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JPWorld

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Gentlemen,

I apologise I’ve been away for so long. I’m currently recovering from a double jaw operation and I honestly didn't expect to be back on the boards with anything of note until March time, however life has these little surprises ;)

This girl is someone who has been in my class from the beginning of October and although Chase normally says get in there fast, I honestly just saw her as a friend and wasn’t really hoping/expecting anything.

Back in October in the first lesson, I was talking to a few girls in there (majority of class is female), quite a few for the first time, and then this German sits down and I just open her up immediately (can’t remember what I said, but I think it was “where are you from?”). Having an international in the class immediately drew my attention, especially as I’m learning that language. I always try and make good friends with internationals for future travelling purposes and whatnot.

Anyway a few months went by and I didn’t think anything of it, but we clicked quite well and always sat next to each other. I was invited to her flat a few times for gatherings/pizza nights etc. In December I was there having a film night with her flat mates and we started cuddling a little bit, and that’s when I knew something was on. However we were never alone as the two of us so nothing developed. And then she flew back to Germany for Christmas and I went into Hospital for my operation.

We texted quite a bit over the Christmas period. I usually hate texting and everyone thinks I’m a bad texter, but I always just say I prefer meeting up in person. I avoid huge, long messages about life events like the plague. However I was recovering and just lying in bed for two weeks so we shared a few messages.

Turns out over this Christmas period it had really clicked with her how much she liked me ( she told me this later ) (and I think she told a few of her German friends back home too from what I can work out).

So around 6th January I go round and her American flatmate has her boyfriend over and we all sit in a watch a movie together, both of us cuddling up. Leads to nothing though, and wasn’t expecting it to either.

See her once or twice, a few kisses ensued, and then last Sunday, with her entire flat gone, we stepped things up a gear.

Laying there watching a film and things started getting heated, dry humping and eventually leading me to fingering her over the top and behind when she was on top of me. We started to get really heated, clothes came off and I made her cum multiple times with fingers and licking her. I made her cum hard, to the point she was like “Okay, you don’t need to worry, you’re really good in bed.” However, every time I got her super heated I asked if I should get a condom and she said no.


She was adamant she wasn’t going to sleep with me. She said she wanted to, but she wasn’t going to.

I rinse and repeat, using everything I knew about overcoming LMR. Pulling back and chilling out a bit before getting her outrageously excited, but to no avail. We spent hours talking, saying what we liked about each other, how comfortable she felt around me, how she could just be herself. How she realised over Christmas how much she liked me, but was worried I just wanted a quick shag and to move on.

She also started talking more about sex, both discussing past partners. This girl seemed like the most innocent girl ever, yet she’d done more than most girls. Tied up twice, anal, 69, and a facial (which she didn’t enjoy haha). This surprised me a lot (I didn’t show it) but started to wonder why she would do all that but was ‘resisting me.’ She also used an excuse to be that her news years resolution was to not sleep with guys she wasn’t in a relationship with. She said that she hasn’t slept with more than 10 guys (which I don’t believe, I’m guessing between 12-16), yet she lost her virginity at 15. So why not me? The more we talked the more the reason started becoming clear:

She liked me ‘too’ much.

This girl had fallen for me…hard.

And on Wednesday she was flying back to Germany for good and no real chance of seeing me until April when I move to a different city to her in Germany, but there’s the chance I’ll visit her.

This started around 10.30pm and stopped about 4/5am. She had said many times now and I didn’t want to persist to the point that it seemed that’s all I wanted, so we went to sleep. I, however, can’t sleep when in bed with a girl (this is like the 4th time this has happened, I genuinely think I have a problem) and around 8am I head home, agreeing I’ll be over Tuesday night before she grabs her flight Wednesday morning. I leave with her saying to me “You have left me truly satisfied.”

So Tuesday night I head over and we immediately start chilling, order a take-away and eat that whilst watching something, then start heating up. It’s not long before I’m fingering her and she’s giving me a hand job. Over time this builds up to licking and blowjobs. She says how she knows sex with me will be absolutely amazing and she really really wants to, but she won’t do it. There were times where we were just naked on top of each other, grabbing and pretending like we were having sex with humping movements but she just didn’t want it inside her. After a few more orgasms etc and some chatting, she says how she still feels just so comfortable with me, and I start bringing up the topic of places she’s had sex, she says car and shower and we discuss sex positions like lifting the girl up against the wall, which she loves.

Staying on this topic, we decide to shower together. It was fun, the entire time she was saying how ‘hot’ I was and many sexual acts were performed. We come out, chill and chat some more, then she wants me to tie her up and turn her on hard.

I went full out - she loves dirty talk? She got dirty talk, I tied her and blindfolded her with my scarf and teased the shit out of her. I’ve never had a girl so ramped up, on the brink of absolutely exploding. Licking and teasing her, whispering in her ear how hard I’d fuck her. She loves it. If this couldn’t convince her, I was out of ideas.

