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Mr. Slick

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Hi everyone,

First of all, pleased to meet you all.

This is my first post here. I’ll skip the formal introduction since I’m a friend of @Prometeo , who already shared his background in a previous post. What he said about himself pretty much applies to me as well. That said, I’ve read many of your contributions, and it’s clear to me that there’s a lot of wisdom in this forum. I’m here to learn, especially from those of you with more experience.

In this sense, I wanted to share a situation that happened to me today (and has happened in similar ways before), and I’m unsure about how to handle it properly in future occasions. Any thoughts or advice would be highly appreciated.




The Situation:


Today, after years without seeing them, I met up with some old university friends. We had breakfast and lunch together, then ended up at a busy outdoor bar — one of those open-air venues with lots of standing tables and quite a few well-dressed women around. It was crowded but lively.


At one point, I went to the bathroom, and when I came back, my friends were already engaged in a conversation with two foreign guys. I joined them, but because of the setup (a table and a lot of people in between), I ended up in the furthest position from the main group. A bit isolated.


Soon after, two attractive Spanish girls approached my friends from the side I couldn’t easily access — they opened the interaction directly with them. I was stuck in a less favorable position and chose not to move, as it was very crowded and any attempt to get closer might’ve come off as try-hard or needy. – Question 1: In these types of crowded social situations, where positioning isn’t in your favor, what do you usually do? Do you reposition even if it might look forced or needy? What would’ve been the smart move?

Later on, during the interaction, I was able to speak with the girls — especially one of them, a brunette, attractive (7/10), seemed like a good girl — by jumping into the conversation when relevant, but I still missed a lot due to distance. One of my friends started running strong “push and pull” game with this brunette. He’s a natural, witty guy who plays a very aggressive teasing game, sometimes even borderline offensive. It often works for him, though he sometimes goes too far. The girl was clearly intrigued, throwing some IOIs, but also seemed a bit wary of him.


Meanwhile, one of the foreign guys — very good-looking — also started a push-and-pull dynamic with her. Given the strong energy from both sides and the fact that I was tired, I decided to keep my vibe calm and centered, only contributing when I had something meaningful to say. I wasn’t playful or flirty — except once when I interrupted the convo to tell her “that accent you’re using is really sexy.”


Throughout the interaction, despite my relatively low engagement, the brunette girl made several remarks about me:


  • That I give her good vibes.
  • That I had a “good guy” face
  • When we said goodbye, she kissed me on the cheek and called me “cute/sweet”

Which leads me to:




– Question 2:

How do you guys deal with this kind of feedback — being called “cute,” “nice,” “sweet,” or “such a good guy”?


I tend to be self-critical and don’t want to delude myself. I know those comments aren't necessarily compliments in the seductive context. In this case, I believe her real attraction was toward my friend or the foreigner, while I got categorized as the harmless, safe guy. I’ve received similar comments in the past relative to being sweet, and I suspect my vibe and maybe even my appearance sometimes contribute to this perception. I didn’t choose this face — and I don’t see it as a curse — but I’m starting to think it might hurt my chances when it comes to sparking genuine attraction.

As a side note, when I’m in a high-energy state, I’m usually playful, charismatic, and I naturally project a strong vibe. But if I don’t engage early on and I’m not synced with the rhythm of the interaction, I tend to fall into this “nice guy” vibe, and it becomes harder for me to break in.


It’s not that I think I always come across as harmless — but my question here is more about how to flip that “nice guy/good boy” frame once it starts to show. How can I reframe or redirect that perception when I notice it happening?


Thanks for reading this long post — looking forward to your thoughts.
 

HabibiLove

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Ok as for myself I would tell you that it wasnt that easy to become a confident and at the same time charming PUA ( this do not mean to be accommodating at all). Just being "bold " means a lot for a girl/woman. Bold= Saying hey you are cute without being ackward.

Being nice for me it means that I am not being authentic. But balance between being charming and confident is the key.
 

Mr. Slick

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Ok as for myself I would tell you that it wasnt that easy to become a confident and at the same time charming PUA ( this do not mean to be accommodating at all). Just being "bold " means a lot for a girl/woman. Bold= Saying hey you are cute without being ackward.

Being nice for me it means that I am not being authentic. But balance between being charming and confident is the key.
Thank you so much for answering, HabibiLove. I've been reflecting on what you wrote, and I agree that being bold means a lot to women — it implies you're willing to take the lead, assume risk, set the pace of the conversation, etc. It's definitely a powerful display of value. However, once the girl has already opened up or has initiated the conversation herself, does being bold genuinely mean you should sexualize the conversation at some point? To show your sexual interest in her?
 

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First Question

1) I would either take a break by leaving the venue and position myself favourably. Washroom or smoke break.

2) Or I would try to engage a particular person instead of the whole group and then move to a favourable position through him/her by saying something like "I can't hear you" etc.

