole time thinking: Yeah... we really make this meet up happen - especially considering the place in which she suggested is a 5 minute walk from her place.

Me: Hey Nicole! Had an excellent week - steamrolling through lectures, work and a seemingly endless amount of 21st. What's been new with you chica?

Her: 21sts are always fun. Mmmm not too much is new? I studied for the first time this year on a Friday? So exciting bahaha. I have some uni event tonight like a pub crawl or something which should be good hopefully!

Me: Right on, sounds neat! Anyway yeah, it would be good to catch up - lets do lunch, sure. Or I could do drinks as well. How's your sched looking?

---radio silence for a week---

Her: Sorry I kind of drowned in work last week! My sched is the same, only Friday is good for me really!

Not really sure what the radio silence was about, but we arranged to meet up for drinks on a Friday night. We meet up inside a busy shopping centre in the heart of Melbourne, and whilst she's waiting for me, she browses the side shop. I call her, but her phone's dead. Out of nowhere, a mutual friend (someone who works at the shop) beckons me over, and before I know it, I'm talking to Ben and Nicole. I haven't spoken to Ben for months, so we catch up briefly (I largely ignore Nicole whilst talking to Ben) - I was in a really social mood, and pushed the right buttons with Ben. He says "This dudes, freaking awesome" to Nicole. Social proof..?

We then proceed off to a nearby bar, (10 minute walk to her place) - at this point I focus on building rapport. I'd come to realise that Nicole was a pretty introverted girl, and she divulged to me later that night that she didn't have many friends at uni because she was so shy. We head over to the bar, and I order a beer. She orders burgers with fries because she hasn't eaten yet. We sit at a right angle to each other and I largely remain silent, using a lot of pregnant pauses, and talking slowly. She seems visibly nervous and asks me a lot of questions about my job. I try to incidentally touch her elbows and arms to get her used to my touch. As we continue our conversation, and I make a large gesture with my hands... but before I know it, the unthinkable happens. I knock over my full glass of beer all over her, soaking through her jumper and jeans. Needless to say, I apologised profusely, but she totally seemed cool with it. I make sure to reward her by stroking the small of her back as well as her arm. We continued the conversation, but same problem as before persisted - the sexual tension was lacking. She kept staring off into the distance, making it really hard to build any chemistry.

Eventually she's done with her meal and we leave the bar - instinctively, I lead her to walk in the direction towards her place. We keep the conversation light, and 2 minutes into the walk, she asks where we are going. I know that I needed to move fast and decisively pull her back to her place. In my mind, I knew that it would've been a great opportunity to head back to her place to change out of her clothes - but I hesitated. Instead we grab a seat on a nearby bench. Darn it.

At this point, my mind is fighting with me, I need to keep pushing forwards.

Me: How's your jumper doing by the way? Looks uncomfortable.
Her: Na, it's okay.
Me: Sure? I wouldn't wanna be stuck out here in a cold jumper. Let's head back to your place so you can change into dry clothes.
Her: No really, it's okay.

Seemed like a really sloppy pull, but I got a really strong feeling that she didn't feel comfortable bringing me back to her place. In hindsight, she seemed like a really nervous and uncomfortable person in general. We grab a seat on the bench, we continue the dull conversation which seems to be going nowhere. At this point, she's giving me eye contact about 10% of the time. The other 90% she's looking off into the distance. I become frustrated, and have no idea how to inspire her to chase me. At this point, I know it's do or die. I'm never going to see her again if I don't pull. We come across the topic of trees, as we stare at a huge tree in the park we're at. She mentions she likes the tree because it's big, and I slip in a cheeky "so you like it big, huh?" innuendo to keep the mood light. Not sure if I should've said that, but at least she laughed. At some point we start talking about social media, and she mentions that she has a Tumblr account dedicated to trees.