But still said no sex.

Fuck. Sake.

I was out. I accepted the fact it wasn’t going to happene, licked her out and made her orgasm unbelievably hard and after chilling a bit after, I headed home as I had to get up for the hospital in the morning and she had her flight.

And that’s it. Part of me thinks it’s all to do with my vibe. I used to be the absolute white knight guy, and I’ve moved away from that a lot now, but maybe too much. Maybe I’m too lover type.

She’s trying to make me a provider even though she knows it’s not going to happen due to where we live. So she doesn’t want to sleep with me so she still holds something over me. Next time I see her, I still haven’t ‘conquered’ her in her eyes. She still holds something over me. But when I made her cum, she screams out “Why are you so perfect?!” so I kind of get confused haha!

A few are probably thinking why I didn’t just shove my dick in her, but one thing I aim to be and one thing I believe this site teaches extremely well is being a Gentlemen. Shoving my dick in her when it’s something she didn’t necessarily want wholeheartedly could have bad consequences - for how she sees me, her trust in men and she could even turn it into rape (worst case).

We've been texting still, now she's back in Germany and she misses me a lot. This might turn into a long-distance fuckbuddy thing, I have no idea. But I'm keeping neutral and going to try and keep her interest up over the next month or two until there's more of an opportunity to see her.

But overall I’m quite happy. I really wasn't expecting this and the Law of Least Effort is a wonderful thing as I did absolutely NOTHING. The beginning of February is my year anniversary of losing my virginity and although I would have liked to have gotten another lay this month (there’s still time!), getting 5 lays in my first year is pretty satisfying and I aim to hit 20 by the end of the year (yup, trying to step things up a bit).

Would really appreciate feedback on this situation as I had another LMR case a few months back that I still can’t get my head around. (viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12065&p=60924#p60924)

So some light being shed may sort this all out.

Cheers

- JP
 

wahoo

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JP World,

Her refusal to let you fuck her simply means she values your provider value (boyfriend) too much and not willing to let quick sex ruin it. Her sexual history has taught her that and she is adamant about it. She has quite some sexual experiences and has good frame control.

Throughout your report, you simply persisted to escalate. But you did not disqualify yourself as a boyfriend in a meaningful way (you may reinforce it based on what I read) and did not address her concern, thus no lay so far.

I suggest leave her alone if you do not plan to see her as a girlfriend as the chance of turning her into a FWB is slim and that may leave some peace to both you and her.
 

JPWorld

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Wahoo,

Nailed it.

That's exactly what happened. Just didn't make it clear that this wasn't going to be anything serious, especially as we were both going to be changing locations.

Thanks for reading and for your input!

- JP
 

Dallas

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Hey JPWorld,

Overall you did a really great job. Good persistance. I have two things that might help you out a bit:

1. For Lmr, I agree that you shouldn't just shove your Dick in a girl if she's saying no sex. A technique you can try is while laying on top of her missionary style, kissing her neck or breasts, very slowly and deliberately rub your cock on her clit. If she likes that, you can try sliding in the tip. From there, she'll either moan, give coy resistance, tell you to grab a condom, or give a firm no. Adjust your response accordingly.

2. Do you feel like you might have (subconsciously) been treating her like she was on a pedastool? Your title says that you were trying to convince her, which makes me think that you might have been, if only slightly.
The mindset that works best for me is "I wanna fuck your brains out, but I'm cool with us doing whatever your comfortable with". Its possible that the vibe you were giving off was "I want to fuck you so bad right now, but I guess this is cool too". Its a subtle mindset shift, but it can make a big difference.

Again, awesome job and I hope I was able to help a bit.

-Dallas
 
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JPWorld

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Dallas, hey!

Dallas said:
For Lmr, I agree that you shouldn't just shove your Dick in a girl if she's saying no sex. A technique you can try is while laying on top of her missionary style, kissing her neck or breasts, very slowly and deliberately rub your cock on her clit. If she likes that, you can try sliding in the tip. From there, she'll either moan, give coy resistance, tell you to grab a condom, or give a firm no. Adjust your response accordingly.

Yeah, I like that, will be sure to use that more often.

Dallas said:
Do you feel like you might have (subconsciously) been treating her like she was on a pedastool? Your title says that you were trying to convince her, which makes me think that you might have been, if only slightly.

Yes, but as you say subconsciously. When I read that I was like "hm maybe", but I wasn't putting her up there as much as I have done with previous girls/in the past. Something I'm proud to have changed. But I agree, definitely subconsciously. However, I still feel as if I was above her slightly as she was trying to pull me into a provider type role.

Dallas said:
Its possible that the vibe you were giving off was "I want to fuck you so bad right now, but I guess this is cool too". Its a subtle mindset shift, but it can make a big difference.

Nailed it. Will definitely start using this mentality more!
Dallas said:
"I wanna fuck your brains out, but I'm cool with us doing whatever your comfortable with"

Cheers brother!