3) Or I would just zone out/ do my thing... Until others feel, enough social pressure to have me join the group back.

2nd question

I would have thanked her and complimented back, whenever she complimented me because I don't think in a very short interaction it means anything... when girls call you cute etc.

"You are cute too, sweetie😉"

Or if I feel she is trying to put me in a nice guy zone.

I would have said something along the lines of,
"Don't try to flatter me😏" or something like that with a smirk
 
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Hi everyone,

First of all, pleased to meet you all.

This is my first post here. I’ll skip the formal introduction since I’m a friend of @Prometeo , who already shared his background in a previous post. What he said about himself pretty much applies to me as well. That said, I’ve read many of your contributions, and it’s clear to me that there’s a lot of wisdom in this forum. I’m here to learn, especially from those of you with more experience.

In this sense, I wanted to share a situation that happened to me today (and has happened in similar ways before), and I’m unsure about how to handle it properly in future occasions. Any thoughts or advice would be highly appreciated.




The Situation:


Today, after years without seeing them, I met up with some old university friends. We had breakfast and lunch together, then ended up at a busy outdoor bar — one of those open-air venues with lots of standing tables and quite a few well-dressed women around. It was crowded but lively.


At one point, I went to the bathroom, and when I came back, my friends were already engaged in a conversation with two foreign guys. I joined them, but because of the setup (a table and a lot of people in between), I ended up in the furthest position from the main group. A bit isolated.


Soon after, two attractive Spanish girls approached my friends from the side I couldn’t easily access — they opened the interaction directly with them. I was stuck in a less favorable position and chose not to move, as it was very crowded and any attempt to get closer might’ve come off as try-hard or needy. – Question 1: In these types of crowded social situations, where positioning isn’t in your favor, what do you usually do? Do you reposition even if it might look forced or needy? What would’ve been the smart move?

Later on, during the interaction, I was able to speak with the girls — especially one of them, a brunette, attractive (7/10), seemed like a good girl — by jumping into the conversation when relevant, but I still missed a lot due to distance. One of my friends started running strong “push and pull” game with this brunette. He’s a natural, witty guy who plays a very aggressive teasing game, sometimes even borderline offensive. It often works for him, though he sometimes goes too far. The girl was clearly intrigued, throwing some IOIs, but also seemed a bit wary of him.


Meanwhile, one of the foreign guys — very good-looking — also started a push-and-pull dynamic with her. Given the strong energy from both sides and the fact that I was tired, I decided to keep my vibe calm and centered, only contributing when I had something meaningful to say. I wasn’t playful or flirty — except once when I interrupted the convo to tell her “that accent you’re using is really sexy.”


Throughout the interaction, despite my relatively low engagement, the brunette girl made several remarks about me:


  • That I give her good vibes.
  • That I had a “good guy” face
  • When we said goodbye, she kissed me on the cheek and called me “cute/sweet”

Which leads me to:




– Question 2:

How do you guys deal with this kind of feedback — being called “cute,” “nice,” “sweet,” or “such a good guy”?


I tend to be self-critical and don’t want to delude myself. I know those comments aren't necessarily compliments in the seductive context. In this case, I believe her real attraction was toward my friend or the foreigner, while I got categorized as the harmless, safe guy. I’ve received similar comments in the past relative to being sweet, and I suspect my vibe and maybe even my appearance sometimes contribute to this perception. I didn’t choose this face — and I don’t see it as a curse — but I’m starting to think it might hurt my chances when it comes to sparking genuine attraction.

As a side note, when I’m in a high-energy state, I’m usually playful, charismatic, and I naturally project a strong vibe. But if I don’t engage early on and I’m not synced with the rhythm of the interaction, I tend to fall into this “nice guy” vibe, and it becomes harder for me to break in.


It’s not that I think I always come across as harmless — but my question here is more about how to flip that “nice guy/good boy” frame once it starts to show. How can I reframe or redirect that perception when I notice it happening?


Thanks for reading this long post — looking forward to your thoughts.

Welcome!

Question 1: I'd take a detour - move somewhere outside the group, go to the bar or the toilet or whatever, then come back to the right spot.

Question 2: First of all it's not got a lot to do with your face that you come across as a 'nice guy'. It's your expressions and the way your face communicates your general attitude, that makes you seem like a 'nice guy'. Especially by contrast with your two friends who were piling on their intent on her. But that is not so much to your disadvantage - the girls as you said were wary of them, and eventually became curious as to why you were not competing as well, which you could have taken advantage of.

First of all the way to react in the moment, in my opinion, is to just give a little closed-mouth smile, look her hard in the eye, ignore her comment, and start seducing her. If anything her reaction to you, her comment, was out of curiosity, an attempt to figure you out in relation to everyone else. You do not want to start trying to argue with her, but you do want to give her the idea that you find her comment cute (with your smile) but uninteresting and off the mark (ignore it - also 'nice guys' never ignore anything) and you want to take intentful action (seduce her).