Her: Yeah, I do blog sometimes. I have a Tumblr account and I post pics of trees.
Me: Trees. You're kidding me right?
Her: Yeah! I'm not kidding.
Me: I don't believe that for a second. Trees..?
Her: Yes!
Me: No way. Show me!
Her: Oh... my phone's dead. Let's use yours.
Me: Ah, I'm out of data...
Her: Oh.
Me: You've got a laptop at your place right? Let's head back to your pad, we need to check out this trees blog. Come on.
[I stand up, and assume she's coming with me]
Her: Ah, okay... but I do have lots of homework to do so you can't stay for long!

At this point I'm thinking about how much of a ball buster Nicole is. During the 10 minute walk towards her place, my focus is on building comfort and diffusing tension. She seems even more uncomfortable than usual. I do pretty well at building comfort and we talk about our university courses - science and biomedicine, keeping it strictly safe. Before I know it, we're in her room.

This is the first time I've ever pulled a girl - it seemed surreal to me.

I lay down my bag and head over to her laptop, and reaffirm that I really want to see her tree blog (I didn't). She seems tense and uncomfortable and complies. I sit on the floor, while she's sitting on her desk chair working through her laptop. Eventually she shows me her blog and it's true - she does actually have a Tumblr blog about trees! We then continue talking for a while longer, but there's an uncomfortable distance between us.

Me: Why are you sitting all the way over there? Do I smell or something?
[I pat down on the floor next to me, and she comes to join me]

There is a really tense air of unease and she seems uncomfortable. At multiple times she mentions having to catch up on her studying. I just ignore her and change subjects. After sitting right next to me, she still refuses to look me in the eye. At some point I rest my hand on her hands as we're talking, and she instantly reacts by saying, "I think I need to go study soon." I remove my hand and I lean way back, looking for any escalation windows I could work with. No dice. To be honest, I don't think she gave me a single escalation window that night - she seemed very reserved. We then start to talk about the weird objects in her room - I point to a fancy looking cup.

Me: Woah, that's a weird looking cup. Where'd you get it?
Her: I got it from church.

Suddenly it hit me - this girl was a conservative Christian. Throughout the night, instead of saying "fuck" she'd say "fek". The unnerving vibe that appeared as soon as I walked into her room seemed to reaffirm that, and it completely fit with her vibe. Once again she says she needs to study, and I realise that this isn't going anywhere and I decided to leave. She walks me out and we say our goodbyes. Still can't believe I managed to pull after spilling a beer on her haha.
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So this has been a bit of a long report, but I wanted to get some opinions on this! It was an underwhelming first ever pull, but at least I managed to isolate us!

I figured that with this particular girl, she wasn't really that into me in the first place. With my future dates, I'd probably aim to make sure that there's some initial chemistry going on before exchanging numbers - otherwise, it seems like a bit of a waste of time. But then again I could be wrong. Thanks for reading up on my first pull!

- Jeff
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

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Re: FR++/FU: First ever pull & spilling a glass of beer over her

Jdoc,

Great report man, there a lot of good stuff here and even the spilt water you handled well.

How do I get girls to lock eyes with me to allow the sexual tension to set? Lately it's been a sticking point for me - where it seems that some girls look away 50% of the time, making it really difficult to build up that chemistry

Well, you can't make them look at you. Some girls just have terrible eye contact, especially the nervous ones, like you ran into here. That doesn't mean she isn't attracted to you. Girls with bad eye contact you just have to look for signs elsewhere.

The girl I have been seeing and for 6 months has bad eye contact, but clearly she is attracted to me and we have chemistry. It's just too intense for her.

I'd come to realise that Nicole was a pretty introverted girl, and she divulged to me later that night that she didn't have many friends at uni because she was so shy.

That's a very important discovery.

She seems visibly nervous and asks me a lot of questions about my job.

Nervous is good because it means she likes/is attracted to you, so good job.

Her: Yeah, I do blog sometimes. I have a Tumblr account and I post pics of trees.
Me: Trees. You're kidding me right?
Her: Yeah! I'm not kidding.
Me: I don't believe that for a second. Trees..?
Her: Yes!
Me: No way. Show me!
Her: Oh... my phone's dead. Let's use yours.
Me: Ah, I'm out of data...
Her: Oh.
Me: You've got a laptop at your place right? Let's head back to your pad, we need to check out this trees blog. Come on.
[I stand up, and assume she's coming with me]
Her: Ah, okay... but I do have lots of homework to do so you can't stay for long!

