FORUM UPGRADE: Help us pick the new forum logo

[Jaimie Richards]

Hello gents,

I've been away from active participation on GC for quite a while (and sadly I'm still gonna be for a few weeks at least), but on this particular topic I have some thoughts that I hope might be helpful

To get the things I enjoy out of the way, I'd like to say that I really dig the art style and color theme is 10/10.

For the comfort of analysis I've created a compilation of all 7 themes.

https://ibb.co/982tGNp

Now about choosing. I've gathered 5 criteria for comparison of those 7 images:
1. position of the guy
2. how many girls there are
3. where do those gals look
4. text placement
5. placement of his hands.

Ad.1 Position of the guy: In the first two pictures, I do agree that they look like the guy hasn't approached yet (first impression). Because of that, I wouldn't choose them.

Ad.2 Number of chicks: I also strongly agree that two girls are better than three - that intimacy aspect is huge. With three girls, it starts to look as a scene from a movie with our hero moving through the crowded street. Also, less characters makes the drawing feel less cluttered. Last but not least - hooking two girls looks more believable to a newcomer than hooking three (or more).

Ad.3 What the girls are doing: Images 1 and 2 - two girls are absorbed in their chatting while the solo one is watching the scenery. Images 3, 4 and 5 look like a stock photo of some models presenting the new collection or something. There's no interaction there - I agree about the nuances, but as far as I understand the forum should get attention from all new users, not the more knowledgeable and skilled ones. For a beginner, it might look like there's no chemistry at all, because two of them are just looking at the guy and the other one is looking away. Also, the logo won't be huge, so little touch between the girl and the guy may not necessarily be visible. That leaves us with 6 and 7 to choose between.

Ad.4 Text placement: I like both text placements. Both are great - but I believe that placing the text above the picture could also be cool, so I've attached an example.

https://ibb.co/5LsyGNs

Ad.5 Hands placement of the guy: In this regard I'd go with... none. In the first one he's just staring at the ass of the solo girl. In the rest of them he is... handcuffed. Dead-serious first impression. I do understand his hands are placed on his jacket and all, but still - it looks like he's handcuffed. Once you get that impression, it's hard not to imagine that he's an inmate VIP being escorted to his cell by lady officers.

All in all, I would choose either 6 or 7.

Also, could we please do something with his hands? It's really huge IMVHO.

After a quick meditation, I've decided to add my idea - I know, it's not the highest graphic quality, because I'm terrible at drawing and also using Paint. Nevertheless, now it looks like he's holding them and it's more intimate. I really enjoy the outcome. What do you think about this proof of concept??

https://ibb.co/ZLHXBtJ

Last thing (due to the discussion, because when I first saw this topic and the name I liked it and thought it was A-OK): synonyms for the brand name. I've given it a thought and here it goes.
* heartbreaker - sounds negative;
* philanderer - too long;
* rake - sounds like drake and it's too easily associated with some medieval fantasy;
* paramour - it's actually OK;
* wooer - sounds weird;
* boytoy - it may be just me, but it sounds too similar to toy-toy and also sounds like something associated with being dominated.

Other than that, "Moths and Flames" would sound cool, but could also be too misleading, sadly.

However, there's one more thing other than paramour that's been under our radar and it's surprisingly obvious if we think where we are...

What about...

Skilled Amants?

(And yes, I'm 100% serious. I think it sounds cool and unique and emphasizes the nature of our place really well.)


All the best in 2019, folks!

J.


P.S. If you don't see the images, just click right mouse button on their icons and either open them in a new tab or copy the URL and paste it in a new tab. If that doesn't work, please help me upload it properly - or I just could send you a PM with all 3 images.
P.S.2. I've decided to change imgs into URLs for easier access, but if someone could tell me how to include them properly so they are visible on the boards, I'd be grateful.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Chase.

What about "The Natural" or something that plays off of being a natural since it seems like through your articles, you promote being a natural rather than a PUA or even a seducer.

 

[Franco]

If it helps, #6 and #7 get my vote.

- Franco

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

6 or 7, but I like 6 better. It's so clean. Two girls is PERFECT.

As for Skilled Seducer, you really can't come up with a better name. Even a favorite terminology of mine "Romance Artist" that Zan uses is too chees-y for a forum set up. We've always been proud of keep ourselves quite tight into the "get good with GIRLS" genre and try not to be anything but that. Skilled Seducer...it's technical yeah, but oh well.

