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First kiss process and body language

TylerDurden

Space Monkey
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Hi,
I've noticed a pattern with some girls I dated (met online or through friends) and had not success with. It goes like this:

-We met each other at some place for a coffee and some talking, maybe a pool game or stuff like that, simple cool dates
-We talk a lot about lots of stuff, we laugh, get along.
-I try to make lots of eye contact, sometimes it seems to work nicely, other not so.
-I try to start getting a bit phisical, like putting my hand on her back while crossing or touching her shoulder to make some point etc.
-If we sit on front of each other (in the coffee shop) , there is lots of eye contact both ways, and laughs, yet nothing too sexual, nor too neutral.
-Then I usually walk around some more and try to sit somewhere quietly next to each other to try to go for a kiss (bench on a park, grass, etc).
-We keep talking, I sit closely (maybe legs touching hers, maybe not) but they usually look away. And give me a quick glance at me from time to time.

This is where I'm stuck, I would like to get that vibe going where both of us are looking at each other and are closer and closer until it just happens. But they usually look away, sometimes their bodies look away too, sometimes not so much.
I tried to kind of force it going close to her, but I get rejected that way, It doesn't feel natural either.
I asked for advice from a female friend, and she said something that surprised me, and that I think is truth sometimes, girls get nervous in a situation like that (sitting next to each other), so they won't look me in the eyes with such intent.

So now, the questions.
Should I try a different situation for a first kiss than sitting next to each other in a bench or grass, or anything like that?
If I put my arm around her, even if there's not a strong vibe going on, will it hurt my chances? also, should my arm be around her waist or her shoulders?
Should I try a manhandle kiss or something like that? It would be very difficult for me, but it might be a good idea.
Were my fundamentals/looks/whatever not good enough to make her like me and help me get that first kiss (pointing her body at me, etc)?

Another important data, is that once I received by mistake a message meant to her friend saying "nope, nothing happened, at one point I even got bored". She didn't say it was about me obviously, but it was hours after the date, so it seems the most probable.
This tells me she was expecting something to happen, and was kind of disappointed. So It was one more argument on favor of her being nervous, not unwanting.

Thanks for any help.
 

Verisimilitude

Cro-Magnon Man
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Tyler,

From someone who always worried about the right time to go for a kiss (sometimes still does) I can relate. The best thing that I have found is to just go for it. Maybe start by looking from eyes to mouth to eyes again but you really don't need to. You would be surprised how many girls love being manhandle kissed! The best advice is to stop over thinking and just go for it.

Kissing relieves sexual tension, so the best time to do it is when sexual tension is high. But how do you know when there is sexual tension? The best way is to watch tv shows like the vampire diaries, true blood, gossip girl etc. It sounds crazy and makes you feel a little less manly but it helps you identify sexual tension and gives you good role models.

Here are some clips that have serious sexual tension. Hopefully this give you a good feel for it, but the best time is when you want to!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKHwI7xo2X4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo3E1WFqDl8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kSYdES6F_o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85WTkxjipsI

These scenes he could have kissed her and you can see the sexual tension. Look at their eyes, how she leans in, and how they touch each other. And read the comments on the videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwzz8i0VrgQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0JFL9czZ-4

Kissing scenes. The seuxal tension is so high here and then... release. The higher the tension, the bigger the release (as long as you keep her in the same area). Girls watch these shows because of these scenes. Its what they want a kiss to be like. You have a road map here to a perfect kiss so use it ;)
 

TylerDurden

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Thanks! though I do feel less manly after watching that it really helped me understad the sexual tension feeling.

Though in those moments of tension the girl is mostly looking at the guy, What should I do if she doesn't look back? Just grab her head with my hand and manhandle kiss her?
 

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Cro-Magnon Man
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What should I do if she doesn't look back? Just grab her head with my hand and manhandle kiss her?

Ideally she would be looking at you, try to build sexual tension by saying something or getting her to look at you. But manhandle works too. Grab her chin and pull her in for a kiss.
 
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Cro-Magnon Man
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I think your misunderstanding just how intimate EC is, from a distance (ie sat across a table) you'll usually get more EC because there's a physical barrier between you, when that barrier is gone such as side by side, you'll get less EC intimacy and more physical.

Just like investment if your not getting investment (or EC) at a level your coming in at you need to drop it down a notch, try a less aggressive posture, being physically less intimidating should redress the balance.

One thing I've noticed is when your walking side by side, you get (what I call) eye contact ping pong which goes, you look at her, she looks forward and back at you, you then do the same, and so on.

Have a read up on proxemics, :) as for the kiss, only you can work out when 'the right time' is. I usually find if they close their eyes and pucker up, that's a good sign. ;)
 

Mr. Wes

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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This is kind of late but one thing that i've noticed while sitting with a girl side-by-side is that they respond to commanding.
It was the same way: Girl looking straight ahead, body faced forward, not making eye contact, making it harder for me to do anything
So, I just start commanding them.
look at me.
and they turn their head towards mine and our eyes meet.
I always pussied out and didn't follow up by kissing them, but as far as I know, commanding them in a soft sexy voice: "look at me" does the trick.
Just be sure to follow up and kiss them.
 
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