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TomGray

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So here’s one that I should have included in retrospect. It happened a month or so ago.

I volunteered at my community college at a dinner for the people living in the night shelter. I was assigned in the face painting booth. I’m a terrible face painter XD. But I was having fun with the
other people there including a cute Iraqi girl. As the night goes on, I get her number.

We meet up a week or so later for a coffee near my place. We’re having a good time, getting to know each other. I’m generally doing really well to be relaxed and not over-reactive. I check the time by taking her wrist and checking her watch. She mentions her ex-husband and how she has two kids with him. She married at sixteen and had her first kid at eighteen. I get the sense that she’s a person who missed out on a lot of fun things when she was younger because of her marriage and doesn’t want to let go of those possibilities yet. This I gathered from her cute clothes, abundance of make-up, and interest in belly-dancing. She says that though she is in school, she still has no idea what to major in or what she wants to do with her life.

I invite her to my place to hang out and she agrees. We take my car there and we joke around a little bit. Outside my place, I take her hand and interlink my fingers with hers. She does the same and I’m thinking so far, so good.

I’ve realized that my previous attempts at moving things forwards with girls failed because I was too single-minded, I had too much of an agenda i.e. “Sleep with her”. But women can sense when you have an agenda. I resolved to, instead, try to take things moment by moment and have fun. Sex is not an option that I’ve crossed out, but no longer will I pursue it single-mindedly and treat women like objects for that purpose anymore.

We get to my room and I tell her to take off her shoes. She does this then I get on my bed and lean against the wall and tell her to come sit down next to me.
Old Tom Gray would have told her that forcefully and commandingly giving no thought for how she might think or feel. I would have just done what I had been told by countless pick-up websites not realizing that it’s totally out of sync with the mood and unnecessary. Instead, I said it like it was no big deal like one would say “Hand me that pencil”

We sit on the bed next to each other and I put my arm around her waist while we listen to music on my laptop. She invites me to start dancing and I join her. I’m a pretty crappy dancer but so is she. We’re having fun so I decide to kiss her. She leans away. Old Tom Gray would have just tried to push more. New Tom Gray said no big deal and continued having fun.

We get back on my bed and keep listening to music. I kiss her on the cheek. Almost immediately, she tells me she has to go to pick up her kids. I see this as some resistance and try to convince her to stay without being pushy (which is hard). She says that she does have to go and I decide to just chalk this one up to a learning experience.

When I drive her to her car, I try to give her a goodbye kiss but she avoids me again and just gives me a hug. After that, I sent her a few texts to which I got slow responses or none at all and when I suggest that we meet up again two times, I get radio silence. I’m guessing that this one is lost.

To improve on: I could have expressed my insight into her personality. People love it when they sense that you understand them.
I could have asked her when she wanted to leave: “You’re having a good time, right? So stay” or something to that effect.

Anything you gentlemen might have to add?
 
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ray_zorse

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Old Tom Gray doesn't sound like such a bad old chap, I mean sure be calibrated but that will happen naturally as you improve. I reckon once she comes back to your house if she fails to put out she's jerking you around so that's when to get out the old guy... if she pulls back from a kiss etc and says she needs to pick up her kids... just say "there's the door... go"... check my journal for a case which ended up being a FU but in fact she stayed around a bit after I told her that line. So it can definitely get results. By driving her back to her car etc you rewarded her resistance and that's not good. Check out some of Drexel Scott's post on these topics as he's an inspiration to me.
cheers, Ray
 

TomGray

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Hi, Ray, thanks for replying. I've been off the FR boards for some time so it feels nice to drop back in.

Regarding what you said, I don't think being commandingly forceful would have worked in that case. I can feel that it might have just made me come across as an insecure jerk. This girl had experiences of having her wants and needs trampled by her jerk ex-husband and I didn't really want to be another middle-eastern guy who tries to own women (I'm from near that region too but retain none of the culture). That's why she divorced the sucker, after all. Now, if she were used to leading men around by the nose, then hell yeah, I would have told her to sit down.

The issue revolves around physical intimacy. For whatever reason, she didn't feel comfortable with the idea of kissing me. If I can figure out the reason, I can correct it for next time.
 

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ray_zorse said:
Old Tom Gray doesn't sound like such a bad old chap, I mean sure be calibrated but that will happen naturally as you improve.
This is what I was thinking as well. The man has to take lead and be aggressive but as that's not working for you, how are your overall fundamentals? Have you got the sexy man vibe down?
 

ray_zorse

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On the other hand we subconsciously seek a type which often mirrors the dysfunctional environment we grew up in... for instance my mum (while a great person) is outwardly compliant and tries to please everyone while being an indirect communicator which is hard to deal with. My dad (while also having his good points) is more of a bullying asshole. My relationship history consists in pingponging between women of those two types, the closer to one of those types the longer and more dysfunctional my relationship with them.

But this is something I'm addressing, I mention it b/c maybe she married a dominant asshole because that's the communication style she grew up surviving & becoming comfortable with, and she rejected you b/c not enough of a dominant asshole (subconsciously I mean... consciously she really liked you... but the conscious mind only learns about decisions after they have been made).

Just some food for thought.

cheers, Ray
 
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