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Verisimilitude

Cro-Magnon Man
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Wow. Its been a while since I put up a FR. I've had other things on my mind, but I want to get back to putting more of these up. I'll have one about a cruise coming up soon too.

This really should be a LR, but things went awry. It's not a problem with my game, and didn't have anything to do with her. Shit just happens. Anyways, I want to put this up because it was smooth and felt natural. Its getting to the point where if I'm not alone and making out with a girl at least once on the weekend, I seriously fucked up. For a guy who couldn't get a homecoming date in high school, that's pretty cool.

My game is all about three things: Fundamentals, Process, and Persistence. Its what made this so easy. No lines, no routines, no bullshit.

So to start things off, I was in my room during a party talking to two girls. They're were both in Tri Delta and are big and little. I had hooked up with the big sister, and I was originally planning to try and do that again. But I wanted to at least try for a threesome/ practice openers, so I threw out a compliment to her little. She lights up and eventually I sit next to her. It takes less than five minutes before I realize that there's an attraction (I should have noticed earlier, but I was focused on her big sister). So I go from the big sister to the little sister (the girl who this FR is about). Sorority girls do this a lot, I've noticed. If you make a good impression on the big sister, the little sister will come looking for you soon enough.


This is what fundamentals do. They get your foot in the door and are what creates attraction.


So I keep talking to her and then we go to find another party. I would have just kept her in my room, but my friends are in there and aren't leaving so...I have to move her somewhere else. We dance for a bit at one place, and I grab her hand. I'm not sure which article it was on the main site, but Ricardus wrote a great article about holding a girls hand in a sexual, yet also light way. So I tried it. She loved it. I think that might be a new step to add to my process. We eventually head back to my place. The only problem was that she was leading the interaction sometimes. She would grab my hand and pull me. I led her just as much though, so I don't think it hurt me too much.


This is how my process works. I didn't follow it exactly because of logistical issues, but basically its, open, move (+ hand hold), deep dive, isolate, escalate and finish. Simple enough to follow and remember, comprehensive enough to get the job done.


I also had to deal with other girls and guys. My friends and her friends were always around and I had to help her hook up her friend. Didn't phase me. I had no problem waiting, because I knew we'd end up together. I even whispered to her what I'd do when we were alone. She loved it. It also helped that this girl was very sexual and aggressive. I waited for my friends to leave too. All while deep diving with her, but more sexual that deep topics.


This is Persistence. Its having the knowledge that you will get this girl and she wants to be with you. I could have done better with this. When they left, I waited, and she told me that I should come with them/her. It worked because I got her to invest, chase, and keep my social reputation, but it was also risky because she could have left. So I need to be more confident in what I have and that girls want to be with me. Does anyone know how to graciously invite yourself along with the girl? I figure most times if she wants me, she'll invite me, but I'd like to get the girls who aren't 100% sure too.


Finally we were alone. As soon as we were, I grabbed her and kissed her. Its just a natural reaction now. I was rougher than usual, and she was really into it. I felt like a lover, not a boyfriend, which was awesome. I was about to go even further, but her big sister came in and grabbed her stuff. And then the girl who I was making out with left for a second to "check up on her" in the next room, but what she was really doing was getting the confirmation to have sex with me. I didn't mind her leaving, because I knew what it was and that she'd come back.

Then, other things happened. Its not relevant to my game or anything seduction wise. But it made it so I couldn't continue things with the girl that night. Unfortunately, this is a problem with night game. Sometimes things out of your control just come up mess things up.

I am pretty confident that without the distraction, I could have gotten a LR. Of course I didn't so I feel a little bummed.

I don't really have any questions/areas to work on, besides the bolded one, but I'm happy to answer any questions you guys might have about my process, persistence, or fundamentals.

V
 
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Verisimilitude

Cro-Magnon Man
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LR: Take Two

Verisimilitude said:
I am pretty confident that without the distraction, I could have gotten a LR. Of course I didn't so I feel a little bummed.

No distractions this time. And I didn't disappoint. If someone could change this to a LR I'd appreciate it ;)

I'll put up more details in another post later (sorry about the multiple posts)

V
 

Marty

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Re: FR++ Fundamentals, Process, Persistance

Congratulations, Verisimilitude! I was going to write that I couldn't see any obvious errors, so it makes perfect sense that you managed to eliminate the distractions and are now filing a lay report.

How did you reengage?

