Friend Zoned?

[josephjo]

A few weeks I direct opened this girl, got the number and date set up.
Long story short- We go on informational date, connect bond and whatnot and I don't try to kiss her. I think this is partly do to the fact that she mentioned in our conversation she doesn't kiss on first dates. She goes back to work and the next few days we text and I set up a 2nd date.
We go on 2nd date, I try to kiss her over 10 times in the night and this girl actually comes back to my house has drinks and only sleeps in my bed. Didn't try to physically escalate because she wasn't willing to kiss me, I figure nothing else could happened. I thought well that was definitely a fail but she keeps texting me and I have a date with her tomorrow. Here's my questions concerns:

1) Did she friend zone me? I can't tell but since there is no physical escalation it leads me to think so.
2) If I fell into the boyfriend category, what's the best way to get her into bed?
3) Should I continue to try to kiss her on our dates? It seems to me that this might make her think I am chasing her.
4) I do like this girl and its why I continue to go out with her but is there a time in our relationship where I should call it quits? After a certain number of dates?

Thanks!

 

[PinotNoir]

I'll let the other guys answer this more thoroughly, but my thoughts:

If a girl doesn't let you kiss her AND you won't keep trying at night, don't let her sleep over. If she wants the cuddling, she needs to let you kiss her. Tick for tack.

As for kissing, read this: https://www.girlschase.com/content/how-kiss-girl-no-ones-ever-kissed-her

I have a FR++ I posted where the girl was just like this. The date went really well, and I tried the romantic kiss several times and just couldn't pull it off! I then went for the spontaneous kiss. Opened the doors wide open. It's GREAT that you persisted, but sometimes, it's NOT enough to just persist -- you have to try something new/different as well after so many tries.

Essentially, you just want to be talking about something (non-kissing related) and leaning kind of close. Then -- bam -- smack one on her lips. Then go back to talking about the subject or hold eye contact like I did.

I love the spontaneous kiss for first kisses now, especially for a conservative girl or a girl that may put up a lot of resistance or to just make it more interesting.

To be honest, I've never tried the manhandle kiss, and I'm a little hesitant about it. But I can tell you right now that I've read lots of LRs where guys used the manhandle kiss. It may just be the type of girls I date (cute/innocent)... I know I'm just making excuses for myself, but it's been difficult for me to follow through with the manhandle kiss. It feels "rapey" even though it's not really. Either way, if the spontaneous kiss doesn't work, fall to the manhandle kiss. If she slaps you or w/e, end it; it's not worth it, and she doesn't like you.

Ultimately, if you can't get the kiss on the 3rd date, end it. Use this as a learning experience. Else, it's going to be a waste of time and draining on your energy.