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Getting The House After A Divorce?

Tim Iron

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In most American films that I watch, the woman usually get the house after the divorce (half of the man's assets). I was thinking if a man buys his residential house with a company (e.g Tayo ltd) that he has 5% share/stock ownership and his mother owns 95% share/stock ownership (while he has 99% control of the company). When the man marries, and assuming he gets a divorce, would the man be able to keep the house since the house is NOT his own but a company asset that he only has 5% stake in?

Does anyone know if the man can still get the house after the divorce?
 

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Hey Tayo,

Divorce law is vastly different everywhere you go. The man can get the house, sure. There's no mathematical formulas that go into deciding these things, ultimately it's the judges decision as to who gets what in a divorce.

In my case, my wife did not have enough income to pay for the home + utilities and upkeep, so I ended up getting the house. However, both parties will split the equity in the home (if there is any). So if the man keeps the home, and there's 50k equity in the home, he would then owe her 25k. Now again, that's USUALLY how it works. There's all kinds of special scenarios where the judge will do different things so it's fair and equal for both parties (even though it's always almost never fair nor equal ;)

Also, if the two parties reach an agreement, there's no need for the judge to rule on anything. So if she agrees to give him the home, in exchange for other assets or half the equity, this can be done without the judge making the decision so long as, again, the two parties and their attorneys (in the case that they have them) agree on it and put together the necessary paperwork.

Again, family and divorce law varies drastically from place to place, but that's how it works here.

J.J.
 

Tim Iron

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thanks narrow j, what I just wanted to know is whether the house would even be an issue during the divorce since I am not the owner of the house (it is a company house where I own only 5% in the company).

As in we were just living in a company house so during the divorce the house is not an issue since it is not "technically" my own.
 

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To me, that sounds like a special scenario that you might want to consult with an attorney about. I'm not exactly sure!

J.J.
 

Tim Iron

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ok... I was secretly hoping that we had a law student (or lawyer) in the house that could answer. Thanks!
 

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Tayo-

Depending on local divorce laws and the worth of the company / its assets, the man may well either need to give part of his ownership of his company to his ex-wife on separation, or an equivalent amount of money.

e.g., let's say Tayo Itd. is worth $500,000, and $150,000 of that is the value of the home. Tayo owns 5% of that, so $25,000. Let's say Tayo also has $10,000 in liquid savings in the bank, $20,000 in retirement savings, and $5,000 in debt. Tayo's total assets are $50,000 ($25K + $10K + $20K - $5K).

Let's also say Tayo's wife has no assets and no debt, because she simply let Tayo manage all the finances and pooled all her existing assets with Tayo's as soon as they were married.

If Tayo lives in a no fault divorce state, there's a good chance they split everything right down the middle to one extent or another if the divorce proceedings go to a judge (that is, Tayo and the former Mrs. aren't able to reach an agreement of their own accord first).

So, that $50K gets split down the middle - chances are, Tayo retains full ownership in his business, because judges usually prefer to keep businesses assets with the individuals who are managing them (unless your ex-wife also played a significant ongoing or founding role in Tayo Itd.; then it might be more complex), so you'd end up owing half of your total $50K assets to your ex-wife, or $25K.

In this case, she would NOT get the house, because the house is owned by the corporation, and you own only a small stake in the corporation. The only thing she can potentially get is your portion of the stake in the corporation, and even then that's unlikely - you're more likely to have to pay her in cash / savings / retirement accounts. Now, if Tayo Sr. decided to divorce Tayo's mom, then you might be looking at a real scenario where one or the other partner gets the house - Tayo Itd. may well have to sell off the house in order to properly split the assets between Tayo Sr. and Tayo's mom (or maybe just transfer the house out of the corporation, which is owned by Tayo's mom, to Tayo Sr.; or, alternately, Tayo Sr. gets a stake in the company if he was involved in it and prefers that to a liquid asset).

The best way of avoiding all of this is to place any assets you do not want to lose in divorce into a trust fund prior to marriage. In this case, you no longer own anything. This is the safest way of protecting assets you do not want to lose in marriage. You can also sign a pre-nuptial agreement in advance, but these are trickier and easier to be overruled in court on technicalities.

You can do the "family member owns most of the asset" thing like you're inquiring about here, but make sure you trust that family member (your mother's probably a safe bet)... you don't want to run into a "Well too bad, it's mine now!" situation... and also, keep in mind that when she passes on, which she'll probably do a few decades ahead of you because she's older than you, if her will isn't properly set up that asset you had her guarding may well be divided among multiple heirs, and if your country has a death tax in place you may be paying a heavy fee simply to retain possession of what was actually "yours" all along, as the ownership transfers from deceased mother to non-deceased you.

I'd recommend the trust over anything. A basic trust costs about $2,000 / year to run (you're paying the lawyer to maintain it), which if you have assets worth or generating anything over, say, $200K annually for instance, is probably a smart bet, even if you're about to marry a great gal you have a fantastic relationship with. Better safe than sorry.

Chase
 

Tim Iron

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thanks Chase.... trusts would help protect assets before marriage... while it seems that Tayo ltd can help protect assets that I get after marriage (I just have to make sure that no hiccups happens).

PS: please all GirlsChase forum members should seriously think about doing something like this so that no woman has the potential to screw you in a divorce...
 

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Tayo said:
thanks Chase.... trusts would help protect assets before marriage... while it seems that Tayo ltd can help protect assets that I get after marriage (I just have to make sure that no hiccups happens).

Worth bearing in mind that if you own things before marriage, then move them over after marriage, you're gambling she won't hire a private investigator or is able to get her hands on your previous financial documents, because if she can find evidence you owned the home yourself at the time of marriage, then donated it for free or for a firesale price to your company you lack a substantial ownership stake in, she can make the argument that you merely did this to guard against her getting her 'fair share' of these assets in the event of a divorce.

Alternately, if you use the corporation's money to purchase the home after marriage and simply list living there in the home as a 'living allowance', you're probably in the clear and she'll have a much harder time justifying to a court why she should be given a large stake in that home - she'd have to sue your corporation saying it should've paid you the money so you could buy the home yourself, or something along those lines, and that'd be a difficult case to make.

Chase
 
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Tim Iron

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Thanks man... it is good that you are giving me the worst case scenarios so that I can make sure that I protect myself properly. It is emasculating for a woman to get my house if a divorce ever happens! It is not really "fair share" when i bought the property with my own sweat.

PS: All GirlsChase members, think about doing something like this! Don't struggle, hustle and work hard to make money and buy assets only for one woman to take half of it because she "believes" she is entitled to it when a divorce happens.
 
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