I understand not everyone is as open with their seduction career as someone like me, but unless you're around social circle people, you really shouldn't care. Some stranger seeing you browsing some website? So? Who cares?

If you're at work, I understand.

If you're at a friend's party and want to see if anyone gave you some last minute tips for the party, I get it.

If a girl is over and you're on your phone...I mean, you shouldn't be on your phone

But guess what -all these scenarios I've been on my phone, even during the days when I wasn't open about my tenure at GC, and I never got caught except for one time and she didn't give a fuck and didn't even say anything, cuz I quickly exited out of it.

Girls only think it's weird if you make it weird (in the unlikely chance you get caught) and if a guy gives you shit, he can go eat a fat dick (and then to be safe for reputation, don't be overt about having your phone out).

Problem solved

Hector

 

[Grand Pooba]

Skilled Seducer would be shortened to "SS" in most cases (like GC, or mASF, or RoK does) which I think has an interesting ring to it.

 

[Chase]

Thanks to Jaimie for the feedback on the guy looking handcuffed.

I asked Novita to make a few more versions to the #6 and #7 logos. Since it looks like #6 is the winner (also, #7 is a little lopsided, since "Skilled" has fewer letters than "Seducer" and having one word on each side of the logo unbalances it), here are the new hand versions on the old #6:


ADJUSTING TIE

HANDS IN POCKETS

We'll pick a final logo from these too.

Any preference between the two of 'em?

Chase

 

[Ambiance]

I like Hands in Pockets- looks more sprezzatura

 

[Grand Pooba]

I like hand out of pocket.

 

[Lover]

Hands in pocket

 

[Jaimie Richards]

Hello,

First of all, very huge thanks to Chase (and also Novita) for upgrading the logo. This one detail has been really bothering me and, in fact, it was the biggest reason for me to post - you just can't unsee what you've seen.

Both new logos look absolutely great IMVHO - I love them both, but if I have to choose I'd say: hands in pockets (which currently gives us hands in pockets 3 : 1 hands out of pockets). Adjusting the tie is great because of the details, but there's a couple of factors which make me go hands in pockets:
1. +1 on sprezzatura (cheers @Ambiance);
2. it looks more natural - the girl on the left is holding his arm, so to me it doesn't look like a time to adjust your tie (I know it can happen, but we're talking about a logo which embodies a symbol relevant for the vast majority of time and not some specific instances);
3. sadly I can't check it now (technical difficulties), but I bet less detailed logo would look better on mobile due to the fact that everything would be smaller - therefore, the details would be less visible. As I've written before, I believe that the logo should be simple to make it not too cluttered - and hands in pockets gives us just that.

Thanks again for taking my observations into account

Cheers,
J.

 

[Space]

@Chase-

@Space-

I understand, but then it's also vaguer. Very important for me to keep this place focused. If someone asked me "Hey Chase, what is Ask Men about?" or "What's Art of Manliness about?" I couldn't tell you... something something being a man. I know there are a lot of guys who like those sites -- they have more traffic than we do. But I also feel like they're more for entertainment than they are for actual self-improvement. I also want to avoid us trying to be everything to everybody... if you want body-building advice you to go a body-building forum. If you want make-money advice you go to a make-money forum. If you want to get laid or get a girlfriend you go to Girls Chase / Skilled Seducer. Etc.

As for any nearness in name to "Super Seducer"... no, not worried about that. I think they're releasing a second one soon (or have already)? This forum will still be online in 10 years, and I doubt Richard will have Super Seducer 8 out by then or that many people will still be playing the game. Most games fade from the collective memory rather fast. And we have a very different look from that game.

OK, maybe it's just me, or maybe it isn't only for me, you may be bored by my constant references to Mark Manson (even in his earlier pickup days, but after all, Models was last updated in 2016) and Roosh, from where I'm coming from, I simply have to see this journey on a more integrative level, than becoming a Super Seducer or a Skilled Seducer or whatever. I simply can't separate this part of my life out of the big picture. And heck, I'm sure not alone with this. So, something along the lines of personal development for men resonates well with me. And I'm sure not only with me, as this is the theme of my by now boring references, Mark Manson and Roosh, both popular resources. But to add a new one, there's a funnily named site called goodlookingloser.com with subtitles like The Original Hardcore Non-Mainstream Self-Improvement Community. I cannot vouch for its content as I'm not familiar with it, but sure, I dig the description.

