Tournament FRC: The Snatch Tournament: July

[fsc]

Aww man, I thought I'd win the lowest-score consolation prize.

I totes forgot about this until just now, and I logged on thinking about saying "at least I'd be the winner if this was golf" or something lame. But nothing ever follows the plan lols.

I promise to be more active once my summer's final essays and presentation and exam are over with this week.

=D

 

[Sophisticated Gent]

Jake,

The tournament raised some questions in my mind. Maybe you or another contestant can answer.

1. What do you find more satisfying, the chase or the final conquest?
2. The contest gives 50 points for a lay. If the conquest is the ultimate goal the points should be higher. Enough to make it very hard if not impossible to win without a lay.
3. If I counted correctly Anatman contacted 125 women with 2 lays maybe 3. That is 57.5 or 41.7 women per lay. Jake had a 3 way. No one else got laid (right?). Out of 12 guys playing only two got laid. In my opinion those are pretty poor numbers. I need to get laid 4 or 5 times a week.
4. Do you keep contact with the women you score with so you can score multiple times.

BigDaddySc

 

[Smurf]

Hey BDSc,

Thanks for your questions, dawg!

1) Depends on how I feel, honestly. Sometimes I know that the grind is what makes me better, and therefore I enjoy that a lot more. Sometimes, I'm horny as fuck and I enjoy the final conquest.

2)I agree to a certain point. The points of a lay should, and are higher than the rest of the point values. They're high enough to a point where someone who can't get a lay as easily as Anatman can catch up if they should decide to put the effort forth. Someone who isn't as experienced and can't get a lay as quickly as him then doesn't feel discouraged from playing altogether. It also motivated you to approach a lot more.

3) Well look at the volume of girls that Anatman is approaching, and his skill level. Not many people are gonna' want to approach that many girls with that much rejection in the search of one goal. It's putting your ego on the line, and it's tough. It definitely depends on your skill level and how you're approaching, all those factors, but this stuff isn't necessarily easy. You have to put in the appropriate work to get the result that you're looking for. Approach, approach, approach.

4)One girl can only count once. You can't repeat lay her multiple times in the month. You can if you want to for your own purposes, but it's not gonna' improve your score.

Jake.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Jake,

The tournament raised some questions in my mind. Maybe you or another contestant can answer.

1. What do you find more satisfying, the chase or the final conquest?
2. The contest gives 50 points for a lay. If the conquest is the ultimate goal the points should be higher. Enough to make it very hard if not impossible to win without a lay.
3. If I counted correctly Anatman contacted 125 women with 2 lays maybe 3. That is 57.5 or 41.7 women per lay. Jake had a 3 way. No one else got laid (right?). Out of 12 guys playing only two got laid. In my opinion those are pretty poor numbers. I need to get laid 4 or 5 times a week.
4. Do you keep contact with the women you score with so you can score multiple times.

BigDaddySc

I'm gonna respond to these, too. Cuz yeah.

1. I think I've discovered that the chase and the victory are the same thing; some of my favorite lays are that which required the most work. While you're slogging through a bunch of rejections, you can't really see the light, but then you fuck a girl randomly and you think "uhh how did that happen? Why this particular girl"? A lot of it is luck homie.

2. When I lost the June tournament to Raquimus, I thought the same thing. But fuck me, he approached a dickton and deserved those points. Also, it's a fucking online tournament

3. I will probably go down in history as the seducer with the worst batting average of all time. I've done 40 approaches in one night before and didn't get laid. Other nights, I've done 5 and got laid. So random. Again, though, it's luck and skill. But think of it this way - if I can put up with the ego abuse of the rejections and fuck-ups that I've handled, what can hurt me? I'm leaning more towards a "transformative" focus on seduction - basically, who can I become to fuck the quantity/quality that I want? It's a subtle distinction from "what do I have to do to fuck the quantity/quality I want," but in subtlety we find more accurate answers.

You want to fuck 4 or 5 girls a week? Here's what you need to do

- Really lower your standards; my lay count would probably be ~150 if I'd dropped my standards as much as my fellow naturals. I'm gonna be real with you, some of the best players I know would fuck some REALLY ratchet girls. I've always had high standards, that's why I've only dicked up 49 girls, but even with that, I've kissed well over a thousand, gotten blown by hundreds, and fingerbanged just as many. Imagine what you can do if you're really okay with fucking ratchet girls.

- Get in good shape, study the fashion of men's magazines, get an amazing haircut, and maybe some tattoos.

- Quit your job, unless you're making a lot of money and have a lot of free time, and become an artist of some sort, so that you have a lot of free time, are focused on your passion, and also are surrounded by sluts

- Dedicate the rest of your time to studying seduction; I've read every article on this site at least 10 times and have read the material of many other guys (though Chase is hands-down the best, trust me; that's why I'm here and not with anyone else)

- Prove you're really fucking good and dedicated and get someone to mentor you

- Approach about 200 women a week. I don't know how good you are now, but if you're not already a pimp, probably more

I know men who pull as much as me/more than me, but they're usually work in social environments or have been doing this MUCH longer than me (i.e., they're much older, like 4+ years). My homie who's my age fucked 3 new girls last week, but he has a girlfriend (which gives him girlfriend confidence, a magic potion of awesomeness that I'll write about sometime), and he is in a very...lucrative environment. But even he said, "dude I'm a hot streak, but it's not really that I'm the shit; just really good circumstances."