The way you obtained status with the alpha female before seducing the younger is straight out of the textbook. Brilliant!
 

Verisimilitude

Cro-Magnon Man
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Re: FR++ Fundamentals, Process, Persistance

So I promised more details and here it is. Right now my biggest problem is going to be walking the lover/ boyfriend line. But I think I will be ok because of time and the way I came off.

Marty, I had reopened her with just a text and asking her to come by tonight. I felt like I made a good enough impression that I would get another chance. And opening her big wasnt really for status, it was just because I knew her. But it worked out.

Really this LR is all about persistence. I had to overcome a good amount of stuff, but I stuck with it. But that doesn't mean fundamentals and process weren't just as important. You'll see what I mean.

I met the girl at my house. We danced and I took her upstairs. But she had friends with her and didn't want to leave them. So I played it cool and didn't get angry. Her friend wanted to go meet a guy, so we went to another party. It was a struggle to get in. It was an athlete party, and fraternity men and athletes don't get along at my school. I also had to deal with some guys she met that were tagging along. I wasn't too nervous because I had been holding her hand and she came to meet me to start. I waited for her a couple times, something that I don't usually do.How do you guys deal with when a girl goes to the bathroom/outside and asks you to wait? I feel like just waiting is compliance and puts me into boyfriend territory, and leaving is bad too. I think what I'm gonna do from now on is just talk to people around in the area, so I'm there but I'm also not just waiting for her like a statue.

I also fucked up at this point. I told her that I deserved a award for being so persistent. Not a great thing to say. It was chasing, needy, and in public it wasn't the right thing to say for her social reputation.

But again, fundamentals carried the day. The guys saw me as dominant and that I had her. So they backed off, and even encouraging me. Her girl friends also just magically melted away. Huh. Its refreshing to not have to deal with cockblocks. We partied for a little longer and then we just walked back to her apartment. No pull necessary. Great fundamentals open so many doors. Its like playing on easy mode compared to when I started.

We got back, and then immediate escalation. Lights off, no LMR, and then we all know what happens next.

I think I left on a good note and I wouldn't mind seeing her again. But if I don't, I've been meeting a new girl nearly every weekend. So let's just say I've got options ;)

The questions I have are:

Where do I go now? I sent a follow up text, and my plan is that she'll be down next weekend too.
How do I manage the boyfriend/lover line?
How do I wait for her without being needy?

I still have major areas to work on, especially after sex. I feel like I'm chasing the girl after we have sex, which makes no sense. Anyone got any advice/articles for this?
 

Franco

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V,

Not a lot to add to this one!

I agree with Casanova and your assumption that you engage other people while waiting for a girl. There are certainly cases where waiting for a girl won't hurt your chances... leaving her and wandering off somewhere else at that point might have actually sent her into auto-rejection because she was so into you, so it's good you recognized that.

Where do I go now? I sent a follow up text, and my plan is that she'll be down next weekend too.

Sounds about right. Nothing to add here.

How do I manage the boyfriend/lover line?

She should be coming straight over to your place. No "date-sy" stuff outside of your home. You can probably have food and or watch a movie alone together, but anything involving friends of yours or hers should be avoided as best as possible. Also, keep in mind the 7-10 day rule. Don't see her more often than once a week.

How do I wait for her without being needy?

If you're talking about in person, then that was answered above. Try to engage other people in the nearby vicinity (but be careful about flirtatiously engaging other girls if she's really into you; that can send her into auto-rejection). Engaging other guys is probably the safest route. Only engage other girls if you feel like she's just trying to out-frame you as being higher value than you.

If you were referring to what to do before she comes to see you next weekend, then there's nothing you need to do if you already set up the date. If she contacts you, feel free to respond warmly and let her know you two will have a good time this weekend. =)

Good stuff, V! Not hesitating was certainly something that helped move this interaction forward. You were sure of what you wanted, and you lead the interaction accordingly to get it.

- Franco
 

Verisimilitude

Cro-Magnon Man
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Thanks Franco! The part about waiting is a HUGE help. I've struggled with that before.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure if I'll get this girl on a date. I kind of said something over text that wasn't the best thing to say. I don't think its over, but I'm not sure how to respond. I've ignored the text and since she texted last, it isn't terrible. But I can either A. Text her soon or B. text her in a couple days. I don't want to be needy, but I don't like ending a conversation on a bad note and risk sending her into auto-reject. What are your guys thoughts?
 
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