As for you the first things come to your mind for the theme self improvement are Ask Men and The Art of Manliness... Ask Men, as far as I recall might have been a bigger name more than a decade ago (with similarly useless advice back then as well), but as their site never comes up in my search results, I think it has became more or less irrelevant by now. The Art of Manliness may have some useful advice on how to tie a tie and how to shave, but I guess I mix that site up with the Art of Charm, which have the more insightful interviews with prominent speakers or educators. I wouldn't put any of these two resources as my start page, but the latter at least comes up in my search results regularly, so I give credit where credit is due. But if I recall correctly, it should be more like The Art of Charm than The Art of Manliness.

We seem to simply see the world through different lenses, but that's OK. It seems to me the same issue as when you mention mainstream media you only mention left leaning CNN, not balancing it with something like more right leaning Fox News, all forgetting than on YouTube, where your presence is just starting up, both are dwarfed by Joe Rogan and most importantly PewDiePie, who may be a major threat to mainstream media as a whole when and if he grows up. Off: If the media bias altogether is so left leaning, then how could Trump win the presidency in your country? The Atlantic has it's moments, again, I wouldn't browse it from it's front page, but some interesting articles come up in my searches.


Anyway, some ideas to the new forum, when and if it materializes:

If it were up to me to run the community, I had a topic structure in between Roosh's forum and the present Girls Chase forum. I find it odd that Roosh's forum doesn't have a section for sex, but maybe a section for family, which Roosh's forum has, would fit here as well. I understand the current focus is well, more focused to include that, but who knows in what directions do you want to enlarge this community, how much do you want to include, what exactly do you want to exclude, and why?

Second, I notice there are redundant subsections here. For example: There is the Lifestyle main forum, where people post everything including travel, fashion, health, and there are the sub-sections of the Lifestyle forum such as Health, Travel, and Fashion, with much less posts, because everyone posts in the main Lifestyle forum for more exposure. I'm guilty of that, too. But it's not only the Lifestlye section. These are subsections for Online Game and journals with a fraction of the exposure, so people tend to post these questions in the main forum sections as well. There was a popular post in the main forum about the STD situation, which should have its place in either Sex or Health if we are consequent, right? Sure, in the main section it got more exposure.

So my idea for the forum structure, on the example of the Lifestlye section. I would ditch the subsections and I had only one level of topics. Like:

- Lifestyle - Health
- Lifestyle -Travel
- Lifestyle - Style
- Lifestyle - Everything Else

I hope you get my idea. Subsections are always less popular. If there is only one level of depth for the sections, every section can get enough popularity. Oh, and one more. I would put the page turn at 10 to 15 posts, not at 30 or at how many at it is now.

 

[Space]

Anyway, some ideas to the new forum, when and if it materializes:

If it were up to me to run the community, I had a topic structure in between Roosh's forum and the present Girls Chase forum. I find it odd that Roosh's forum doesn't have a section for sex, but maybe a section for family, which Roosh's forum has, would fit here as well. I understand the current focus is well, more focused to include that, but who knows in what directions do you want to enlarge this community, how much do you want to include, what exactly do you want to exclude, and why?

Second, I notice there are redundant subsections here. For example: There is the Lifestyle main forum, where people post everything including travel, fashion, health, and there are the sub-sections of the Lifestyle forum such as Health, Travel, and Fashion, with much less posts, because everyone posts in the main Lifestyle forum for more exposure. I'm guilty of that, too. But it's not only the Lifestlye section. These are subsections for Online Game and journals with a fraction of the exposure, so people tend to post these questions in the main forum sections as well. There was a popular post in the main forum about the STD situation, which should have its place in either Sex or Health if we are consequent, right? Sure, in the main section it got more exposure.

So my idea for the forum structure, on the example of the Lifestlye section. I would ditch the subsections and I had only one level of topics. Like:

- Lifestyle - Health
- Lifestyle -Travel
- Lifestyle - Style
- Lifestyle - Everything Else

I hope you get my idea. Subsections are always less popular. If there is only one level of depth for the sections, every section can get enough popularity. Oh, and one more. I would put the page turn at 10 to 15 posts, not at 30 or at how many at it is now.

OK, I've just discovered that we actually do have a forum section for marriage. Sorry for my ignorance. But it's 2nd level deep, and obviously the forum sections on the 1st level of depth get the most, if not all the attention as I described earlier. Anyway, the section on Roosh's forum cater for marriage, family, raising kids, the whole deal, just to give you an idea. While your subtitle implies it's only about pair dynamics inside a marriage. Which immediately takes second place when a baby arrives (no experience, but this is what they say).