As for being viewed as a 'nice guy' in general, I believe that this is one of the 'meta' aspects of a man's life. It's not something to try and tactically oppose in a given situation (which won't work), but something that has to be solved at the level of your overall life. It's usually a function of being someone who perceives that in social games, he has to win favor and please others in order to get the things he wants, rather than someone who believes he can get them by sheer force of will, by competition, or by cunning.

That's not to say that being a nice guy to people in general is bad - quite the contrary, it's a very positive thing. But I believe it's the way that a man goes after the things he wants, the way he fights his battles so to speak, especially in the social domain, that determines whether he comes across as a 'nice guy' or not. Someone who is not a 'nice guy' is someone who is ready and capable of confrontation and competition, who is willing to give an eye for an eye and not give up his meal without a fight. There is no such thing as a 'nice guy' who is willing to do whatever it takes to win.

Another way to look at it is that someone who is not a 'nice guy' is someone who is always consciously working to his own agenda with strategy, someone with an overall sense of intent toward the world and a kind of self-centered view that he deserves to get all the good things. The typical 'nice guy' feels that he's not good enough to deserve anything, but by pleasing others things will just eventually somehow go his way. He's not strategizing with any awareness, he's not ready to maneuver according to the situation and go for the kill. He's just spamming a pleasant demeanor with the expectation that somehow people will be pleased with him and then figure out to give him what he wants.

Hope this helps!
 

Mr. Slick

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First Question

1) I would either take a break by leaving the venue and position myself favourably. Washroom or smoke break.

2) Or I would try to engage a particular person instead of the whole group and then move to a favourable position through him/her by saying something like "I can't hear you" etc.

3) Or I would just zone out/ do my thing... Until others feel, enough social pressure to have me join the group back.

2nd question

I would have thanked her and complimented back, whenever she complimented me because I don't think in a very short interaction it means anything... when girls call you cute etc.

"You are cute too, sweetie😉"

Or if I feel she is trying to put me in a nice guy zone.

I would have said something along the lines of,
"Don't try to flatter me😏" or something like that with a smirk
Thank you, Empath. Good advices!! Yeah... I did not game it at all
 

Mr. Slick

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Welcome!

Question 1: I'd take a detour - move somewhere outside the group, go to the bar or the toilet or whatever, then come back to the right spot.

Question 2: First of all it's not got a lot to do with your face that you come across as a 'nice guy'. It's your expressions and the way your face communicates your general attitude, that makes you seem like a 'nice guy'. Especially by contrast with your two friends who were piling on their intent on her. But that is not so much to your disadvantage - the girls as you said were wary of them, and eventually became curious as to why you were not competing as well, which you could have taken advantage of.

First of all the way to react in the moment, in my opinion, is to just give a little closed-mouth smile, look her hard in the eye, ignore her comment, and start seducing her. If anything her reaction to you, her comment, was out of curiosity, an attempt to figure you out in relation to everyone else. You do not want to start trying to argue with her, but you do want to give her the idea that you find her comment cute (with your smile) but uninteresting and off the mark (ignore it - also 'nice guys' never ignore anything) and you want to take intentful action (seduce her).

As for being viewed as a 'nice guy' in general, I believe that this is one of the 'meta' aspects of a man's life. It's not something to try and tactically oppose in a given situation (which won't work), but something that has to be solved at the level of your overall life. It's usually a function of being someone who perceives that in social games, he has to win favor and please others in order to get the things he wants, rather than someone who believes he can get them by sheer force of will, by competition, or by cunning.

That's not to say that being a nice guy to people in general is bad - quite the contrary, it's a very positive thing. But I believe it's the way that a man goes after the things he wants, the way he fights his battles so to speak, especially in the social domain, that determines whether he comes across as a 'nice guy' or not. Someone who is not a 'nice guy' is someone who is ready and capable of confrontation and competition, who is willing to give an eye for an eye and not give up his meal without a fight. There is no such thing as a 'nice guy' who is willing to do whatever it takes to win.

Another way to look at it is that someone who is not a 'nice guy' is someone who is always consciously working to his own agenda with strategy, someone with an overall sense of intent toward the world and a kind of self-centered view that he deserves to get all the good things. The typical 'nice guy' feels that he's not good enough to deserve anything, but by pleasing others things will just eventually somehow go his way. He's not strategizing with any awareness, he's not ready to maneuver according to the situation and go for the kill. He's just spamming a pleasant demeanor with the expectation that somehow people will be pleased with him and then figure out to give him what he wants.

Hope this helps!
It really helps me improve my understanding, so thank you very much, Will. I don't think I usually give off a 'good boy' aura—or maybe I do, but I quickly undo it with my attitude when I'm well rested. I've realized that being tired makes me feel both on edge and vulnerable, maybe even afraid of rejection. I think the described situation was this latter case
 
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