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jack3725

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Hi GC,

I'm a college student and just started my spring classes two weeks ago. When I walked into one of my classes for the first time, I saw a really cute girl. As I walked to a chair she stared into my eyes. I mean, THE stare. I've only ever seen that from people I've ended up dating and girls at clubs who want to dance dirty. So after class I approached her and we talked, and talked, and talked, for about a 30 minutes. This was a good sign. We added each other on Facebook right then.

A day after that I asked her a question about if she got into a class she wanted (something we were talking about the previous day), and then the conversation just took off and we talked about all sorts of other random stuff--her often having the last word in a sequence of messages. So that night I asked her to coffee the next day and she said yes and that she'd see me tomorrow (with an exclamation point).

The next day she moved seats in two classes we share to sit next to me, and then after class when we went to coffee we talked for 3 hours before we realized it was late. Things seemed to be going well so when we said goodbye, I gave her a hug and told her I had fun and that we should grab lunch or dinner sometime. She hugged back, but it all felt a little awkward.

We didn't share any classes the next day, and didn't text much. And the day after that when we had class she was still sitting next to me and I caught her looking at me out of the corner of her eye quite often during class. We talked some more, but goodbye was weird yet again--I feel like she expected more than just a "Bye, I have to go this way." from me, but after the weird hug, I wanted to play it cool.

I messaged later that night, but the conversation was rather sparse and strange, and the next day I messaged her and apologized for perhaps coming off too forward after coffee. She said she hadn't known how to read that, and "thinks that she sees me as a future best friend." Then our conversation suddenly became easier, and the text messages flowed better.

Since then, when we've seen each other in person, she's continued to do things that unsettle me and make me think there's possibly more to it: she still sits close to me, and just as before, laughs at all my jokes, whispers things in my ear, leans towards me. She also sits close to another of her male friends and she doesn't do any of this for him. Also, when we're not in class, we still talk about random stuff, she teases me in a playful way and when I'm talking she always gives me her full attention. Also, she's very physically and mentally comfortable with me: personal space doesn't matter, touching her arm doesn't phase her, and for someone she just met recently, she always just trusts me with her handbag and other valuables.

My gut tells me she said the thing about friends to slow things down or because there's some external reason why it wouldn't be acceptable for us to date. I have best friends who are girls, and let's just say it's taken years to be half as comfortable with me as this girl I met two weeks ago.

I'd really like to hear some other opinions on this and how I should proceed. I think if she's into me, I have a small window to make my move, otherwise, we will just be friends.
 

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Okay Jack, here's my analysis (and welcome to the forum, by the way!):

Your girl gave you massive investment, and spontaneous at that (meaning you didn't even have to ask her for it), including:

  • Putting herself forward by staring at you in a very obvious way, at possible risk to her class reputation (yes—other girls will have noticed)
  • Suggesting the very next day when she accepted your date proposal
  • Moving to be close to you in class of her own accord
  • Sneaking glances at you
  • Spinning out the date for 3 hours of her time (presumably valuable time, given she's a cute and thus in-demand chick)
And what did you do to reward that investment? I'm not gonna sugar-coat here, Jack, that would be disrespectful to you as a fellow forum-member and wouldn't do you any favors. I'm gonna give it to you straight. You:

  • Gave her a buddy-hug at the end of the date instead of kissing her
  • At your very next meeting, made a try-hard effort to "play things cool" and bade her a dismissive farewell
  • Messaged her and apologized for moving too fast (you hadn't!) when if anything you should be making excuses for your coolness and slowness
  • Accepted her "friend" frame both explicitly in her message (disappointing her—it was a test) and implicitly by holding her bag and stuff
  • Allowed things to slow down when you yourself say the pair of you have a comfortable vibe
Again Jack, I'll be candid with you. If I were this girl I'd be fucking furious at you by this point. She must like you a lot to still be mulling things over.

You know what to do. Get in there fast and turn things around before she sinks into the depths of auto-rejection and friend-zones you totally. Have you read Secrets to Getting Girls: Staying Out of Auto-Rejection? If you have, read it again, carefully this time :)

Good luck... I'm not too confident that this can be saved, but she seems to like you so much, you owe it to her to give it all you've got :)

-Marty

PS. read this too—it's highly relevant to your situation: Get Girls Chasing: Give a Little to Get a Lot
 
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jack3725

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Thank you for the advice. It's much appreciated.

I'm still confused as to why she said no to dinner directly after our coffee date.
 

Marty

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jack3725 said:
I'm still confused as to why she said no to dinner directly after our coffee date.
Possibly because you'd missed multiple Escalation Windows. My guess is it was time to move things forward, not spin things out for another date.

Let me check here... You're romantically interested in her, yes? Don't want to just spend time chatting, am I correct?

She's probably as confused as I am ;)
 

jack3725

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Okay. On Monday when I see her again, I will attempt to escalate things and see how things go.
 

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Jack, yes but try to move things forward when she gives you the opportunity, as described in the last article I linked: don't just push it willy-nilly. She'll have a lot more respect for you if you don't hide your interest. Good luck to you :) -Marty
 
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