- JP
 

JPWorld

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Gentlemen,

I feel like this topic has had enough said about it and I want to thank the guys for their input...

BUT there's been a new development...

She sent me a goddamn handwritten letter.

We messaged still a bit this week and FaceTimed a few times, but I'm going to really need your feedback on this letter and how to respond to it:


Dear JP,

this is why I wanted your address. Just to be able to write you a letter. I wanted to do this all the time I was over there, but I either could not find the right words or the time to do it. But just now it feels like it is about time. It feels as if there is something in me that has to be said or written down. You do not need to respond to all this. That is not what this letter is about. I just really need to write everything down because it makes me feel better. I hope this does not seem selfish. I am not even sure if I will ever bring this to the post office, having it sent to you. I am writing you this letter to tell you how much you mean to me, and to thank you for coming into my life.

First of all I want to thank you. I am very grateful to have met you. You comforted me in all our German classes and many other situations. I do not know how I would have survived them without you sitting next to me. Every Monday was a real pleasure to me and I as always looking forward to those 90 minutes just because of you, making it fun. I do not really know how I could have gone through this semester abroad without you and the help you offered me. It cannot be taken for granted to find so much willingness to help. No matter what, you have always had an answer to all those stupid, funny and extraordinary questions of mine. Meeting you in the gym or in XYZ building made me feel home and it was nice to know that there is a friend I could count on. - Thank you! -

But there is more I guess. Being apart from you is more difficult than I ever imagined. I knew it might get hard but I did not think that it would become as overwhelming as it does. When I was on my way back home I was crying so much and just could not stop, not even when I finally arrived home safely.

The night we spent together - my last night in England - was just really special for me. Sometimes I regret that we did not do it. I know, you told me...and you really wanted it, but I wanted it t be special and different. And to be honest - it would have made it even harder for me. I really like you, JP. You are such a lovely and wonderful person. I like your honesty with makes it so easy to be with you. It feels just natural and relaxing. Thank you for all the memories. You made me laugh as hard as no one ever did before and your sense of humour is just marvellous. You always gave me those looks that made me feel special and appreciated. I miss them a lot. I miss everything about you and tonight, as I write this letter I can recall our time as if it was just now. I feel your hands running up and down my back, smooth and gentle, your fingers in my hair, tucking it behind my ear, the soft breath of your kisses on my head and cheek and even your fingers tickling and teasing me.

When I saw you on FaceTime the other day I just really wanted to be with you. It even excited me to see you and talk to you. I wanted you so badly. There are reminders of you everywhere I look and they make me ache to be near you again. I am thinking of you a lot, wishing you were here with me. I want to feel your skin on mine, want to be close to you, feel you. You really comforted me and released my stress.
I would even call it perfect.

After our first kiss you asked me for how long I wanted to do this. At first I was not even sure if I ever really wanted this. I was just so confused about you, I honestly did not realise how much I liked you until I went home for Christmas. I guess I was the only person in this world that did not know, as there were some comments people made towards that topic. Maybe I did not want it to become real as I knew it would not really work out after me leaving England. But I am glad that I finally realised and discovered all this. It was really nice getting closer to you as a friend and find out who you truly were first, and what you're really like. You are such an interesting person and I get the impression that you will always surprise me with a new fact about yourself, I guess you will never get boring. There is so much about you to discover - just like an island no one has ever set foot on before. I would just love to know everything about you.

I am really sorry if this letter is way too honest, forward and pushy but this is me I guess. As I am a really emotional and sensitive person, I sometimes get a little overwhelmed with my feelings. I apologise, but I really need to say what is on my mind.

Still, I'm scared, because I am growing a deep feeling inside my heart that I just cannot explain, I truly do not know what your feelings are, but I do not want to force you to tell me something you don't really feel towards me. Or anything at all.

Just keep this letter and let us never talk about it...I just wanted you to know. Please keep it confidential.

Love, XYZ

P.S. As I told you on FaceTime I would come over for a weekend in February if you'd want to see me again. The flights are really cheap right now and I guess I made a point why I would come visit you, BUT! I do understand if you do not feel comfortable with that thought - this is totally fine and understandable. I guess I would be the same and it would make me really nervous if you'd wanted to visit me now. If you would want it, tell me, it not, just don't talk about it at all.



Wow. I'm...er....speechless. I did say that she had fallen for me hard.

Do I write a letter back? I'm worried that keeping contact and her seeing me in February is just going to make it into like a long-distance relationship and I don't want that now. especially as I'm going to be moving around so much this year. It's not her, she's a lovely girl. I'm just planning on starting fresh when I move to Germany in 2 months time and trying to take my game to the next level. Her town will be a fair distance from the one I'm moving to, and I'm only there for about 4 months.

How do I handle this? Really need some pointers here!

Cheers

- JP
 
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