Dude that's a perfect pull. You didn't wait for a her to say no, you just led her back.

There is a really tense air of unease and she seems uncomfortable. At multiple times she mentions having to catch up on her studying

and there goes your escalation window. That was it, you just missed it. She was uncomfortable because she was expecting you to make a move. If she didn't want you to make the move she wouldn't have sat down next to you.

You probably could have laid this girl you just didn't read the signs correctly. Everything else was done right. You persisted, built compliance, pulled her to an escalation location and just misread it.

As a rule if you get to a location like that just make a move. There's not always going to be a perfect moment. As soon as she moves to sit next to you that's when I would make the move... she's going to be expecting it and she will either accept or not, but now you don't know do you?

Great report :)
 

jdoc

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Re: FR++/FU: First ever pull & spilling a glass of beer over her

Thanks for the kind words Lotus. Cool to see you around on the boards ;)

Lotus said:
Well, you can't make them look at you. Some girls just have terrible eye contact, especially the nervous ones, like you ran into here. That doesn't mean she isn't attracted to you. Girls with bad eye contact you just have to look for signs elsewhere.

The girl I have been seeing and for 6 months has bad eye contact, but clearly she is attracted to me and we have chemistry. It's just too intense for her.
Definitely a frustrating experience when this happens, because I feel like any effort to build up any sexual tension is futile without focused eye contact. What was your experience with moving past the lack of eye contact problem with this particular girl?

Lotus said:
Dude that's a perfect pull. You didn't wait for a her to say no, you just led her back.
Thanks! I guess first time's a charm, haha. Will definitely try something like that again.

Lotus said:
and there goes your escalation window. That was it, you just missed it. She was uncomfortable because she was expecting you to make a move. If she didn't want you to make the move she wouldn't have sat down next to you.
That's an interesting way to think about it! The reason why I hesitated is because she seemed so awkward and uncomfortable. It felt really hard for me to even begin to lean in to kiss her, because I felt like she would've freaked out. I got a very strong vibe that she didn't want anything to happen since she repeatedly mentioned that she had to get back to studying. But then again, maybe she was just extremely nervous - who knows. I'm thinking that I could've probably interrupted her mid-conversation and said something like, "wait", prompting her to look me in the eyes so that I could lean in for a kiss. What are your thoughts on what I should've done? Seemed like this particular girl was pretty tough on busting my balls.

Lotus said:
As a rule if you get to a location like that just make a move. There's not always going to be a perfect moment. As soon as she moves to sit next to you that's when I would make the move... she's going to be expecting it and she will either accept or not, but now you don't know do you?
Definitely agree with you on this one. By the time you've pulled and you're sitting next to each other, it's a do or die situation, chances are you'll never see each other again if you don't make a move. Definitely something I'll keep in mind for next time.

- Jeff :)
 

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Re: FR++/FU: First ever pull & spilling a glass of beer over her

Definitely a frustrating experience when this happens, because I feel like any effort to build up any sexual tension is futile without focused eye contact. What was your experience with moving past the lack of eye contact problem with this particular girl?

I had to stop using it as an indicator of what she felt. Just throw it out entirely.

Escalation was a bit different(then I'm used to) as well because there was no eye contact to initiate a "moment", I just had to make a move. I remember I offered to go on a walk after our drink and she counter offered to go meet her puppy and take him on a walk. We got back to play with him and as we were sitting on the floor I realized no moment was going to happen without my leading. So when the pup ran away I just slid her across the floor(sitting on the hardwood) and she melted into to it.

I got a very strong vibe that she didn't want anything to happen since she repeatedly mentioned that she had to get back to studying

Plausible deniability so after the fact she can say, "I told him I really had to study, he just seduced me."

Now of course there's always the possibility that she really didn't want to do anything and turned your kiss down at first, but remember you played it well and didn't chase after the first date which led to initiate a second date. Then you managed to pull her back to her place.

that's my take at least! :)
 
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