Unless you do some or all of these, you PROBABLY won't be banging 4 new girls a week (well, actually, if you hardcore lower your standards, then it could be really easy).

The other alternative is get famous, but even that supply of pussy won't make-up for bad game and you'll get played like a bitch by a girl who's your equal value.

4. If you want to be fucking 3 or 4 new girls a week, limit your experience with these girls to one night, unless she's super high value - otherwise, you'll get lazy, fall back on fuckbuddies, and stop going out. But, if you can get a hot primary to keep your dick wet and confidence up while you still go out, that'll help.

To me, mastering seduction is the 2nd hardest thing in the world. Writing, martial arts, and competitive video games are cake compared to this (these are the other arts I've ventured into) . Why? Because women are the most sought-after object in our universe (the only men who escape the intoxicating lure are those who aim their cock at the arts and sciences. Or, even more rarely, those who have sought the highest art - spiritual awakening).

- Anatty

 

[Sophisticated Gent]

Anatman

I like to ask leading questions. The reason I brought up the numbers is because I see PUA throwing numbers like 33% around as their success ratio. I don't believe it for several reasons. Basically I got you guys to show the numbers are much lower. I think this needs to be address. I know guys that sell PUA books and stuff need to up sell to get more guys buying their stuff. But it can be discouraging to not have the success they are throwing around. If they were brutally honest the numbers would be like 1 to 3%. Why so low? First basic genetics makes us sexually attracted to only certain people. You find whom you find attractive and I find other women attractive. The studies I have seen state that we are attracted to about 1 in 15 people. This is 6.67% of people. As an example I look at our local new. There most of the people are selected for their general appearance and appeal. Out of the 10 female broadcasters I only fine one very sexually attractive even though they are all attractive people. This is just our genetics at work to keep the human race multiplying. If we were all attracted to only a small percentage of the women there would be a lower birth rate and many more wars. So we start at say 7%. Now when you approach a women who is attracted to you all of the circumstances have to align for you to get from being attracted to getting laid. I think it would be easy to figure 15 to 50% success. This would drop the overall closure to between 1 to 3.5%. If you reverse the numbers, these means you have to approach between 33 and 100 women. So you closure rate is actually reasonable. Another note is it doesn't matter how picky you are. If you approach 100 hot women or 100 average women your success rate will only go up slightly because the ratio of those who find us attractive is relatively the same. Out of 100 women 6.67 will be attracted to you no matter who you are.

I will approach the other responses soon. Right now I have to get back to work.

 

[Smurf]

BDSc,

I don't really think anyone on this forum uses ratios to express their success with women.

Jake.

 

[Sophisticated Gent]

BDSc,

I don't really think anyone on this forum uses ratios to express their success with women.

Jake.

Sasha Daygame is one I have heard state percentages. Yes I know he is not on this forum.

 

[Sophisticated Gent]

Jake,

4. If you want to be fucking 3 or 4 new girls a week, limit your experience with these girls to one night, unless she's super high value - otherwise, you'll get lazy, fall back on fuckbuddies, and stop going out. But, if you can get a hot primary to keep your dick wet and confidence up while you still go out, that'll help.

- Anatty

This makes me wonder what the goal of the PUA is? My goal would be to collect a book of ladies I can lay on a consistent basis. I would like to have 10 really hot ladies to choose from. Of course new ladies would be needed as some move on. But from your statement I think the goal is to hit them once and look for a new conquest. It is like being a salesman with no repeat business. That is a hell of a lot of work.

 

[ray_zorse]

You said you need to get laid 3~4 nights per week, well that's not so difficult (just get a steady GF, or what you described as a "book", which we usually refer to here as a "circle of FWB"), but Anatman interpreted this as saying 3~4 NEW girls per week, and that would be bloody difficult, the minute you let your game or effort level slip your numbers would go down. Prepare to use Tinder and to spend almost all of your free time dating, haha. Or follow Anatty's advice and completely change up your whole finances and lifestyle to make it more conducive to PU. Personally my favoured approach is to be always "on" and approaching anywhere but without investing too much energy unless she seems keen (like RadEng said). Just getting random dates, 2~3 a week, from girls I meet on the train, in department stores, etc (I do not have all that much dating window, only 3~4 weeknights per week, plus some weekend daytime each fortnight, also have many conflicting priorities). And getting laid once a month, lately most of my dates were FU due to missed window, which is a side effect of making myself much sexier so that the windows are coming much harder and faster, my brain had not really caught up with this change, hahaha.
Ray